Barack Obama, Anti-Christ?
I’m not the first one to say it, but after recently reading the beginning of the Left Behind series and the entire Christ Clone trilogy, it’s not totally wacky to compare Obama’s rise and public adulation to that of the predicted Anti-Christ’s (at least as described in those books).
February 22nd, 2008 at 2:06 pm
http://www.BarackObamaAntichrist.blogspot.com
I agree, my website has a lot more info on this topic
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Matt - Basel, Switzerland Reply:
July 23rd, 2008 at 11:40 pm
Please, keep up your website. It’s quite interesting, but on the margin of your website there are some doubtful organisations who are speaking out false things about the end times…..the real stuff is only written in the Bible and it needs wisdom from the Holy Ghost to be able to translate it into today’s language. Not all of those self-called prophets ect. are really annointed by God, but also by money or by themselves.
And one thing is for sure: The Antichrist comes in his own name, Jesus the Messiah did not come in his own name. The people of Israel will accept the Antichrist, as predicted, but did not accept Jesus….so if you see how Obama is touring Israel and how the Jews worldwide are approaching O. and his views and putting all their hopes in him, this is really shocking and showing a lot of where people are getting their hopes and beliefs from….not from God definitely, but from a weak human being..
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joyce Reply:
July 26th, 2008 at 9:29 pm
WELL I CANT SAY HE IS OR ISNT,BUT I ALLSO FEEL SOMETHING ABOUT HIM TOO?I DONT TRUST HIM,HOWEVER WHO CAN YOU TRUST IN THIS TIME OF TROUBLE WERE HAVING.JOYCE
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March 5th, 2008 at 6:34 pm
I do not follow the president race, I never have. I am, however, a Christian. I was flipping through the channels on my tv, when I came across one of the debates of Ms. Clinton and Mr Obama. For some strange reason, I started to listen. I had been listening for maybe 5 minutes, when the most horrible feeling came across me. At the time I really couldn’t put a finger on why I was feeling this way. After a few minutes more I understood what the problem was. I believe Mr. Obama is the anti-christ. I know people will think I am a complete nut, for thinking this. I dicided to get on the computer and find out all I could about Mr. Obama. That is when I saw the others who believe like I do. I hate to say anything negitive about a person. I have always been taught there is good in all people, and I have always lived my life in looking for that good. No matter how much I try to find good in Mr. Obama, I can’t shake the feeling that he is something really bad. It scares me more then words can express to know what I believe this man is capiable of. I have prayed about this many hours since I have thought this horrible thought. After many hours of prayers, I believe that if Mr. Obama is the antichrist, there is really nothing anyone can do about this. As a Christian, I believe this is God’s plan for the world, as He states in Revelatons. I do pray for all the lost souls who will follow this man into the pits of hell. I pray that the Lord will open there eyes to see the deception in Mr. Obama. More then anything, if Mr. Obama isn’t the antichrist, then Lord please forgive me for falsly accusing my fellow man of this.
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TwistedFire Reply:
July 17th, 2008 at 1:14 pm
Have you ever heard of the term PIOUS FRAUD..? How about the fact that the mosques have Obama for President on them? How about the fact that the bible says Christians will be persecuted in the end times by having their heads cut off??? He hates America that is evident.
What is so great about this guy? Are white people so guilt ridden by what black people tell them they are going to vote for him just to prove they are not racist?? PATHETIC!
Thats another thing… howcome its ok for black people to stereotype all white people saying they are all racist and all had something to do with slavery… ? Did Lincoln fight all the evil white people by himself? My grandmother was a spy in Germany for America helping them take down Hitler.. why should I feel guilty about my skin color!? OH YEAH IM NOT!
I am sick of racism against white skin! Kiss my pale butt you entitlement LOSERS!
Why dont these drug dealers living in the hood buy themselves an RV instead of Cadillac Escalade and move out of the hood?? Ever heard of birth control?
SO many ignorant, manipulated, naive, PATHETIC MORONS in this country!
Protect America SUPPORT THE NRA!! & DONT VOTE DEMOCRAT WHATEVER YOU DO! They are the greedy, they want to justify everyones sins and make us all pay to ensure they can continue to sin, instead of just letting people live freely.. GO TO HELL LIBERALS
Pelosi you better stay far away from me lady! You and the Obama’s are at the top of my SH%T list!
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Walrus or Eggman? Reply:
July 21st, 2008 at 1:54 am
Well, TwistedFire is certainly an appropriate name.
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Nichole Reply:
July 26th, 2008 at 1:40 pm
lol, I agree :) seriously lmao!!
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harebear Reply:
July 21st, 2008 at 10:08 pm
i believe the idea behind being liberal IS to let everyone live freely…
read the bible, it does not list specific attributes that the anitchrist will have such as age or religion and whatnot.
freedom of expression-if obama doesn’t want to wear an american flag, then he doesn’t have to. it’s his RIGHT!!! i know people who don’t salute the flag or say the pledge for religious reasons. it’s the same either way.
freedom of religion-who cares if obama is muslim, jewish, agnostic, wiccan or any other religion. while the founding fathers may have founded this country based on christian principles, they also came here to escape religious persecution and hoped to prevent persecution for future generations. the fact is that he is not muslim but it wouldn’t matter if he was.
jesus taught people not to judge. he taught them to love and show compassion for other people. obvioulsy some “christians” don’t fallow jesus’ teachings as much as they think they do. take a step back, think things through. saying hateful things doesn’t make the world we live in any better.
and also, you can’t run with and serve a president that you didn’t agree with. so, i will NOT be voting for cheney.
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harebear Reply:
July 22nd, 2008 at 8:53 am
opps…i meant to say mccain…i feel like a moron now.
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realism Reply:
July 24th, 2008 at 8:28 am
Don’t you think that the “leader” of our country should at least know how many states there are in the USA??, be proud of being an American?? enough to at least display he believes in the USA??? I am not much for candidates’ promises as it rarely seems to be what actually takes place after one is elected however, the leader of our great nation should at the very least know there are 50 states. I am not very happy about our choices in this Presidential election but I would vote for “Bullwinkle or Rocky” before I vote for Obama. My reasons go far beyond his ignorance of our country and has nothing to do with his race or religion. He is just way too unpredictable and that scares the crap out of me.
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DoorFrame Reply:
July 24th, 2008 at 8:38 am
Huh? What leads you to believe that Obama doesn’t know how many states there are?
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realism Reply:
July 24th, 2008 at 9:34 am
Check it out….
http://www.reuters.com/news/video?videoId=82127
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TIERNY Reply:
July 24th, 2008 at 11:42 am
This is exactly WHY he should not be President of the US. Come on, 57 states. Now even I am smart enough to realize this probably was taken out of context and he may have been referencing how many states total he has been to….but….the bottom line is…he grew up in Indonesia!!!! Read his books. Read what he wrote in his own words. All the little things that American children are taught (were taught) in school, he cannot understand, because while we were learning the “Pledge of Allegiance”, he was reading the Koran, by his own words in his book!
DoorFrame Reply:
July 24th, 2008 at 9:43 pm
That’s cute. He obviously meant 47, but it’s cute. I cut Obama some slack on that, and I cut McCain some slack on the Czech Republic and the whole Iraq/Pakistan thing.
These are human beings that make minor verbal mistakes now and then. I can accept a few of them from anybody.
TIERNY Reply:
July 24th, 2008 at 11:52 am
Obama’a Book – Dreams of My Father
Koran class: In his autobiography, Dreams of My Father, Obama relates how he got into trouble for making faces during Koranic studies, thereby revealing he was a Muslim, for Indonesian students in his day attended religious classes according to their faith. Indeed, Obama still retains knowledge from that class: Nicholas D. Kristof of the New York Times, reports that Obama “recalled the opening lines of the Arabic call to prayer, reciting them [to Kristof] with a first-rate accent.”
Mosque attendance: Obama’s half-sister recalled that the family attended the mosque “for big communal events.” Watson learned from childhood friends that “Obama sometimes went to Friday prayers at the local mosque.” Barker found that “Obama occasionally followed his stepfather to the mosque for Friday prayers.” One Indonesia friend, Zulfin Adi, states that Obama “was Muslim. He went to the mosque. I remember him wearing a sarong” (a garment associated with Muslims).
Piety: Obama himself says that while living in Indonesia, a Muslim country, he “didn’t practice [Islam],” implicitly acknowledging a Muslim identity. Indonesians differ in their memories of him. One, Rony Amir, describes Obama as “previously quite religious in Islam.”
Obama’s having been born and raised a Muslim and having left the faith to become a Christian make him neither more nor less qualified to become president of the United States. But if he was born and raised a Muslim and is now hiding that fact, this points to a major deceit, a fundamental misrepresentation about himself that has profound implications about his character and his suitability as president.
Major Deceit, who is the Master of Deceit and Lies……..His Father??????
When I say his father…..I am obviously referring to Satan!
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Crispy M W H C Reply:
July 24th, 2008 at 3:04 pm
Tierny: This is exactly WHY he should not be President of the US. Come on, 57 states. Now even I am smart enough to realize this probably was taken out of context and he may have been referencing how many states total he has been to….but….the bottom line is…he grew up in Indonesia!!!!
Well, he was obiviously born here. Otherwise he couldn’t run in the first place. So he grew up somewhere else. Big deal. All the more reason that he’d make a better president; he understands that some places just run differently than America.
Tierny: Read his books. Read what he wrote in his own words. All the little things that American children are taught (were taught) in school, he cannot understand, because while we were learning the “Pledge of Allegiance”, he was reading the Koran, by his own words in his book!
I’m sure there are Muslims in this country who read the Koran and say the Pledge. The two don’t have to be mutually exclusive. Would it be better if you found out he learned from the Bible? The answer is probably yes for you, but for me, it’s wrong either way. Koran, Bible, it’s all fiction. And basing the future of a country on religious fairy-tales is NOT the way to go.
Also, check and see where America stands in schooling, aside from college rankings. I’m pretty sure we’ve got the lowest standings of any first world country on the planet.
realism Reply:
July 24th, 2008 at 1:00 pm
In addition you may want to check out Rev. Wright’s sermons. Obama was a member of the Trinity Church for something like 20 years and Obama called Rev. Wright his spiritual advisor in the beginning of his Presidential campaign. Now that Rev. Wright’s interviews with press and his videotaped sermons have become more public, Obama decided to quit the church which is obviously due to bad publicity and hurting his campaign.
In one sermone Rev. Wright says….”God damn America”.
I do not make these comments in reference to “religion” but rather to hopefully encourage people like yourself to research and see first hand what kind of person you may be voting for. Check out and watch tons of videos of Obama speaking as well as the church he belonged to for many many years until recently. Read about how he backed his cousin in Kenya to take over and make it a place where one can no longer choose his/her religion. Make an informed decision…be sure you watch videos where Obama himself speaks and not the ones that individuals have made up. You need to get the absolute truth.
The more you see and hear from Obama’s own mouth and watch over the past year how many ideals he has changed the more you may see that he IS a politician but with some kind of “hold” on people that just they can’t see the “forest through the trees”. He is charismatic but seems to say what people want to hear, then changing it when the polls show a drop.
This will be a VERY important election for ALL Americans (black, white, hispanic, indian)….basically all who are human.
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Crispy M W H C Reply:
July 24th, 2008 at 2:33 pm
To be honest, I find those who think America is absolutly perfect to be the least patriotic of it’s citizens. Patriotism, in my opinion, isn’t a rank and file, “say this and do this or your a Pinko-Commie-Muslim-Radical blah blah blah”.
You mean to tell me you haven’t looked at the injustices of this government the last eight years, haven’t looked at the poverty, the middle class struggling to STAY a middle class without falling into aformentioned poverty, the few rich people getting far more rich, and all the other problems around us… and you’ve never even THOUGHT “Damn America”? Doubt it. I know I have.
Patriotism is a process, a want to constantly improve one’s country, not just blindly professing love, saluting as it sinks like the Titanic. The current administration caused this decline. Obama is the man to fix it.
Chainsaw Reply:
July 27th, 2008 at 7:20 am
It is intereseting that those who spout off the loudest about others being judgmental are often the most judgmental. You wrote:
“jesus taught people not to judge. he taught them to love and show compassion for other people. obvioulsy some “christians” don’t fallow jesus’ teachings as much as they think they do. take a step back, think things through. saying hateful things doesn’t make the world we live in any better.”
“Obviously” some people don’t recognize when they are pointing fingers. “Obviously” some people are blind to their own prejudices. “Obviously” some people are not as aware of what is so obvious. I suggest you take a step back and think things through. Saying hateful things can be passive as well as agressive. Stupid is as stupid is.
Oh! By the way, –> “i will NOT be voting for cheney.” Dick Cheney isn’t running.
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Crispy M W H C Reply:
July 24th, 2008 at 6:57 am
…Holy crap.
I almost don’t know where to start. I’m gonna have to split this one into parts. =)
TF: Have you ever heard of the term PIOUS FRAUD..?
I have, but I don’t see where your going with it.
TF: How about the fact that the mosques have Obama for President on them?
OH TEH NOEZ MUSLUMZ IS LIKIN OBAMA!!! Calm down. They kinda have a vested interest in how this election ends up. When a country like the U.S. invades another country and stays there for almost a full two terms of the president that decided to invade said country, they’d want the guy that would get the troops out. Obama’s that guy.
TF: How about the fact that the bible says Christians will be persecuted in the end times by having their heads cut off???
…Kinda tells you something about the Bible, eh, chief?
TF: He hates America that is evident.
I’m not even gonna take a swing at this softball.
TF: What is so great about this guy? Are white people so guilt ridden by what black people tell them they are going to vote for him just to prove they are not racist?? PATHETIC!
Well, I’ve heard this more than once, living in a small, and mostly white, town. And it still doesn’t fail to disappoint me. Ever think that there are some people that, you know, vote based purely on what the candidates have been talking about? The economy? Foriegn policy? The housing situation? Any of these ringing a bell? Obama’s running a better campaign right now. End of story. Don’t lump in every white person that votes for Obama as someone trying to prove they’re not racist. Because, you know… that would be something we like to call… a stereotype. Kinda like the thing your trying to complain about. ;)
TF: Thats another thing… howcome its ok for black people to stereotype all white people saying they are all racist and all had something to do with slavery… ? Did Lincoln fight all the evil white people by himself?
It’s not ok for those that do stereotype to do so. At all. But it happens. Human nature. Deal with it, move on, it’s all gonna be ok.
TF: My grandmother was a spy in Germany for America helping them take down Hitler.. why should I feel guilty about my skin color!? OH YEAH IM NOT!
1. Who’s “them”?
2. No one’s asking you to feel guilty about anything.
3. This has nothing to do with anything your post is supposed to be about AT ALL.
TF: I am sick of racism against white skin! Kiss my pale butt you entitlement LOSERS!
Sometimes the things you say hurt my brain. If by entitlement, you mean repairations, (and who knows if you do, I’m having enough trouble following this inane rant) my usual response to someone who’s actually being serious about it is that I’d pay repairations to someone as soon as England paid me repairations for the times they enslaved the Irish.
TF: Why dont these drug dealers living in the hood buy themselves an RV instead of Cadillac Escalade and move out of the hood?? Ever heard of birth control?
Ohhhhkay. First of all, drug dealers and birth control have zero in common.
Secondly, drug dealers wouldn’t move out of the hood because the majority of the drugs they sell are sold to people in the hood. Business 101: Location, location, location.
TF: SO many ignorant, manipulated, naive, PATHETIC MORONS in this country!
This I can get behind. There are many of these kind people in this country. It just so happens I’m writing a reply to one of them right n… oh, sorry.
TF: Protect America SUPPORT THE NRA!! & DONT VOTE DEMOCRAT WHATEVER YOU DO! They are the greedy, they want to justify everyones sins and make us all pay to ensure they can continue to sin, instead of just letting people live freely.. GO TO HELL LIBERALS
People who are “sinning” are living freely, and you have no right to stop them. As for Democrats being greedy, I’m pretty sure they are the ones who start helpful inititives for the poor, destitute, uneducated folks in this country who need a hand, as apposed to the unregulated money managment systems and big corporations of Republicans.
TF: Pelosi you better stay far away from me lady! You and the Obama’s are at the top of my SH%T list!
And to top it off, a threat of violence? Geeze Louise. You’ve got issues, man.
Now that I’ve thoroughly speared your argument, I must return to other parts of the interwebs. There might be more of your sort lurking about.
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Nichole Reply:
July 26th, 2008 at 1:50 pm
great replies! ;) All I could do was shake my head……….I was at a complete loss. lol.
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Chainsaw Reply:
July 27th, 2008 at 7:30 am
Dude! I’m wiping my eyes right now. No, really, I am. Loved it! Hunt on.
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rg Reply:
July 25th, 2008 at 9:02 am
Holy @#$! You are pretty angry. Am I the only one here who feels that you have total traditional christian values. Yick.
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Captain Bub Reply:
July 25th, 2008 at 12:57 pm
Should Osama-Obama be elected this year (and I think he just might), my fellow brothers and sisters (you know who you are) need to be prepared to lock-and-load. Be sure to have NATO class ammunition (5.56, 7.62) at the ready for your long guns and properly stored. If you don’t already own a rifle, BUY ONE before the ban comes (unless you live in California, in which case you are already screwed!). AR-15’s are certainly handy as well as anything in 7.62 with a good scope. Single or three-point slings are handy for CQC operations. I recommend a minimum of 10K rounds for each caliber weapon owned for starters if not much, much more. Be sure to have your side arms at the ready as well as a good, reliable, sharp tactical knife. Get to your local shooting range and practice, practice, practice….you may need it soon. Maintain your weapons so that they are always at the ready state!
Stock up on MRE’s for your families before there is a run on them. Get your water purification systems/tablets ready to go. Gas masks and CBC suits are certainly a plus. Be sure to stock up on bandages and all kinds of medicines. Batteries, tactical flashlights, shaker type flash lights, 2-way radios and short-band radios. Get your survival guides out and have them at the ready. Let’s rock!
Prepare to defend the Constitution of the United States of America! Just in case Osama-Obama skips out on his oath of office to do so.
Hoo-Ahh!
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Nichole Reply:
July 26th, 2008 at 1:51 pm
yeah, except it is McCAiN you need to defend the constitution from.
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kay Reply:
July 24th, 2008 at 9:18 pm
This may sound weird to some but to others who are like me a Christian. I think you are all right to think this maybe the antichrist. I didn’t even add up 2 and 2 about it being possible until my husband brought it up to me that he maybe is. I have had this fear in my heart for awhile now that something is going to happen. To those who believe I think it is almost time to go home. Pray for those who don’t believe and try to get them to see past the vail before we are gone and can’t help them anymore. Enjoy everyday as if it is the last for someday with all it will be.
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Matt - Basel Reply:
July 25th, 2008 at 12:23 pm
Hi Kay,
don’t be afraid. The Antichrist obviously has become an important issue in this time, but, the most important thing at the very present moment is, to teach people about the way God wants to save them by giving them eternal life through believing and accepting Jesus into their lives.
We should more focus on that instead of trying to fond out who’s the Antichrist. And what, if Obama is not him? What, if another guy, e.g. Sarkozy would be it? Or even another one who still has to appear?
Jesus told us to act until HE comes back. Acting in His meaning means: teach the Gospel and teach others to repent from sins and bring their lives in order with God by believing in Christ Jesus, the eternal Messiah!
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March 6th, 2008 at 11:12 am
this is fantastic!
“i admit that i am ignorant and have never cared about politics. but when i saw obama on television, i stopped to listen to him for some reason. THIS OBVIOUSLY MUST MEAN HE IS SOME KIND OF FICTIONAL FIGMENT OF EVIL, INSTEAD OF, SAY, AN INTELLIGENT AND CHARISMATIC PERSON THAT MAKES ME INTERESTED IN IMPROVING MY NATION’S GOVERNMENT.”
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March 6th, 2008 at 11:14 am
“I can’t shake the feeling that he is something really bad.”
“something really bad”? … you mean “black?” i can see how you might be worried about that.
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TwistedFire Reply:
July 17th, 2008 at 1:16 pm
Convenient response, couldnt be valid if he is black. THere are no evil black peolple didnt you know.. just like O.J.
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March 6th, 2008 at 11:15 am
“It scares me more then words can express to know what I believe this man is capiable of.”
hmmm. do you think he might be capable of a) allowing 2 planes to fly into 2 very large buildings, killing thousands, even though he had reports about it in advance, or b) lying to the american people and their government about a foreign dictator so that he could start a costly war, sending countless americans to their deaths, but making a SHITLOAD of money for his rich, old, white friends who own military contracting companies?
which would say he is more (or less) capable of?
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cyle Reply:
July 17th, 2008 at 12:57 pm
hmmm. do you think he might be capable of a) allowing 2 planes to fly into 2 very large buildings, killing thousands, even though he had reports about it in advance, or b) lying to the american people and their government about a foreign dictator so that he could start a costly war, sending countless americans to their deaths, but making a SHITLOAD of money for his rich, old, white friends who own military contracting companies?
Who are these old rich white friends you speak of???
and what contracting companies do you speak of????
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Walrus or Eggman? Reply:
July 21st, 2008 at 1:59 am
Well, there’s KBR, a subsidiary of Halliburton, that’s been poisoning and electrocuting our soldiers and then “misplacing” millions of dollars, for one. I suggest you use “the Google”.
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March 6th, 2008 at 11:32 am
“I do not follow the president race, I never have. I am, however, a Christian.”
I find this statement to be the greatest on-point illustration of the largest problem with our American social attitude. How we can a social majority of this country be more concerned with a potentially fabricated non-topical “spiritual leader”, but have zero concern for the actual individual who will be serving as our Commander in Chief for the next four years? Observe how that kind of attitude has affected our country for the past eight years…
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Crispy M W H C Reply:
July 24th, 2008 at 6:06 am
Agreed.
On that topic, allowing religion to guide the course of a political administration is a terrible thing. So many people forget that one of the redeeming qualities of this country was the fact that we were (and still are) a country of many peoples, many religions. I fail to see what having faith in the popular God of this country has to do with any of the socioeconomic and foreign policy issues we face.
(And if we’re going to nit-pick, hell, I don’t believe in any God, but at least I know that Iraq and Pakistan don’t border each other. Why would McCain say that? Being such a foreign policy expert, he should at least have noticed that huge hunk of sand called Saudi Arabia between those two countries. =P)
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March 13th, 2008 at 11:02 pm
All of the facts that have been presented to me lead me to one conclusion. You so called “Christians” are a bunch of xenophobic bigots. If we are going to look at a man and judge him because of his race and the religion he was supposedly raised under, then the last 30 years of fighting for equality of man have been in vain. Any Christian – in my book – would not use these prejudices to measure the man. They would rather ‘judge’ the strength of his character as determined by the deeds he has done.
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TwistedFire Reply:
July 17th, 2008 at 1:23 pm
Christians merely want to protect the very foundation that protects all others right to individual freedoms.. you idiot! If you knew anything about Jesus or the Bible you would be able to understand that it is not a condemning book or man, it is all accepting, in support of FREE WILL!
God doesnt even want you to be persecuted in your decision to love him or not! If our President doesnt understand what our forefathers did… we will be SCREWED.
People that have to work long hours, dont always have the time or emotional strength to stay involved in the “politicing” so they choose to support those that they feel understands what needs to be protected most.
Its not racist, its not condemning, its seeking out who our creator would want elected based on morals.. whats wrong with morals.. Only liberals have issues with Morals, makes it an easy choice in this election!
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Hermes Reply:
July 18th, 2008 at 6:35 am
I would interject to say that many “liberals” are more moderate and often quite “libertarian” in their view of what to do in a world of self-interest. Having been born into a secular nation founded upon principles that are commonly espoused by most religions, I cannot force my religious views on anyone; and NEITHER DID Jesus—Who served all mankind by obeying His Father in Heaven—even unto His death and was thus given Resurrection to Eternal Life as Lord and Savior of ALL.
Herein lies the error of both the LOONEY LEFT and the SELF-RIGHTEOUS RIGHT—as they pursue an agenda of repaying their wealthy contributors by granting tax advantages to various “think tanks” that dovetail recommendations in national and foreign affairs. Now, with the war on terror having us all looking under our beds and in our closets for any evidence of wrong-doing, we have become our own worst enemy.
But this all began when (and actually long before) we bombed Japan—becoming the first and only nation to use a nuclear device in anger—though some may feel remorse over the course of history. Since then we have taken a “leadership” role in foreign affairs that has ultimately turned the common people of other lands against US! Imagine that!!
We are merely about to reap that which we have sown in our desire to own the title of:
THE GREATEST NATION ON EARTH!!!
It is bound to be a BUMPER CROP of pain and suffering.
We the people have been very poorly served indeed by both the “left it somewhere—out there” and the “might makes right (for the uptight)”. But “uprightly and uptightly”, we stand by our convictions in spite of the loss of a measure of sanity in a world of vanity.
Get ready to feel the kind of pain you may wish upon others in vain because:
“What goes around comes around” (and it often comes from the “blind side”).
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Walrus or Eggman? Reply:
July 21st, 2008 at 2:04 am
The Christian in White House right now has been taking away others’ right to individual freedoms. Thank God the Bible isn’t condemning, but accepting, because Lord knows some followers of Christ aren’t. They’re too busy calling everyone who doesn’t agree with them an idiot.
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March 21st, 2008 at 5:22 pm
It’s as unbelievable as it is heart wrenching that in this day and age, where we are able to perform open heart surgery and fly across vast oceans, that our species continues to be as vulnerable to superstition as it was before the invention of the hammer. To apply ancient texts that should be considered nothing more than a window to a past time and distort the already absurd to fit into todays political arena is nothing more than jaw dropping idiocy. In addition, a belief system that encourages distrust of an intelligent, well educated person who wants to bring peace is the real evil in this world. The gullibility of the average human being when it comes to all things supernatural is (i hope) only a hiccup in the intellectual growth of our species. anti-christ? left behind series? Use some reason and stop attempting to rationalize the absurd, i mean what the…..nevermind.
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March 24th, 2008 at 10:08 am
I don’t think the notion of Barak Obama as the anti-Christ is out of the realm of possibility. The times seem ripe for such a person to enter the stage of history and be accepted as a long-awaited “messiah” who will bring solutions to the problems of the world. The anti-Christ will be someone that is charismatic and his message will be persuasive, as he will deceive through half truths. However, the big question remains” Will the anti-Christ know that he is the anti-Christ? We know that he will be a human being used by demonic forces to deceive society into a Christianity devoid of supernatural realities, and offer a “Christianity” separated from the cross and the divine person of Jesus Christ. We already see this happening in the hyper-secularization of society that has engulfed Europe and now taking a stronghold in America. For all of you expecting the anti-Christ, it will be someone you least expect. Many expected the Christ to be a great military and political figure, instead he was the humble carpenter living amongst the people. Likewise, the anti-Christ will be someone with a family, someone that we see on television being interviewed, someone with charisma, likability and most of all, will seem to have solutions to all the problems facing the world.
For the ding-a-lings who think God and the existence of angels and demons is an absurd notion, think again. This world is far more incredible than you could possibly imagine. The naive self-proclaimed “intellectuals” who have swallowed the lie of atheism line-hook-and-sinker, will be among the first to proclaim the anti-Christ as the secular messiah that will further guide them along the path of self-destruction.
Could Barak Obama be the anti-Christ?
Judging by his fanatical stance on abortion, and his opposition to the Born Alive Infant Protection Act (which amounts to infanticide), this would certainly be in line with the mind of an anti-Christ. The Born Alive Infant Protection Act was spearheaded by a nurse who witnessed a victim of a would-be abortion actually come out of his mother’s womb alive. The doctors instructed everyone to leave the child to die.
The nurse who witnessed the incident stated: “Obama articulately worried that legislation protecting live aborted babies might infringe on women’s rights or abortionists’ rights. Obama’s clinical discourse, his lack of mercy, shocked me. I was naive back then. Obama voted against the measure, twice. It ultimately failed.”
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March 24th, 2008 at 1:39 pm
So atheists are the naive ones? Why, because we require evidence to believe in something? Yes, of course our earth and universe are incredibly complex, but to take something that you don’t understand and make a claims about it with no evidence is delusional. Remember we are still in the early stages of intellectual and technological growth. Our species is sill incredibly primitive. The evidence of that cannot be denied. People will continue to pray to the Jesus, Allah, or Buddha or whatever just as they prayed to countless other gods before them. Had you been born in ancient Greece you would be as steadfast about your belief in Apollo, Athena and Ares. What a wonderful coincidence that you happen to believe in the god that happens to be the dominant god in this particular time and place. What are the odds?
You believe in demons and angels correct? Do you also believe in leprechauns and unicorns? How about goblins? There is the same amount of evidence supporting all of the above. none.
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April 2nd, 2008 at 4:56 pm
Hi all,
I think the next page is interesting. It publishes some comments about Obama, aka the Black Pope, and the Antichrist:
http://www.blackpope.info
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April 6th, 2008 at 12:01 am
Gabrielle,
Obama SUPPORTED a law in 2004 that would do much the same thing as the Born-Alive Infact Act, require medical care when an abortion results in a live birth. The difference was that the law did not contain language defining a fetus from conception on as a person, which would have had the affect of making all abortion illegal.
He supported the medical care for live infants. He just didn’t support the back-door attempt to ban all abortions that was also included in the bill.
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April 17th, 2008 at 4:18 am
parang anti christ nga siya, kASI ayaw niya ng word of GOd! ang ibig lang naman kasing sabihin ng atin ay kalaban ni Kristo, at kapag kalaban ni kristo ibig sabihin anti
christ! nawa wag magt supper ang america sa kanilang desisyon..
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April 17th, 2008 at 4:20 am
matigas naman kasi ulo ng mga amerikano, kaya hayan bibigyan sila ng presidente na gusto nila pero sa bandang huli ito ang magdadala sa kanila sa lahat ng uri ng kabuktutan, huwag naman sana, pero hindi magaling na presidente ang kailangan ng amerika, kundi ang kanilang pananunumbalik sa pundasyon ng kanilang pinagmulan ang banal na kasulatan!
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April 18th, 2008 at 4:03 pm
I am not a crazy right wing republican I am not a racist. I would vote for a black man just not this black man. I also had the same experiance the first time I really listened to Obama and his followers. I belive him to be a very bad man who plays his carisma to avoid dealing with reality. I don’t know if he is the anti crist but I believe is he bad for our country. Remember when Adolf Hitler took power in Germany he was not preaching racism and overthrow of the government, he was preaching change and financial improvements.
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Sue Reply:
July 26th, 2008 at 9:33 pm
add on to your list, Castro, Chavez,Hitler, Stalin. Oh, by the way they all have the # 6 6 6, Coincidence?
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April 18th, 2008 at 4:04 pm
… and racism.
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April 18th, 2008 at 4:42 pm
nomadj
I’m sorry to say, you’re a paranoid ignorant buffoon.
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Henro Reply:
July 20th, 2008 at 11:37 am
Why are you sorry to say that? Just wondering.
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April 22nd, 2008 at 5:05 pm
orlando, I will not argue with you or call names. You have the right to disagree with me just as I have right to disagree with you. Be peaceful hope that the things you believe to be true are actually true, and have a backup plan for when they are not.
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April 22nd, 2008 at 5:14 pm
Your attempt to sound enlightened is unimpressive at best. I do not require hope, I require reason and logic.
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April 23rd, 2008 at 5:45 pm
i don’t know if obama is the anti-christ, but i do however believe he has something to do with leading up to the anti-christ coming forward. but the main thing i would like to say to all of the athiest… ONE DAY YOU WILL BOW DOWN AND PROFESS THAT JESUS IS THE SON OF GOD. THAT IS A FACT. everyone needs to read the bible, and get saved, that is the only way by the grace of Jesus Christ.
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April 29th, 2008 at 9:19 pm
B.H. Obama is the anti-christ…soon all will see
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April 29th, 2008 at 9:39 pm
truth be told truthbetold, morons like you have been predicting supernatural events since the beginning of time. “soon all will see” LOL you watch too many stupid movies.
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Henro Reply:
July 20th, 2008 at 11:40 am
……And they were laughing and dancing and partying right up until the time the floods came. Better invest in a life jacket my friend!
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May 13th, 2008 at 5:30 am
It seems that there is something in his mind. he is not an ordinary one. see Putin is back to Cremlin.Obama could become next prez of US.Putin is anti Isaeli.Obama wants to talk to Iran, Hamas,hisbollah and all terrorists. He said it is wisdom to talk to the enemies.H ehas some other intension. Food crisis,Natural calamity,Power shifting,US economy recession etc…happening now. all these indicates the end is soon.
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May 13th, 2008 at 11:48 am
good. i’m tired of paying bills. BRING ON ARMAGEDDON!
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May 18th, 2008 at 4:58 am
Suh-weet Jesus! The blind faith, lack of logic or cognitive thought process and complete lack of knowledge about history that you ‘believers’ and ‘Christians’ exhibit!
Right, no one knew what Hitler was doing…if he’d only written a manifesto about it first, as a clue…hey, he could have called it something like ‘Mein Kampf’! Maybe he could have written something like “All who are not of good race in this world are chaff.” to let us know he was a racist. Oh, wait, he did. But everyone was so stupid and so scared and so mired in prophesy and spirituality that they didn’t read it and, instead, justified their actions and followed an nut into war. Hard to believe that could happen, but then it happened again in 2001.
And for the Christians out there…there’s a book you should read and take to heart. It has great quotes in it like…”Judge not, that you be not judged. For with the judgment that you pronounce you will be judged, and the measure you give will be the measure you get. Why do you see the speck that is in your brother’s eye, but do not notice the log that is in your own eye? Or how can you say to your brother, “Let me take the speck out of your eye,” when there is the log in your own eye? You hypocrite, first take the log out of your own eye, and then you will see clearly to take the speck out of your brother’s eye.” Words to live by, don’t you think?
As for those indications…food crisis, recession, etc…that the ‘end is soon’…maybe they’re just indications you shouldn’t have voted for Bush.
I love that you guys are looking for evil when we’ve already been governed by it for the last 7 years. Do you stand in a pile of manure wondering what smells and then blame it on the next person to come along or do you blame it on herd that just left? Yeah, I know. You think that’s a trick question and you’re going to ‘pray on it’. Christ!
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May 18th, 2008 at 9:49 pm
i beleave this man vary well could be the anti-christ it fits in place hes from the middle east back ground and are time is running out here on earth as we know it this are bad and only going to get worset keep your faith in christ jesus and pray at all times and be ready for anything and know god is lord
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harebear Reply:
July 22nd, 2008 at 9:08 am
look in the bible where is says the anitchrist will come from the middle east and THEN talk about your beliefs…
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May 19th, 2008 at 12:33 am
Everyone needs to go watch a free movie called zeitgeist. Revelation is history repeating itself. Anti-christ is the old age being swept away like in old testement. Our planet can only handle around 500,000,000 people. If you dont believe me ratio us to other mammals our size. By the four horseman our world will be cleansed. Unless we change our childrens belief in reality. And form a new promised aeon.
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May 19th, 2008 at 1:02 am
Kathy, Obama is not from the Middle East. He is AMERICAN. That’s why he can run for president….DOH! His father was Kenyan…that’s in Africa…in the south….not the middle east….DOH! I won’t even go into your atrocious spelling…DOH! Seems there are a lot of prayers around here wasted on not asking for a brain. But it’s illuminating. I never knew so many crazies could afford internet connections…unless…are you those creepy looking people at the library?
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Henro Reply:
July 20th, 2008 at 11:43 am
Um, if his father were the first man on earth, and you could stop right there and say that Obama evolved from Kenya, then we could buy what you’re selling. However, if you look a little deeper, he does have roots and ties to the middle east. Look a little harder before you buy what the liberal media is selling you.
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Walrus or Eggman? Reply:
July 20th, 2008 at 5:11 pm
First of all, Kathy said he was FROM the Middle East, which he is not. We were not discussing “roots or ties”. Second, it is not from the “liberal media” (good to know you have no bias), but from every website that I have visited when I googled ‘Barack Obama’ to check for myself, that my information comes. That, Henro, is how I get my information….by research of multiple sources. Jumping to conclusions never benefits anyone, including yourself.
If we are arguing descent from the first man…well, no one knows for sure EXACTLY where the first man appeared. Judeo-Christians believe in the Garden of Eden, which most place by the Tigris/Euprates basin. That would make the origin Babylonian (modern Iraq) or Turkish (the headwaters of the Tigris and Euphrates originate there) or Sumerian (Eden is believed by some to be ‘Edin’) and that would put it closer to or in Bahrain (or possibly Iran if you go with the ‘west of the rivers’ theory), so your Kenyan argument would be off by quite a few miles and countries and would give us all Middle Eastern “ties and roots”. The only postulated African origin of which I am aware is Ethiopia, which is north of Kenya, but certainly closer than all the other possibilities.
If we are arguing evolution, then you’d have to tell me how far back on the evolutionary ladder you’d like to go. First ape? First micro-organism? First meteor strike? Big Bang?
Now, pray tell, besides visiting Pakistan, etc, what are these Middle Eastern “roots and ties” of which you speak?
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May 20th, 2008 at 1:00 pm
“are time is running out here on earth”
I agree holeheartedly.
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People in this thread need a healthy dose of Buddhism.
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May 26th, 2008 at 8:46 am
I am/was one of the biggest Obama supporters. So before you naturally assume these comments are racially motivated realize he is half white as well. The anti christ is said to be someone who is very charismatic who rises to power out of nowhere and promises to bring peace to all and he will initially. However he is the great deciever. Anyone who knows the least little bit of bible prophecy would know that because of the geographical region the anti christ is to come from that he would not be a white guy, just as Jesus was not a white guy.
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harebear Reply:
July 22nd, 2008 at 9:17 am
THERE IS NO GEOGRAPHICAL REGION!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! I REALLY WISH YOU PEOPLE WOULD READ THE BOOK YOU SAY YOU LIVE BY!!!
i’m just frustrated with people (family included) who don’t learn about the world we live in, who don’t research anything, who don’t participate in our government at all other than swearing that they won’t vote for obama because he’s black or “muslim” or whatever.
if you don’t want to vote for someone, make that decision based on what their political views are. not because of rumors you heard for other people just like you.
also, of course this world is coming to an end. everything must!!! we don’t know when where why how FOR SURE and we probably never will. i will not live my life in dread and fear of what is to come. if it happens, it happens. what can i do to stop it??? nothing.
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Matt - Basel, Switzerland Reply:
July 23rd, 2008 at 2:51 pm
If you are a Christian with the connection in your heart to God and His only begotten son, Jesus the Messiah, you would not be afraid of what would come whatsoever. As Christians we have joy, hope and love withing our hearts and as true Christians we are looking out for the second coming of Christ, which will be soon. Jesus gave us clear signs to be here before He would return. But as long as He has’nt come yet, we should just do our proper work in daily routine and deal with our gifts as good as it would be possible.
If I would be American, for sure, I would not vote for Obama, but for McCain. However I do not know, whether McCain would be the better president, but sure he would be the more honest friend of Israel. He most probably would be one of the true friends of Israel. Obama is it not, just pretending. How then could he ask for a Palestinian State besides Israel? This proofs that he’s not willing to accept the truth about Israel and Palestine, that J o r d a n is Palestine!!! Too long we’ve been brainwashed with this BS of a palestinian State which had to be errected so that peace could prevail in the Middle East. There was never a palestinian people nor a palestinian state, but a Jewish people and a Jewish state, which has got a right to be there, undivided and with its capital Jerusalem, undivided as well!
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Matt - Basel, Switzerland Reply:
July 23rd, 2008 at 2:41 pm
There is little written about the Anti-Christ, from where he would come, what skin-colour he would have etc., but it’s enough written about what’s in his heart. Evil! This is what counts, the attitude of heart.
The Anti-Christ must come into a world, which already is anti-christian. And I bet, this is today a fact! Even churches are preaching that there’s no sin and that Jesus would not have resurrected etc. Paul writes in his letters that the spirit of the Anti-Christ is already lingering among the people at his time, and if then, how much more must it be in the today’s world?
If Obama would be the Antichrist or not, that’s not the question. The question would be: does he walk in the ways of the Lord or not? And this question you can answer only clearly, if you know about Obama, his life, his views etc.
However, if I had a look at him on his first appearances for the primary a strange thought came to my heart, that he could be him! And strange enough that so many different people all over are thinking the same….coincidence or just revelation by the most holy God, the God of Israel and His son Jesus? so to warn people? I don’t know, but we’ll know when time is progressing and we see what he’s doing and saying. I’m sure he’ll be elected as the new president of USA. The most important fact for a Christian is that he’s following the ways and teachings of Jesus the Messiah!
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May 27th, 2008 at 1:26 pm
There will never be an anti-christ. It’s a story written by a senile man in a cave. Why are people so susceptible to hocus-pocus? How is it possible that otherwise intelligent people can actually believe this crap?
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Henro Reply:
July 20th, 2008 at 11:45 am
By the way, that senile man in the cave also predicted Adolph Hitler, Napoleon, and 9/11. Pretty smart guy – you should listen to him.
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orlando Reply:
July 23rd, 2008 at 2:32 pm
oh please.
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May 27th, 2008 at 5:37 pm
“…otherwise intelligent people…”? Did you miss the poor spelling, improper grammar, incorrect capitalization, extraneous punctuation and hideously faulty logic? I think you’re giving the “I see the Virgin Mary on my toast” people too much credit.
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Henro Reply:
July 20th, 2008 at 11:47 am
Actually, it was a bagel, not a piece of toast. You realists kill me with your mis-information. Go figure!
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Walrus or Eggman? Reply:
July 21st, 2008 at 1:34 am
Actually it was a grilled cheese sandwich, which I’m going to maintain is more toast than bagel. Your anal retentiveness for correcting the partially correct with the incorrect is fascinating.
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harebear Reply:
July 22nd, 2008 at 9:19 am
walrus or eggman, i think i love you. i agree with everything you’ve posted on here.
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Crispy M W H C Reply:
July 24th, 2008 at 7:24 am
That little back and forth made my morning.
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May 27th, 2008 at 5:40 pm
hehe, you’re probably right.
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May 27th, 2008 at 5:42 pm
Oh and lol @ Brother Jeffrey…I argee wit yew, tooo!
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May 28th, 2008 at 12:54 pm
To orlando, Warus or Eggman,
What if your wrong?
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May 28th, 2008 at 2:18 pm
I can’t seem to ignore your inability to grasp the simple conjunction you+are= you’re.
Anyway.
What if I’m wrong? You believe in the deity that you were indoctrinated to believe in from birth. One of many, but dominant in this and other parts in the world. Had you been born in ancient Greece you would believe in Apollo, Athena, etc with just as much conviction. Had you been in a small village in West Africa you would believe in the Orisha’s dominant there. Tens of thousands of Gods have been worshiped since man was lucid enough to be imaginative and curious. More importantly, those Gods were created by man to fill in the blanks of our knowledge and to alleviate the fear of the unknown. We still do this today. Since you seem to whole heartedly believe in a deity, you open yourself of to many problems, in particular the notion that gods are plausible. Since there are tens of thousands of gods to choose from, the odds that you are wrong are greatly increased while my odds remain reasonable. But to entertain your question even if for a moment, I’m not concerned about being wrong. I know that if there is (that’s a really big is) a God that is supposedlly
infinitely loving, wise and forgiving, I’ll be fine. I highly doubt that it will be the kind of prick that exists in your old testament. And don’t give me that Jesus stuff, if God is all knowing and wise, he would have never had same personality flaws that stupid, uneducated ancient men had. The reason he did have those flaws is because he was CREATED by stupid, sexist, uneducated, ancient men. So what if you’re wrong?
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Henro Reply:
July 20th, 2008 at 11:55 am
Wow – I never thought of it that way. I guess you’re right Orlando. I mean, the nerve of God asking us to have a little faith. I think he has it all wrong. I like your way better – God comes down and waves his hand and destroys a few buildings and people, and then tells everyone that he is God – works a few miracles so idiots like you will believe, and then there would be no room left for doubt. Gee, that sounds like a good plan. Only one problem though – He wants people to believe in him without seeing him, so He could weed out the ones that love him because they believe in Him, from the idiots who subscribe to the “Seeing is believing” mentality. Some folks have it, and sadly, some folks it has to be proven to.
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orlando Reply:
July 20th, 2008 at 12:55 pm
Think about what you’re saying, the long dead ancient men who created this superstitious belief structure knew the importance of providing fail-safes against reasonable arguments within the philosophy. One of which is the fact that “god” cannot and will not ever show himself. So what’s the response to such a claim. Well, as you put it, one must have faith. Well, how convenient. You know, I do not choose to have faith in your god for the same reason you don’t have faith in zues or athena or the juju at the top of the volcano. I just take it one god further than you. If there was actually a book authored by an omniscient, perfect creator of the universe, don’t you think it would be filled with a wisdom beyond our comprehension and not violence, sexism, rape, murder, and basically a count for count rendition of how god helped the Israelites freaking murder men women and children for centuries? Perfect? Real? Faith? I don’t think so. The bible and all other “holy” books are so obviously written by ancient a-holes, I will never understand why people believe any of it. It’s not even an accurate historical account much less a book authored by a perfect being.
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realism Reply:
July 25th, 2008 at 8:55 am
And you know these writings to be inaccurate because YOU were there?? For that fact then all history books, accounts of anything that did not happen right in front of us or to us are all inaccurate and unbelievable.
As you stated earlier….”oh, please”!!!!
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May 28th, 2008 at 2:28 pm
Brian? How do these people find your web page? I mean, really. Have they lost their way and just end up here accidentally to declare Obama the Antichrist?
Unbelievable. They’ll let just any nitwit own a computer.
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May 28th, 2008 at 2:41 pm
Orlando, if you’re going to criticize someone’s your/you’re confusion, you should probably make sure you don’t make pluralizing mistakes (i.e., “Orisha’s”[sic]). Also, wholeheartedly is one word. Also, you misspelled supposedly. Also, what does “that’s a really big is” mean?
If you insist on being a spelling Nazi, it’s best to make sure you’re not also a spelling Jew.
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Henro Reply:
July 20th, 2008 at 11:59 am
He also spelled “Orlando” wrong. Last time I checked, it was spelled I-D-I-O-T.
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orlando Reply:
July 22nd, 2008 at 5:30 pm
wow henro, really? What a brilliant observation from a guy who believes in invisible people.
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May 28th, 2008 at 2:52 pm
You’re right. I should had proof read my comment. Your antisemitism is showing by the way.
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May 28th, 2008 at 2:59 pm
I’ll assume you meant ‘what if YOU’RE wrong’…although we know what is said about assumption… :-P
If I’m wrong and you’re right, then this supposed prophesy occurs anyway and the end of the world is upon us. Isn’t the rapture what all of you are waiting for? So, if you think there is an anti-christ and Barack is he, then you should vote for him to hasten God’s plan.
If I’m right and you’re wrong then I’ve lived without fear and you haven’t. You’ve wasted precious time worrying about whether or not there’s an anti-christ and who it might be and whether or not you or anyone else will get into heaven. You’ve shunned science and the intelligentsia and clung to myth and legend. You’ve set up a scenario in which, if there is no anti-christ and no rapture, man will continue to turn upon man in the name of religion and our precious natural resources will dwindle to nothingness and the planet will become incapable of supporting us.
Haven’t you folks already screwed things up enough by supporting Bush and people like him who say God talks to them (and obviously tells them to kill a lot of people and make habitats unsustainable)? Haven’t we had enough of the raping of children, brought to you courtesy of the ‘men of God’ in the Catholic Church’? Haven’t we had enough of the Crusades, Inquisition, Hitler and Holy Wars? Maybe you should try leaving things to the educated, sensible people for a while and see what happens.
BTW…I do believe that Jesus lived and that he doled out some excellent advice. I wish you ‘believers’ would actually live by his preachings and make the world a better place, instead of continuing to judge people and commit crimes against humanity in the name of God. Do you really think you can do anything you want and still be forgiven your sins just because you believe that Jesus rose from the dead to sit by God and watch it all transpire (possibly snacking on a bowl of chips that have his likeness burnt into them)?
“Forgive them, Father, they know not what they do.” …because they refuse to think…or read…or accept responsibility for what they do…
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Henro Reply:
July 20th, 2008 at 12:08 pm
Um, on the part where you’re discussing the scenario where you’re wrong – After we vote for Obama to hasten God’s plan, you left out the part where you and all you’re liberal secularist buddies get the proverbial pitchfork in the backside. If you’re gonna tell it like it is, then tell it like it is brother. By the way, how’s MY English? Pretty good, huh?
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Henro Reply:
July 20th, 2008 at 12:09 pm
See if you can catch my typo.
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DoorFrame Reply:
July 20th, 2008 at 12:10 pm
Well, you used the phrase “you’re liberal secularist buddies” when you meant “your liberal secularist buddies,” so I would rate your English as somewhat sub-par.
Thanks for asking!
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Walrus or Eggman? Reply:
July 21st, 2008 at 1:31 am
lmao….where do you find all these rude, uncharitable “Christians”, DoorFrame? The ones with grammar issues are especially fun! I tried to get one at Macy’s, but they said they stopped carrying them due to lack of interest.
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May 28th, 2008 at 3:03 pm
you “should had” proofread (also one word) it again. What is antisemitic about my comment?
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May 28th, 2008 at 3:22 pm
The terms spelling or grammar nazi may be apropos for the practice of meticulously critiquing a persons ability to spell or express themsleves correctly. However, to be the focus of such critiques due to mistakes in spelling or grammar does not in any way make you a spelling or grammar Jew. The assumption being that if you are unable to spell or express yourself correctly then you’re the Jew. This simple and unimpressive correlation between Nazi’s and Jews falls extremely short of being witty or funny, and comfortably lays in the realm of your mediocrity. Did I spell that right asshole?
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May 28th, 2008 at 3:33 pm
Dearest Troeltsch –
I hope you know that, not only do you seem to have a Nazi/Jew issue, but that there is a difference between a typo and ignorance. I, myself, experienced (gasp) a typo when I called Hitler ‘an nut’. If you were to peruse the rest of my blatherings, you would realize that was more mistake/accident than ignorance, although I take full responsibility for not noticing the extra ‘n’.
Now, can we get some acceptance of responsibility for spelling charisma as ‘carisma’ by the same person that didn’t know Hitler wrote ‘Mein Kampf’ before he came to power? Or acknowledgement that the man Gabrielle thinks is the anti-christ spells his name ‘Barack’? Use ‘the google’, people!
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May 28th, 2008 at 3:35 pm
I shouldn’t have called you an asshole. You were just trying to make a point.
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May 28th, 2008 at 3:36 pm
No. It should be “Nazis”, not “Nazi’s”.
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May 28th, 2008 at 3:39 pm
Orlando…lmao…but you did leave out a comma between ‘right’ and ‘asshole’. This ‘Nazi’ says there should always be a comma before ‘asshole’. hehehehehehehehe
Oh, and Troeltsch, if we were really Nazis, then all these ignorant, scared rabbits preaching the end of the world would already be on trains. I realize you use ‘Nazi’ as hyperbole, but haven’t we had enough of that already, really?
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May 28th, 2008 at 3:46 pm
Walrus or Eggman?
lol, i meant it as a fluid “didispellthatrightasshole?” And not, “Did I spell that right (pause for effect) asshole?”
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May 28th, 2008 at 4:11 pm
My bad. I failed to recognize the ‘asshole tag for stream of consciousness’ rule applied here. I surrender my ‘Nazi’ mantle. ;-P
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May 28th, 2008 at 4:20 pm
Oh, and heids, I have a question for you. This has perplexed me for quite some time. If Christians believe that the anti-christ and rapture are completion of biblical prophesy and believe that they are ’saved’ and will go to heaven, why are you the people who are so afraid of the anti-christ, the end of the world and death?
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May 28th, 2008 at 11:27 pm
yes, there is going to be an anti-christ, and a christian is NOT scared of the coming of the anti-christ, or the rapture. a christian will not ever know who the anti-christ is, because my lord and savior JESUS christ will have raptured his children. in case any does not know the meaning of rapture, it means “caught up”. his children are gonna be caught up in the clouds with Jesus, on our way to heaven. i do hope and pray that all non-believers will wake up, and ask Jesus to come into your heart. that is the only way to heaven, otherwise you are going to spend all of eternity in a devil’s hell, which was prepared for satan, and his fallen angels. All christians are anxiously waiting for the rapture.
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May 29th, 2008 at 12:26 am
Thanks for butting into my question to heids, Gail…a pushy Christian…what a surprise…, but since you did….so, if you’re all anxiously awaiting the rapture and it’s thought that Barack Obama is the anti-christ, who has to come to power before the rapture can occur, then why aren’t all of you voting for Obama to hasten the rapture? Isn’t it your Christian duty to vote for someone you think might hasten the second coming of Jesus and your little cloud trip?
And, by your own ‘logic’ and ‘facts’, if a Christian will not ever know who the anti-christ is, then either Barack Obama isn’t the anti-christ or Shery, truthbetold and the rest aren’t Christians. Correct?
Now about death…if you’re all going to go to heaven when you die, then why do you pray for a Christian to get well when they’re ill? Aren’t you praying to delay their trip to heaven? That seems kind of mean. And why to people always say that they prayed to God that, if they survived, they’d quit smoking or whatever? Aren’t you telling God that you believe in him, you just don’t want to spend time with him right now? Or are you just scared to die?
FYI – I do, indeed, know the meaning of the word ‘rapture’. I also know the meaning of ‘regurgitated doctrine’ and ‘empty rhetoric’. How about you?
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May 29th, 2008 at 11:29 am
For everyone’s information: RumorsDaily had 666 pageviews yesterday. Spooky.
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May 29th, 2008 at 12:47 pm
you just love to stir it up, dontcha?
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May 29th, 2008 at 6:14 pm
666 pageviews? Perhaps that explains the simulacrum of Mary in my bacon, egg, and cheese bagel this morning.
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May 29th, 2008 at 7:14 pm
ITS VERY VERY POSSIBLE THAT SENATOR BARACK OBAMA IS THE ANTI-CHRIST WITH THE MARK OF THE BEAST!!!!!!!!!!
YES! YES! YES!
I BELIEVE THAT SEN. BARACK OBAMA IS THE ANTI-CHRIST THAT THE BIBLE TELLS US ABOUT BECAUSE:
1. IF WE ADD UP THE LETTERS IN HIS
FIRST, MIDDLE & LAST NAME, WE
WILL GET 666 IF WE USE SOME
UNDERSTANDING!
**SO HERE IS THE FORMULA:
HIS FIRST NAME IS BARACK
HIS MIDDLE NAME IS HUSSEIN
HIS LAST NAME IS OBAMA
BARACK HAS———- 6 LETTERS
HUSSEIN HAS———-7 LETTERS
OBAMA HAS———- 5 LETTERS
NOW 6 PLUS 7 PLUS 5 EQUALS 18.
AND IF WE BREAK DOWN THE NUMBER
18, WE WILL GET 6 PLUS 6 PLUS 6.
AND 666 IS THE MARK OF THE BEAST!
2. ANOTHER REASON THAT I BELIEVE THAT
SEN. BARACK OBAMA IS THE ANTI-
CHRIST IS BECAUSE HE LIVES IN AND
HAS WORKED IN CHICAGO, ILLINOIS.
AND THE ZIP CODE IN CHICAGO, ILLINOIS
IS 60606.
AND IF WE TAKE OUT THE TWO ZEROS IN THIS ZIP CODE WE WILL
GET 666 AGAIN!
AND 666 IS THE MARK OF THE BEAST!
3. THE THIRD REASON I BELIEVE THAT
SEN. BARACK OBAMA IS THE ANTI-CHRIST
IS BECAUSE ONCE AGAIN HE
LIVES IN CHICAGO, ILLINOIS AND THE
FIRST THREE DIGITS OF PHONE
NUMBERS THEIR ARE 666.
SO IF YOU DIAL 1 + AREA CODE (312)+
666 AND THEN THE LAST FOUR DIGITS
OF SOME PHONE NUMBERS THERE,
YOU WILL REACH A PHONE NUMBER IN
THE SAME CITY AND STATE THAT
SEN. BARACK OBAMA LIVES IN! BECAUSE
THE TELEPHONE NUMBERS THERE
BEGIN WITH 666.
AND REMEMBER THAT 666 IS THE MARK
OF THE BEAST!
4. NOW THE FOURTH REASON THAT I
BELIEVE THAT SEN. BARACK OBAMA IS
THE ANTI-CHRIST THAT THE BIBLE
TELLS US ABOUT IS BECAUSE HIS
OFFICE OR CAMPAIGN PHONE NUMBER
FOR VOTERS TO CALL OR FOR PEOPLE
TO CALL WHO HAVE QUESTIONS ABOUT
VOTING IS: 1-866-675-2008.
THIS IS A TOLL-FREE NUMBER BUT
IT STILL HAS THE NUMBER 666 IN IT!
AND 666 IS THE MARK OF THE BEAST!
SO PLEASE PLEASE BEWARE OF THE
MAN NAMED SEN. BARACK OBAMA!
DO NOT VOTE FOR HIM, DO NOT
WORSHIP HIM AND DO NOT TAKE HIS
MARK! BECAUSE HIS MARK IS 666!
FROM: THE PERSON THAT STUDIES THE
END TIME A LOT.
P.S. PLEASE EMAIL ME AT:
owens_ruben@yahoo.com
SO THAT I CAN ANSWER ANY OF YOUR
QUESTIONS, COMMENTS OR CONCERNS
ABOUT THE END TIME, THE WARS, THE
RAPTURE, THE BEAST OR THE ANTI-CHRIST!
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May 29th, 2008 at 7:26 pm
awesome.
Point 4 doesn’t really fly with me, though. Lots of areas have that exchange.
But as others have pointed out, isn’t the apocalypse a *good* thing for Christians? And isn’t it unavoidable anyway? Plus, couldn’t we be doing other things to avoid *signs* of the apocalypse, like killing all pale horses?
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May 29th, 2008 at 8:09 pm
There isn’t one rational reason in that list to think that Obama is a bad person or the (lmao) anti-christ. Numerology is as stupid and meaningless as astrology and alchemy combined. This is incredibly ridiculous. We are in the midst of an intellectual emergency.
Oh my, guess what? My name also adds up to 666! Oh no! I must be EVIL! Hey maybe I’M the anti-christ!
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May 29th, 2008 at 8:10 pm
I’m pretty sure Death would provide his own pale horse and would not need to scrounge for one among us mortals.
For further reading, please see anything by Terry Pratchett (including the non-Discworld Good Omens).
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May 29th, 2008 at 8:19 pm
Wow, you’re anthropomorphizing death huh? Maybe he has a little hat. Are we a nation of children?
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May 29th, 2008 at 8:21 pm
anthropomorphisizing, is what i meant Troeltsch.
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May 29th, 2008 at 8:21 pm
Orlando, you need to be able to recognize the distinction between sincerity and humor. There are ample examples of both in these comments.
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May 29th, 2008 at 8:32 pm
On this thread I have seen some very absurd comments that weren’t anything if not sincere. Forgive me if I failed to tell the difference between humor and sincerity for a brief moment. This particular topic has a tendency to upset me because I honestly don’t believe that a nation that relies on primitive supernatural ideas is indefinitely sustainable.
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May 29th, 2008 at 8:44 pm
ITS VERY VERY POSSIBLE THAT SENATOR BARACK OBAMA IS THE ANTI-CHRIST WITH THE MARK OF THE BEAST!!!!!!!!!!
YES! YES! YES!
I BELIEVE THAT SEN. BARACK OBAMA IS THE ANTI-CHRIST THAT THE BIBLE TELLS US ABOUT BECAUSE:
1. IF WE ADD UP THE LETTERS IN HIS
FIRST, MIDDLE & LAST NAME, WE
WILL GET 666 IF WE USE SOME
UNDERSTANDING!
**SO HERE IS THE FORMULA:
HIS FIRST NAME IS BARACK
HIS MIDDLE NAME IS HUSSEIN
HIS LAST NAME IS OBAMA
BARACK HAS———- 6 LETTERS
HUSSEIN HAS———-7 LETTERS
OBAMA HAS————5 LETTERS
NOW 6 PLUS 7 PLUS 5 EQUALS 18.
AND IF WE BREAK DOWN THE NUMBER
18, WE WILL GET 6 PLUS 6 PLUS 6.
AND 666 IS THE MARK OF THE BEAST!
2. ANOTHER REASON THAT I BELIEVE THAT
SEN. BARACK OBAMA IS THE ANTI-
CHRIST IS BECAUSE HE LIVES IN AND
HAS WORKED IN CHICAGO, ILLINOIS.
AND THE ZIP CODE IN CHICAGO, ILLINOIS IS 60606.
AND IF WE TAKE OUT THE TWO ZEROS IN THIS ZIP CODE WE WILL
GET 666 AGAIN!
AND 666 IS THE MARK OF THE BEAST!
3. THE THIRD REASON I BELIEVE THAT
SEN. BARACK OBAMA IS THE ANTI-CHRIST
IS BECAUSE ONCE AGAIN HE
LIVES IN CHICAGO, ILLINOIS AND THE
FIRST THREE DIGITS OF PHONE
NUMBERS THEIR ARE 666.
SO IF YOU DIAL 1 + AREA CODE (312)+
666 AND THEN THE LAST FOUR DIGITS
OF SOME PHONE NUMBERS THERE,
YOU WILL REACH A PHONE NUMBER IN
THE SAME CITY AND STATE THAT
SEN. BARACK OBAMA LIVES IN! BECAUSE
THE TELEPHONE NUMBERS THERE
BEGIN WITH 666.
AND REMEMBER THAT 666 IS THE MARK
OF THE BEAST!
4. NOW THE FOURTH REASON THAT I
BELIEVE THAT SEN. BARACK OBAMA IS
THE ANTI-CHRIST THAT THE BIBLE
TELLS US ABOUT IS BECAUSE HIS
OFFICE OR CAMPAIGN PHONE NUMBER
FOR VOTERS TO CALL OR FOR PEOPLE
TO CALL WHO HAVE QUESTIONS ABOUT
VOTING IS: 1-866-675-2008.
THIS IS A TOLL-FREE NUMBER BUT
IT STILL HAS THE NUMBER 666 IN IT!
AND 666 IS THE MARK OF THE BEAST!
SO PLEASE PLEASE BEWARE OF THE
MAN NAMED SEN. BARACK OBAMA!
DO NOT VOTE FOR HIM, DO NOT
WORSHIP HIM AND DO NOT TAKE HIS
MARK! BECAUSE HIS MARK IS 666!
FROM: THE PERSON THAT STUDIES THE
END TIME A LOT.
P.S. PLEASE EMAIL ME AT:
owens_ruben@yahoo.com
SO THAT I CAN ANSWER ANY OF YOUR
QUESTIONS, COMMENTS OR CONCERNS
ABOUT THE END TIME, THE WARS, THE
RAPTURE, THE BEAST OR THE ANTI-CHRIST!
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May 29th, 2008 at 8:49 pm
ridiculous. Just plain ridiculous.
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May 29th, 2008 at 8:53 pm
Wow, you found the one person in the Chicago area whose name adds up to 666! Excellent work, Inspector Clouseau (aka MISTER “I’M A RAVING, SHOUTING, FULL OF MYSELF LUNATIC” TRUTHFUL!)
As to the pale horses….be patient. The Bush administration is sneaky. First the prairie dogs, then the wolves, then the pale horses…
I believe Scott McClellan quotes Bush in his new book…”Ya kill yerself enuf anmuls an nobody notices the pale horsies. Heh heh heh heh heh heh. Gimme anuther fruit rolly thing, Scoot. They’re awesome!”
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May 30th, 2008 at 8:10 am
Simulacrum??
wow.
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May 31st, 2008 at 3:59 pm
yes I think a lot of people need to really read the bible the end times rev. and dan. and so fourth there is a anti-christ coming he is already among us now I stopped to think about what I have read here this is no joke if you look around the world and see all that has happen just this year alone there would be no dought in anyones mind we are right at the door a while back I was making super and lisining to the t.v heard these people talking Istopped died sat down and watched obama talk my soul felt right then hes the anti-christ i just new it in my bones,soul,mind theres no dought Ijust know
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May 31st, 2008 at 6:18 pm
Wow, “dought” is an incredible misspelling.
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May 31st, 2008 at 7:46 pm
I often have doughts when I make super. I have doughts when I make launch and breckfust, too. I dought I can even spell breckfust, launch and super. What I don’t dought is that there’s an eidolon in my toaster that burns icons of the holy trinity (Hillary, Bill and Chelsea) in my baygulls.
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May 31st, 2008 at 7:58 pm
Hey, MISTER TRUTHFUL,
I’ve figured out this numerology thing.
Going by their placement in the alphabet…
N=14
I=9
G=7
G=7
E=5
R=18
14+9+7+7+5+18=60 or 6
Say the word once, you’re a bigot. Say it 3 times, you’re the anti-christ!
It’s sort of like the “Beetlejuice” for right-wing, Christian wackos.
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May 31st, 2008 at 11:19 pm
maybe i cant spell to good when i get to heaven i’ll ask god why i didnt get the gift to be smart but i know one thing i won’t be asked why i was a sleep when i was told not to be caught asleep and i was watching so i guess i maybe smart in my own way god bless
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June 1st, 2008 at 1:42 am
It’s not the gift of being smart that you lack. It’s the act being inquisitive or the act of applying yourself, or both. Unfortunately, you seem to accept whatever is easiest.
You didn’t excel with spelling and you didn’t think, “If I work at this, I could get better” or “Let me use a dictionary or a spelling checker.” You were told the Christian god was the true God and you said “Okay, I believe.”
The Christian church makes everything so easy. Whatever you do, whatever your ’sins’ (even if it’s judging a good man to be the anti-christ on nothing more than a feeling)…it’s all okay, because you believe and God will forgive you. You don’t have to try to think, to reason, to learn. How convenient for you.
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June 1st, 2008 at 7:01 am
You aren’t actually trying to reason with this woman, are you?????
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June 1st, 2008 at 8:44 am
the christain church doesn’t make life easier if it did then all christains would be saints there would be no reason for jesus I didn’t eccept what is the easiest the bible didn’t tell me this guy is he it told me what to look for theres a lot of left handed people out there theres a lot of the same kind of people that does and acks like him you can’t tell me you never had a gut feeling about anything in your life and if you did then you must be a nut case or better put it one of those chirstain nut cases I due not go to church and I due not live the way I should and if I did I wouln’t be judging this man and thats what i am dueing you don;t here other christains saying its him there looking for someone eles out of the middle east to fit the anti-christain shoes the only way you are forgiven for your sins is if you are sorry for dueing them and I am not sorry theres nothen that comes easy for me the only thing a person as in this world is what he works hard for 30 years ago I could not read I could not spell not even a little bit I had to ask someone to tell me what was on t.v.i agree i am far from even being good at it but I did it on my own it wasn’t god or the church God bless
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June 1st, 2008 at 9:04 am
Nothing annoys me more than having someone ask God to bless me. Please keep that to yourself.
And, stop thinking that you aren’t smart. You may be misguided, but I don’t think you are stupid.
Just out of curiosity – in what part of the country are you located?
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June 1st, 2008 at 9:28 am
born in Ohio live in Arizona
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June 1st, 2008 at 11:34 am
Interesting.
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June 1st, 2008 at 12:22 pm
If anyones ignorent its those in power. You can see the light of the sun at night through the darkness of the moon. Religion is not meant to be a trap to confine you into spiritual finality. In Revelation of the New Testament death and destruction are brought about through the anti-christ. 666 repersents your actions and thoughts put onto you by the anti-christ. Its not obama , it is the american state of belief forced on you by those in power of the laws, media, science, education, medicine, military and religion. The meek shall truly inherit the earth in the end of days. For if power currupts, than absolute power currupts absolutly. Everytime you perform “sin” or have thoughts which hurt yourself and society believe deeply that we are all one and the same and our schizo 3rd dimension personalities will ascend to higher levels of being and one-ness. We cannot however attain this goal through self serving principles of power and think we can attain a lvl higher than god. That was the strongest angels downfall. Fuck revelation…theres no reason to kill each other as we are all brothers and sisters. I say we surprise god and show our faith in the divine plan with only love, peace, hope and patiance. Let the message of all belief in the one God spread without fear and damnation. Most unenlightened followers of Christ ignore how open religion should be, mainly for not expeincing firsthand the persecution, slavery, and mass-murdering by the roman state. Which speaking of, the power structures theirin have descended down through bloodlines into europe and the united states becoming our current administration. Since the dawn of time we have tasted the knowledge of good and evil and only through the tree of life can we ascend past this knowledge into our true heavenly state.
I love you all
even those who are “damned”
I will never raise my judgment against you
That is reserved only for God
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June 1st, 2008 at 1:01 pm
i’m starting to be very, very disturbed.
>>shudder<<
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June 1st, 2008 at 1:28 pm
Oh Kathy, Kathy, Kathy…
Hard though it is to wade through you nonsensical, uncapilalized, unpunctuated ramble, I can recognize the deductive reasoning skills of a loon when I see them. Your if-then argument that IF being a Christian were easy THEN you’d be a saint is on par with me saying IF I am good at math THEN I’m an accountant or IF I like to drive THEN I’m Dale Earnhardt, Jr.
What I can tell you is, IF you worked very hard to get to this redemial level of communication, THEN I am very proud of you. Keep trying.
IF, however, you truly aren’t sorry for any of the bad, wrong, mistaken, evil, sinful…. whatever…. things that you do THEN you’re what’s wrong with this world.
Go and vote for your senior senator in the presidential race, if that makes you feel better. He’s become a man who isn’t sorry for anything he does, either. You two should get along famously.
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June 1st, 2008 at 9:31 pm
I what ever you want to say about me Is fine I won’t commit won’t I thought this web sight was for talk from all sides but I guess its only for the ones that fill there really something I am truly sorry for a lot of things I usually don’t comment on things I usually just read them and I know I should stay just reading them In a few of you peoples eyes you call me as you will and to be truthful I don’t vote
don’t fell my vote would count anyway and no I would not make a good match with my senior senator
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June 1st, 2008 at 9:34 pm
Such hatred from them that perceive Christ as a threat (do understand…He IS to His enemies). I find it truly amazing that after almost 2000 years, His name either incites love or hate. It’s a shame that those who are busy railing against religion see Christians as ‘haters’, yet the venom spewed from their tongues are as acidic as vipers spit. We only care for you and want you to not have to suffer the ‘things that are coming upon the earth’. It’s all right there in the Holy Scriptures. Let the Word of God speak for Himself (I actually don’t expect you/them to read the following, but for your reference…see if you are listed below):
Romans 1:18-32 For the wrath of God is revealed from heaven against all ungodliness and unrighteousness of men who suppress the truth in unrighteousness, because that which is known about God is evident within them; for God made it evident to them. For since the creation of the world His invisible attributes, His eternal power and divine nature, have been clearly seen, being understood through what has been made, so that they are without excuse. For even though they knew God, they did not honor Him as God or give thanks, but they became futile in their speculations, and their foolish heart was darkened. Professing to be wise, they became fools, and exchanged the glory of the incorruptible God for an image in the form of corruptible man and of birds and four-footed animals and crawling creatures. Therefore God gave them over in the lusts of their hearts to impurity, so that their bodies would be dishonored among them. For they exchanged the truth of God for a lie, and worshiped and served the creature rather than the Creator, who is blessed forever. Amen. For this reason God gave them over to degrading passions; for their women exchanged the natural function for that which is unnatural, and in the same way also the men abandoned the natural function of the woman and burned in their desire toward one another, men with men committing indecent acts and receiving in their own persons the due penalty of their error. And just as they did not see fit to acknowledge God any longer, God gave them over to a depraved mind, to do those things which are not proper, being filled with all unrighteousness, wickedness, greed, evil; full of envy, murder, strife, deceit, malice; {they are} gossips, slanderers, haters of God, insolent, arrogant, boastful, inventors of evil, disobedient to parents, without understanding, untrustworthy, unloving, unmerciful; and although they know the ordinance of God, that those who practice such things are worthy of death, they not only do the same, but also give hearty approval to those who practice them.
2nd Timothy 3:1-5 But realize this, that in the last days difficult times will come. For men will be lovers of self, lovers of money, boastful, arrogant, revilers, disobedient to parents, ungrateful, unholy, unloving, irreconcilable, malicious gossips, without self-control, brutal, haters of good, treacherous, reckless, conceited, lovers of pleasure rather than lovers of God, holding to a form of godliness, although they have denied its power; Avoid such men as these.
2nd Peter 3:3-4 Know this first of all, that in the last days mockers will come with {their} mocking, following after their own lusts, and saying, “Where is the promise of His coming? For {ever} since the fathers fell asleep, all continues just as it was from the beginning of creation.”
Jude 1:16-23 These are grumblers, finding fault, following after their {own} lusts; they speak arrogantly, flattering people for the sake of {gaining an} advantage. But you, beloved, ought to remember the words that were spoken beforehand by the apostles of our Lord Jesus Christ, that they were saying to you, “In the last time there will be mockers, following after their own ungodly lusts.” These are the ones who cause divisions, worldly-minded, devoid of the Spirit. But you, beloved, building yourselves up on your most holy faith, praying in the Holy Spirit, keep yourselves in the love of God, waiting anxiously for the mercy of our Lord Jesus Christ to eternal life. And have mercy on some, who are doubting; save others, snatching them out of the fire; and on some have mercy with fear, hating even the garment polluted by the flesh.
Christianity is not to be blindly followed – in fact you are a fool if you do not investigate all of it’s claims. Just keep watching the news. When Russia leads Iran, Syria, Lebanon, Turkey, Libya, Jordan and ‘other peoples with him’ against Israel in the very near future…this has already been predicted in Ezekiel chapters 38 & 39 as the War of Magog vs Israel’. When Israel cannot protect herself but the armies are destroyed by the very hand of God; destroying 5/6 (that’s 85% of the Russo-Islamic confederation)…find yourself a Bible and a good church to ask for the answers to all of the questions you will have.
I expect great criticism and vitriol for my post…but then I am a Christian, what more should I expect.
In the love and patience of Christ Jesus, Mattisyahu
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June 1st, 2008 at 9:59 pm
I can’t speak for everyone, but I don’t think we perceive Christ as a threat. At least I don’t. We perceive radical Christians as a threat….those who would create war in order to facilitate prophesy, those who would deny medicine to a dying man, those who would deny birth control to a woman with 3 starving children, those who would label a man ‘the anti-christ’ on nothing more than a ‘feeling’, those who do shameful things in the name of God.
This text you quote in particular…
2nd Timothy 3:1-5 But realize this, that in the last days difficult times will come. For men will be lovers of self, lovers of money, boastful, arrogant, revilers, disobedient to parents, ungrateful, unholy, unloving, irreconcilable, malicious gossips, without self-control, brutal, haters of good, treacherous, reckless, conceited, lovers of pleasure rather than lovers of God, holding to a form of godliness, although they have denied its power; Avoid such men as these.
…describes quite a few evangelical preachers and their followers, the HRC and it’s followers, your beloved President and his ardent followers, etc etc etc
It is not the name of Jesus that incites love or hate, it is the condemnation that some Christians dole out (against the teachings of Jesus, I might point out) that we revile. Until you understand the difference, until you are capable of making note of the words ’some’, ‘many’ or ‘a few’, until you can admit that there are imposters amongst you (some of which are followed blindly), until can acknowledge the evil that has been done in the name of God and until you stop acting victimized every time the opinion of a Christian is questioned, then you are incapable of rational discourse.
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June 1st, 2008 at 10:22 pm
Since you bring it up, Kathy (and others who have been keeping this thread alive like orlando, Walrus, MR. NUMEROLOGY, etc.), what did lead you to this blog, anyway? i don’t think there are any signs that it is meant to be “for talk on all sides”, though I guess not much is forbidden, not even my misguided metaphors. As you can tell, it’s not primarily about politics or God or any one particular topic, nor is it frequented by a great many people. Surely there are other places where you can convince more readers of your views or make more of a difference, but you chose this lonely little corner of the internet. Why? Not that I’m not thrilled to be following this thread, mind you.
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June 1st, 2008 at 11:32 pm
Anyone who truly loves and follows Christ wants none to suffer, hates war (and will only enter into it to protect innocence) seeks to feed the hungry give, shelter to the homeless and are commissioned by Jesus to “go into every nation, making disciples of men, baptizing in the name of the Father, the Son and the Holy Spirit”. In which case, I cannot not relent in my duty.
In your assessment of the intelligence of some of the previous posters abilities to converse using rational thought and express themselves in an articulate manner, demeaning some who may be less learned than yourself – you are not swaying ‘us idiots’ either, but you prove your disdain for others holding them as ‘lower than yourself’ and are not winning any to your side. It seems more like arguing for the sake of humor.
The truth is, while many claim the name of Yeshua Ha’Moshiach – Christ Jesus – all are human and none are perfect. The real difference is humility. I do not claim any significance other than the fact that I am saved by the blood of Jesus. I do not condemn you for your beliefs…that isn’t my place because I am a sinner…just as are all of mankind. I, to take a page from the Apostle Paul’s play-book, am the chief of sinners, deserving death and hell for all of the terrible things I have done – yet, while I was His enemy, Jesus died for me.
Many cite “all those holier than thou Christians” as being the problem, but truthfully, the problem is we live in a world where everyone has free will and at times we are either the recipient or the deliverer of such evil. Christians are no better than anyone else, we simply have come under the advocacy of the Lord Jesus Christ who will commute our sentences in the day of judgment.
While I disagree with your statement, (sic) “until can acknowledge the evil that has been done in the name of God and until you stop acting victimized every time the opinion of a Christian is questioned, then you are incapable of rational discourse,” you are entitled to opine as you see fit. I am not a victim. I have done far worse to others than has ever been done to me, of which I am completely ashamed, yet, I remain forgiven in the gift of His grace. As far as the evil committed by them that call themselves Christians such as the “crusades”, etc., you cannot call everyone a wacko just because they believe in God or that because I/we am/are a Christian, I/we must be uninformed, poorly educated, self-aggrandizing or any of the other connotations that lace the posts in this forum. That is akin to saying if you live in Texas, you ride a horse – which I do and do not.
In regards to what Christ taught, remember He came “not to bring peace, but a sword”. To divide the goats from the sheep, if you will, separating those who trust and believe in Him from them that will not. He also chased out the money changers from the temple, flailing a whip of chords…not exactly a pacifist thing to do in my estimation. But, you are correct. Many of my misguided brothers and sisters have been taken by much false doctrine and bad shepherds. My ‘beloved president’, as you put it, I disagree with about 60% of the time – although I hold great hope he is what he claims to be…but, only Christ knows the hearts of men.
I perceive that you are very intelligent and probably not a terrible person, you are just misguided as to who and what a true Christian is and what they stand for. Please do not mistake my stance though; if you are not born again of the Holy Spirit, you are in grave danger – but I will never force my beliefs on you. No matter what you think of me, I care for you and all of mankind and wish no ill will on anyone.
It’s like this, if I were aware of a terrible catastrophe heading your way, should I worry what you think of me or try my best to warn you? I am glad to be a punching bag, if necessary, if one might listen and be saved. It isn’t about force. God never forces anyone to accept Him, in fact that is completely counter to His character. Islam has a weak god who must be defended by mere men. My God is above all and will, in the end, recompense all for their evil who have not been washed in the blood of the Lamb the only begotten Son.
I thank you for at least reading my post fully and seeing that, while I may be a ‘religious nut’, I am not a mere idiot being fooled by those who want to control simple-minded people into following their regurgitated nonsense. I have spent much time pouring over the Scriptures, admittedly at first in an attempt to disprove the Bible – yet here I am convinced in my heart of hearts that the Bible is true.
In the patience and love of my Lord and Savior, Jesus Christ, Mattisyahu
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June 1st, 2008 at 11:48 pm
Again, can’t speak for everyone, but I was killing time on the computer while eating lunch and was looking for a laugh. I had heard about this Barack is the anti-christ BS, so I plugged ‘Barack Antichrist’ into metasearch and voila!
JBG has my kind of sarcastic wit and I couldn’t help but notice that none, or very few, of the anti-christ alarmists can spell or know much about history, so I joined in the fun. Because I had signed up for email alerts to new posts, I had to jump in when you and Orlando gave it a go. Then I was sucked into the black hole that is Kathy’s illogical logic and I was stuck.
I’m not really trying to convince anyone of anything. I do hold out hope that maybe one person might feel the need to think outside the sepulchre, so to speak.
After my last post, though, I did get the sense that I was getting bored with what was supposed to be relieving my momentary bouts of boredom. So if someone could say something funny or more even more ludicrous….
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June 1st, 2008 at 11:51 pm
Bobby Jindal is the antichrist?
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June 2nd, 2008 at 12:05 am
good one.
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June 2nd, 2008 at 12:26 am
Mattisyahu –
If you read my postings in order, you will see that I began by correcting historical and geographical references that were incorrect, because you can’t have a fruitful discussion if someone is peddling inaccuracies as truth. Yes, there was humor as well, because JBG, AJT and others made me laugh. (see my post prior to this).
I didn’t call you an idiot, you did, ergo victimizing yourself. The following is your interpretation of what I mean and think, not what I said…. “you are not swaying ‘us idiots’ either, but you prove your disdain for others holding them as ‘lower than yourself’”
If you are, indeed, a true Christian, then go with God. Why you chose to assume you are lumped in with the ‘religious nuts’ is a mystery to me. If you acknowledge a difference types of people calling themselves ‘Christian’, then you should avoid including yourself in that group, as well as grouping all those who would challenge them as full of ‘hatred’ and ‘venom’.
As for Bush, I can see how you would once hold out hope that he is what he says he is, but surely his actions over the past seven years has proven to you that he very well may not be. I do not refer only to the war, but to the lust for power, the lies and manipulations, et al. No, you can’t judge what is in his heart any more than the initial ‘Christian’ posters can judge what is in Obama’s heart.
That is, afterall, how all of this back-and-forth started. Perhaps, instead of putting yourself in the same league as those who state they are not sorry for their sins and misdeeds and those who are all too eager to judge a man on a gut instinct, you would be better served by standing up and saying that these types of statements and sentiments are not indicative of Christ’s teachings.
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June 2nd, 2008 at 12:32 am
A Hindu as the anti-christ? I don’t see it. Definitely not a Jain or Buddhist. Maybe a Shintoist…that would reduce the search to a manageable set of possibilities. Oh, wait, he’s a Hindu who became a Catholic and is named after a Brady Bunch kid….maybe…..maybe….
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June 2nd, 2008 at 12:36 am
PS…thanks DoorFrame…it’s no ‘pale horse’, but the timing was excellent!
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June 2nd, 2008 at 3:08 pm
DID GOD LEAVE US A CODE IN THE BIBLE TO HELP US TO FIGURE OUT WHO THE ANTI-CHRIST WILL BE??????
—————————————————————————————————————————————————–
DID GOD LEAVE US A CODE IN THE BIBLE TO TELL US THAT SEN. BARACK OBAMA IS THE ANTI-CHRIST?
——————————————————————————————————————————————————
I DON’T BELIEVE THAT GOD LEFT US A CODE IN THE BIBLE TO FIGURE OUT THINGS!
BUT FOR SOMETHING AS IMPORTANT AS KNOWING WHO THE ANTI-CHRIST IS, I THINK THAT IT’S POSSIBLE THAT HE DID LEAVE US A CODE!
AND GUESS WHAT!
I THINK THAT I HAVE FOUND THAT CODE!!
THE CODE IS FOUND IN THE BIBLE IN THE BOOK OF JEREMIAH!
WHY?
BECAUSE BARACK OBAMA’S FORMER PASTOR’S NAME WAS REV. JEREMIAH WRIGHT! DO YOU GET IT?
NOW THE CODE IS FOUND IN THE BIBLE IN JEREMIAH CHAPTER 36.
WHY?
BECAUSE 36 MEANS THREE SIXES.
AND THREE SIXES MEAN 666.
AND 666 IS THE MARK OF THE BEAST!
SO IF YOU READ THE WHOLE 36TH CHAPTER OF JEREMIAH (IN THE BIBLE) YOU SHOULD SEE WHAT I MEAN ABOUT I THINK I HAVE FOUND A CODE TO HELP US TO FIGURE OUT WHO THE ANTI-CHRIST WILL BE!
BECAUSE IN THIS CHAPTER 36, THERE IS A MAN BY THE NAME OF BARACK.
BUT IT IS SPELLED BARUCH INSTEAD OF BARACK.
NOW IN THIS CHAPTER 36, BARACK (BARUCH) AND JEREMIAH WERE
GOOD FRIENDS.
WHY?
BECAUSE IN REAL LIFE, SENATOR BARACK OBAMA AND PASTOR JEREMIAH WRIGHT WERE ALSO GOOD FRIENDS!
DO YOU GET IT?
ALSO IN THIS CHAPTER 36, BARACK (BARUCH) WAS A WRITER.
WHY?
BECAUSE IN REAL LIFE BARACK OBAMA IS ALSO A WRITER!
PROBABLY A SPEECH WRITER AND ALSO COME TO THINK OF IT HE HAS ALSO WRITTEN AT LEAST TWO BOOKS!
ALSO IN THIS CHAPTER 36 OF JEREMIAH, BARACK (BARUCH) WENT AROUND GIVING GREAT SPEECHES.
WHY?
BECAUSE IN REAL LIFE THIS IS WHAT SENATOR BARACK OBAMA DOES!
HE GOES AROUND GIVING GREAT SPEECHES TOO!
NOW ALL OF THESE THINGS THAT I JUST MENTIONED ABOUT BARACK (BARUCH) AND JEREMIAH IN CHAPTER 36 OF THE BOOK OF JEREMIAH IN THE BIBLE ARE NOT A COINCIDENCE!
BUT I REALLY BELIEVE THAT GOD IS TRYING TO TELL US HERE THAT SENATOR BARACK OBAMA IS THE ANTI-CHRIST!
BECASUE THIS CHAPTER IN THE BIBLE IS JUST TOO STRANGELY RELATED TO THE SAME SENATOR BARACK OBAMA THAT IS RUNNING FOR PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA AT THIS TIME!!!!!!!!!!!
THEREFORE I REALLY FEEL THAT THIS IS THE CODE THAT OUR MERCIFUL GOD HAS LEFT US TO HELP US TO FIGURE OUT WHO THE ANTI-CHRIST WILL BE!
SO DON’T FORGET TO READ
JEREMIAH CHAPTER 36.
SO IT WAS NICE KNOWING EVERYBODY!
BUT I THINK THAT THIS IS THE END!! AMEN!!
Please Email me at:
owens_ruben@yahoo.com with any
Questions or Concerns or Comments Your
Would Like Answered
about THE END TIME, THE RAPTURE, THE
WARS, THE BEAST, THE ANTI-CHRIST, THE
MARK OF THE BEAST OR THE NEW BABYLON!!
FROM: Mr. Truthful.
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June 2nd, 2008 at 3:13 pm
un frickin believable.
I think the end is near, too. Probably not for the same reason you do, though.
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June 2nd, 2008 at 4:13 pm
Um….MR. TRUTHFUL….wasn’t Jeremiah having Baruch take down the word of God in his writing? Wasn’t all of this to show the king the evil of his ways and God’s intent for a better life for his people?
Now, if Baruch had been deceitful in his writings, if he had been pretending to be a man a God, if his writings were a ploy to betray his people, then I might see why you would chose the book of Jeremiah to make your point. Since Jeremiah and Baruch were attempting to get God’s words to those in power, who were corrupt, in order to get them to see that what they were doing was wrong, I hardly think this is an indicator of an antichrist.
Nice try, though. Keep on reading!
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June 2nd, 2008 at 4:17 pm
Buck up, Mother. The fruit fly burns out quickly.
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June 2nd, 2008 at 4:56 pm
ITS VERY VERY POSSIBLE THAT SENATOR BARACK OBAMA IS THE ANTI-CHRIST WITH THE MARK OF THE BEAST!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
YES! YES! YES!
I BELIEVE THAT SEN. BARACK OBAMA IS THE ANTI-CHRIST THAT THE BIBLE TELLS US ABOUT BECAUSE:
1. IF WE ADD UP THE LETTERS IN HIS
FIRST, MIDDLE & LAST NAME, WE
WILL GET 666 IF WE USE SOME UNDERSTANDING!
**SO HERE IS THE FORMULA:
HIS FIRST NAME IS BARACK.
HIS MIDDLE NAME IS HUSSEIN.
HIS LAST NAME IS OBAMA.
BARACK HAS—————6 LETTERS
HUSSEIN HAS—————7 LETTERS
OBAMA HAS—————–5 LETTERS
NOW 6 PLUS 7 PLUS 5 EQUALS 18.
AND IF WE BREAK DOWN THE NUMBER
18, WE WILL GET 6 PLUS 6 PLUS 6.
AND 666 IS THE MARK OF THE BEAST!
2. ANOTHER REASON THAT I BELIEVE THAT
SEN. BARACK OBAMA IS THE ANTI-
CHRIST IS BECAUSE HE LIVES IN AND
HAS WORKED IN CHICAGO, ILLINOIS.
AND THE ZIP CODE IN CHICAGO, ILLINOIS
IS 60606. AND IF WE TAKE OUT THE
TWO ZEROS IN THIS ZIP CODE WE WILL
GET 666 AGAIN!
AND 666 IS THE MARK OF THE BEAST!
3. THE THIRD REASON I BELIEVE THAT
SEN. BARACK OBAMA IS THE ANTI-
CHRIST IS BECAUSE ONCE AGAIN HE
LIVES IN CHICAGO, ILLINOIS AND THE
FIRST THREE DIGITS OF PHONE
NUMBERS THEIR ARE 666.
SO IF YOU DIAL 1 + AREA CODE (312) +
666 AND THEN THE LAST FOUR DIGITS
OF SOME PHONE NUMBERS THERE,
YOU WILL REACH A PHONE NUMBER IN
THE SAME CITY AND STATE THAT
SEN. BARACK OBAMA LIVES IN! BECAUSE
THE TELEPHONE NUMBERS THERE
BEGIN WITH 666.
AND REMEMBER THAT 666 IS THE MARK OF THE BEAST!
4. NOW THE FOURTH REASON THAT I
BELIEVE THAT SEN. BARACK OBAMA IS
THE ANTI-CHRIST THAT THE BIBLE
TELLS US ABOUT IS BECAUSE HIS
OFFICE OR CAMPAIGN PHONE NUMBER
FOR VOTERS TO CALL OR FOR PEOPLE
TO CALL WHO HAVE QUESTIONS ABOUT
VOTING IS: 1-866-675-2008.
THIS IS A TOLL-FREE NUMBER BUT
IT STILL HAS THE NUMBER 666 IN IT!
AND 666 IS THE MARK OF THE BEAST!
SO PLEASE PLEASE BEWARE OF THE
MAN NAMED SEN. BARACK OBAMA!
DO NOT VOTE FOR HIM, DO NOT
WORSHIP HIM AND DO NOT TAKE HIS MARK!
BECAUSE HIS MARK IS 666!
FROM: THE PERSON THAT STUDIES THE END TIME.
P.S. PLEASE EMAIL ME AT:
owens_ruben@yahoo.com
SO THAT I CAN ANSWER ANY OF YOUR
QUESTIONS, COMMENTS OR CONCERNS
ABOUT THE END TIME, THE WARS, THE
RAPTURE, THE BEAST OR THE ANTI-
CHRIST OR THE NEW BABYLON!
FROM: Mr. Truthful
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June 2nd, 2008 at 5:02 pm
If ever there was a reason to vote Obama, this fruitfly is it.
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June 2nd, 2008 at 6:02 pm
The way he repeatedly regurgitates this stuff is reminiscent of Republican pundits and their talking points. (knock knock knock) James Dobson, is that you? Can you tell Ann Coulter to hush up. She’s shouting again.
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June 2nd, 2008 at 6:04 pm
IF BARACK OBAMA IS THE ANTI-CHRIST
HE WILL GET BIGGER AND BIGGER!!!!!!!
I BELIEVE THAT SENATOR BARACK OBAMA IS THE ANTI-CHRIST WITH THE MARK OF THE BEAST (666) BECAUSE :
DANIEL 7:8 AND DANIEL 8:9 DESCRIBES THE ANTI-CHRIST AS A LITTLE
HORN!
YES! SENATOR BARACK OBAMA IS TALL AND SKINNEY! (MEANING LITTLE)!
AND HE IS ONE OF THE YOUNGEST MEN THAT HAVE EVER RUN FOR PRESIDENT OF THE U.S.A.!
AND HE IS ALSO LITTLE IN THE SENSE THAT HE’S NOT JUST A SENATOR BUT HE IS PROBABLY A JUNIOR SENATOR OR A FAIRLY NEW SENATOR!
BECAUSE SENATOR BARACK OBAMA HASN’T BEEN A MEMBER OF THE WHITE HOUSE VERY LONG!
HE IS ALSO A LITTLE HORN BECAUSE HE IS THE LEAST OR LEAST KNOWN AMONG SEVERAL OF THE OTHER CANDIDATES!
BUT HE HAS STILL BEEN WINNING!
AND HE HAS EVEN BEEN WINNING OVER THE
SUPER-DELEGATES TOO!
SENATOR BARACK OBAMA IS ALSO LITTLE BECAUSE HE HAS NOT BEEN IN FEDERAL POLITICS AS LONG AS SOME OF THE OTHER CANDIDATES HAVE
(INCLUDING THE CLINTONS)!
BUT HE’S STILL BEEN BEATING THE CLINTONS WHO ARE MORE WELL KNOWN THAN HE IS!
AND THIS IS VERY STRANGE!
AND HE IS ALSO LITTLE BECAUSE HE HAS MORE THAN ONCE SAID ON TELEVISION THAT HE MIGHT BE SKINNEY (OR LITTLE) BUT HE IS TUFF!
SO LET ME ADD THIS COMMENT!
A LITTLE EVIL PERSON CAN BECOME A BIG EVIL PERSON IF THE DEVIL HELPS HIM TO DO SO!
BECAUSE REVELATIONS 13:2 LETS US KNOW THAT IT IS THE DEVIL THAT WILL GIVE THIS MAN (THE ANTI-CHRIST) HIS POWER, HIS AUTHORITY AND HIS SEAT!
AND MORE THAN LIKELY THIS MEANS HIS SEAT IN THE WHITE HOUSE IN THE OVAL OFFICE!
FROM: Mr. Truthful.
Please Email Me At
owens_ruben@yahoo.com
SO THAT I CAN ANSWER ANY OF YOUR QUESTIONS, CONCERNS OR COMMENTS ABOUT THE END TIME,
THE WARS, THE BEAST, THE ANTI-CHRIST,
THE RAPTURE, THE MARK OF THE BEAST
OR THE NEW BABYLON!
BECAUSE THESE ARE THE THINGS THAT I HAVE STUDIED!
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June 2nd, 2008 at 6:27 pm
Little horn – baby Bush – Texas Longhorns
Little horn – Bill’s penis
Little horn – A Bugle snack chip with a likeness of the Virgin in it’s toasty goodness
Little horn – Little Bighorn – George Custer – George Bush
Little horn – Little Bighorn – 2nd batallion led by Marcus Reno – Janet Reno
Little horn – Little Bighorn – newspaper reporter Mark Kellogg was there – Kellogg’s makes Rice Krispies – Condoleeza Rice
Son of a crazy man, the possibilities are endless!!!!
Whomever it is, they’re sure to be 6 (66) degrees away. Maybe we should just ask Kevin Bacon…
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June 2nd, 2008 at 7:57 pm
I BELIEVE THAT SEN. BARACK OBAMA IS THE ANTI-CHRIST
BECAUSE HE HAS LIVED OVERSEAS!
AND IF WE READ REVELATIONS 13:1 WE WILL FIND THAT JOHN THE REVELATOR LETS US KNOW THAT HE SAW THIS BEAST
(CALLED THE ANTI-CHRIST) RISE UP OUT OF THE SEA!
YES! SEN. BARACK OBAMA (WHOM I THINK IS THE ANTI-CHRIST) WAS BORN IN HAWAII OR HONOLULU, HAWAII!
BUT THEN LATER ON WHEN HE WAS I THINK ABOUT SIX YEARS OLD HE MOVED TO THE COUNTRY OF INDONESIA (OVERSEAS)!!
AND THEN HE ROSE UP FROM THAT PLACE AND CAME BACK TO THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA!!
AND BY THE WAY I ALSO THINK THAT INDONESIA IS EITHER LOCATED NEAR OR BORDERED BY A SEA CALLED THE
(SOUTH CHINA SEA) OR THE (CELEBES SEA)!
SO THERE YOU GO!
I THINK THAT WE HAVE FOUND OUR MAN!
AND HIS NAME IS SENATOR BARACK OBAMA, THE ANTI-CHRIST!
FROM: Mr. Truthful
Please Email Me At:
owens_ruben@yahoo.com
IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS, CONCERNS OR COMMENTS ABOUT THE END TIME, THE BEAST, THE RAPTURE, THE ANTI-CHRIST, THE MARK OF THE BEAST OR THE WARS OR THE NEW BABYLON!
BECAUSE THESE ARE THE THINGS THAT I HAVE STUDIED!!
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June 2nd, 2008 at 8:44 pm
seriously, dude, stop with the ALL CAPS. If you want to revelate to us you have to stop giving us headaches.
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June 2nd, 2008 at 9:11 pm
Granted it’s not going to have the same rant-like impact if I don’t capitalize, but I’ll selectively capitalize to make you feel more comfortable….
John McCain was born in the Panama Canal zone WHICH DIVIDES THE SEAS!
His father and grandfather were admirals…men who sail the SEAS!
He was stationed on aircraft carriers WHICH ROAM THE SEAS!
He was shot down OVERSEAS! (Actually he was shot over Truc Bach Lake and parachuted into it. He was pulled out of the water….i. e., rose up out of the water) Then he rose up from that place (Vietnam) and came back to the United States of America!
Vietnam is filled with VIETNAMESE…a word that rhymes with SEAS!
And by the way, I also think that Vietnam is either located on or bordered by a sea called the SOUTH CHINA SEA.
He is permanently unable to raise his arms above his head to praise Jesus. He wrote a book entitled “Faith of my Fathers”, instead of “My Faith in the Father”.
SO THERE YOU GO!
I THINK THAT WE HAVE FOUND OUR MAN!
AND HIS NAME IS SENATOR JOHN MCCAIN, THE ANTI-CHRIST!
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June 2nd, 2008 at 9:18 pm
I don’t think he can, Troeltsch. I think you lose your Fanatics Usurping Christ’s Teachings membership card, if you communicat normally.
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June 2nd, 2008 at 9:19 pm
oopsy, stuck key
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June 2nd, 2008 at 9:19 pm
I meant ‘communicate’, of course.
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June 2nd, 2008 at 9:32 pm
John McCain’s middle name is SIDNEY, which has 6 letters!
John McCain’s last name is MCCAIN, which has 6 letters!
John McCain is from ARIZONA, which has 6 letters!
John McCain was born in PANAMA, which has 6 letters!
John McCain was born in 1936, or 36, or 3×6, or 666!
I’m just saying…
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June 2nd, 2008 at 9:36 pm
While we’re at it:
RONALD has 6 letters
WILSON has 6 letters
REAGAN has 6 letters
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June 2nd, 2008 at 9:40 pm
Here’s more:
http://home.mcn.net/~willfree/coincidence/reagan.htm
Probably best to follow the link at the bottom of that page, too.
[.]
June 2nd, 2008 at 9:43 pm
Muahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha!!!!
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June 2nd, 2008 at 9:49 pm
It is possible that EVERYBODY is the anti-christ, right?
Not me, though. My first name has 5 letters, my middle name has 5 letters, my last name has 11 letters (totaling 21 letters). You’re going to have to work hard to get some sixes out of that.
My father WAS Satan, though, so there’s that.
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June 2nd, 2008 at 10:04 pm
Yeah, but…and I hate to be the one to tell you this…I hear he whored around. I even saw this movie (an uncut documentary that was presented as a cartoon to soften the horror of the apocalypse) about the final war with Canada before the rapture and Satan was humping Sadaam.
Plus, I think your dad has to be Satan and your mom has to be a dog. I read that in a book called “The Omen”.
The inventor of the Pringles can has died, though. His ashes were buried in one of the cans. That has to be a sign of the ‘end times’.
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June 2nd, 2008 at 11:03 pm
Anti-Christ is living among us
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June 3rd, 2008 at 12:36 am
Any I deal who this anti-Christ could be ?
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June 3rd, 2008 at 1:30 am
DoorFrame, you’re from a place that is two 6-letter words, otherwise known as a place that is one 9-letter word. That’s 3 6’s with 3 left over. Carry that to your name, and you get a total of 24 letters, and 2+4 = 6. Also, using an a=1, b=2 letter cipher, your initials sum to 18, which is 3×6 or 666.
From what I hear, though, your horn ain’t that little.
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June 3rd, 2008 at 8:09 am
Woof
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June 3rd, 2008 at 8:42 am
hehehehehehehehehehehehehehehe
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June 3rd, 2008 at 10:01 am
Meanwhile, I’m still stuck on the two 6-letter words that form the place that Doorframe is from.
HuH?
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June 3rd, 2008 at 10:51 am
I also don’t know what the two 6 letter word place is. i think i know the 9 letter one. also, doorframe, i thought your real name contains 9+9+5 letters: rembrandt cryingman brown. all this time, you’re not who i thought you were.
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June 3rd, 2008 at 11:08 am
the “literary” name of the place….i’m thinking pumpkin heads and the like…
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June 3rd, 2008 at 11:10 am
hmm…i may be wrong about this, though, not actually having lived there. i’ll leave it to you experts.
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June 3rd, 2008 at 11:19 am
jewey jewtown has 5 and 7 letters. perhaps you meant that?
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June 3rd, 2008 at 11:20 am
oh…. now i get it what you meant.
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June 3rd, 2008 at 11:24 am
I can’t believe there’s 124 response to this silly thread.
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June 3rd, 2008 at 11:31 am
OHHHHHH
Well, I guess technically he is from there as that is where he was born.
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June 3rd, 2008 at 12:41 pm
ITS VERY VERY POSSIBLE THAT SENATOR BARACK OBAMA IS THE ANTI-CHRIST WITH THE MARK OF THE BEAST!!!!!!!!!!
YES! YES! YES!
I BELIEVE THAT SEN. BARACK OBAMA IS THE ANTI-CHRIST THAT THE BIBLE TELLS US ABOUT BECAUSE:
1. IF WE ADD UP THE LETTERS IN HIS
FIRST, MIDDLE & LAST NAME, WE
WILL GET 666 IF WE USE SOME
UNDERSTANDING!
**SO HERE IS THE FORMULA:
HIS FIRST NAME IS BARACK.
HIS MIDDLE NAME IS HUSSEIN.
HIS LAST NAME IS OBAMA.
BARACK HAS———- 6 LETTERS
HUSSEIN HAS——— 7 LETTERS
OBAMA HAS————5 LETTERS
NOW 6 PLUS 7 PLUS 5 EQUALS 18.
AND IF WE BREAK DOWN THE NUMBER
18, WE WILL GET 6 PLUS 6 PLUS 6.
AND 666 IS THE MARK OF THE BEAST!
2. ANOTHER REASON THAT I BELIEVE THAT
SEN. BARACK OBAMA IS THE ANTI-
CHRIST IS BECAUSE HE LIVES IN AND
HAS WORKED IN CHICAGO, ILLINOIS.
AND THE ZIP CODE IN CHICAGO, ILLINOIS IS 60606.
AND IF WE TAKE OUT THE TWO ZEROS IN THIS ZIP CODE WE WILL
GET 666 AGAIN!
AND 666 IS THE MARK OF THE BEAST!
3. THE THIRD REASON I BELIEVE THAT
SEN. BARACK OBAMA IS THE ANTI-CHRIST
IS BECAUSE ONCE AGAIN HE
LIVES IN CHICAGO, ILLINOIS AND THE
FIRST THREE DIGITS OF PHONE
NUMBERS THEIR ARE 666.
SO IF YOU DIAL 1 + AREA CODE (312)+
666 AND THEN THE LAST FOUR DIGITS
OF SOME PHONE NUMBERS THERE,
YOU WILL REACH A PHONE NUMBER IN
THE SAME CITY AND STATE THAT
SEN. BARACK OBAMA LIVES IN! BECAUSE
THE TELEPHONE NUMBERS THERE
BEGIN WITH 666.
AND REMEMBER THAT 666 IS THE MARK
OF THE BEAST!
4. NOW THE FOURTH REASON THAT I
BELIEVE THAT SEN. BARACK OBAMA IS
THE ANTI-CHRIST THAT THE BIBLE
TELLS US ABOUT IS BECAUSE HIS
OFFICE OR CAMPAIGN PHONE NUMBER
FOR VOTERS TO CALL OR FOR PEOPLE
TO CALL WHO HAVE QUESTIONS ABOUT
VOTING IS: 1-866-675-2008.
THIS IS A TOLL-FREE NUMBER BUT
IT STILL HAS THE NUMBER 666 IN IT!
AND 666 IS THE MARK OF THE BEAST!
SO PLEASE PLEASE BEWARE OF THE
MAN NAMED SEN. BARACK OBAMA!
DO NOT VOTE FOR HIM, DO NOT
WORSHIP HIM AND DO NOT TAKE HIS
MARK! BECAUSE HIS MARK IS 666!
FROM: THE PERSON THAT STUDIES THE
END TIME A LOT.
P.S. PLEASE EMAIL ME AT:
owens_ruben@yahoo.com
SO THAT I CAN ANSWER ANY OF YOUR
QUESTIONS, COMMENTS OR CONCERNS
ABOUT THE END TIME, THE WARS, THE
RAPTURE, THE BEAST OR THE ANTI-CHRIST
OR THE NEW BABYLON!
[.]
June 3rd, 2008 at 12:59 pm
I agree with you 110%
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June 3rd, 2008 at 1:50 pm
Can we all get over the 110% thing? It is impossible to agree 110%.
Uh oh…..unless you’re….
THE ANTI-CHRIST!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
(cue scary music)
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June 3rd, 2008 at 5:19 pm
TIME IS SHORT WE NEED TO GET INTO THE BIBLE LEARN ALL WE CAN SEEK AND FINE THE DOORS WILL BE OPEN TO YOU READ READ READ IS THE KEY HERE THE CLUE TO THE ANTI-CHRIST IS IN THE BIBLE 666 IS THE NUMBER OF A MAN AND THAT MAN IS THE ANTI-CHRIST NO WAY AROUND IT NO MATTER HOW YOU PUT IT I AM NOT GOD I AM NOT THE ANTI-CHRIST BUT I HAVE STUDIED THE BIBLE AND BEEN ALL OVER THE NET BUT THE MOST IS WHAT I CAN SEE AROUND ME ALSO THE FOOD COST,GAS,HOUSING,JOBS,STOCKS,ATTITUDES,YOU NAME IT ITS GOTTEN WORSE OVER A SHORTER TIME THEN BEFORE THE TRUTH WILL SET YOU FREE HEAVEN IS REAL AND SO IS HELL
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June 3rd, 2008 at 5:49 pm
Of course hell is real. Hell is trying to make sense of all these unpunctuated, capitalized rants.
But more to the point…Wouldn’t the anti-christ say he’s not the anti-christ, flybird? I’m afraid we’re going to have to shave you and look for the mark of the beast. Relax. This will only take a minute.
Mother, where’d you put the clippers?
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June 3rd, 2008 at 5:57 pm
SEN. BARACK OBAMA MIGHT BE THE
ANTI-CHRIST BECAUSE OF HIS
MULTI-CULTURAL BACKGROUND!!
YES!
AS MOST OF US KNOW, SEN. BARACK OBAMA IS APPROXIMATELY HALF
WHITE AND APPROXIMATELY HALF BLACK!
AND THIS IS BECAUSE HIS MOTHER WAS A WHITE WOMAN BUT HIS FATHER
WAS A BLACK MAN (FROM AFRICA)!
NOW IN THE BIBLE IN (REVELATIONS 13:2) JOHN THE REVELATOR SAW A
VISION OF THE ANTI-CHRIST AND HE LOOKED LIKE A LEOPARD!
NOW THE WORD LEOPARD IS A WORD THAT IS USED TO DESCRIBE SOMETHING CONTAING MIXED OR MULTIPLE COLORS!
AND A LEOPARD IS A MULTI-COLOR ANIMAL THAT COULD CONSIST OF BLACK, WHITE AND BROWN SPOTS OR COLORS!
AND BY THE WAY SEN. BARACK OBAMA IS A MAN THAT IS PART BLACK, PART WHITE AND PART BROWN TOO!
HE IS ALSO PART MUSLIM AND PART AFRICAN AND PART INDONESIAN AND PART ATHEIST IF YOU CONSIDER THE PLACES THAT HE HAS LIVED AT BEFORE AND GREW UP AT AND IF YOU CONSIDER THE BACKGROUND OF HIS PARENTS!
NOW ALSO THE CHARACTERISTIC OF A LEOPARD IS A SNEAKY OR DECEPTIVE CAT THAT WILL SNEAK UP ON YOU OR CATCH YOU OFF GUARD!
AND THIS IS WHAT THE ANTI-CHRIST WILL DO!
HE WILL SNEAK UP ON MANY PEOPLE AND CATCH THEM OFF GUARD!
AND I THINK HE ALREADY HAS!!
HE (SEN. BARACK OBAMA) HAS ALREADY SNEAKED UP ON MANY YOUNG COLLEGE-KIDS UNDER (AGE 30) AND CAUGHT THEM OFF GUARD AND WON THEIR HEARTS AND THEIR MINDS AND ALSO THEIR VOTES!
BUT I REALLY HOPE THAT HE (SEN. BARACK OBAMA) DOES NOT
WIN THEIR SOULS TOO!
BECAUSE I TRULY BELIEVE THAT HE IS THE ANTI-CHRIST!!
YES!
I TRULY BELEIVE THAT THIS IS WHAT GOD IS SAYING TO ME!
SO BE CAREFUL!
AND WORSHIP GOD AND GOD ONLY!
NOT SEN. BARACK OBAMA WHOM I CALL
THE ANTI-CHRIST!!
FROM: Mr. Truthful
PLease Email Me At
owens_ruben@yahoo.com
SO THAT I CAN ANSWER ANY OF YOUR
COMMENTS, CONCERNS OR QUESTIONS
ABOUT THE END TIME, THE ANTI-CHRIST,
THE NEW BABYLON, HELL, THE RAPTURE,
THE BEAST, THE WARS, THE MARK OF THE
BEAST OR THE EARTHQUAKES!
P.S.–BECAUSE I STUDY THE END TIME A LOT!!
(IN THE BIBLE)
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June 3rd, 2008 at 6:16 pm
1. You can’t be part Muslim…a Muslim is a follower of Islam. It is not a race of people.
2. He is not part Indonesian. His stepfather was from Indonesia, but there is no blood tie.
3. All cats are sneaky, not just leopards. Geez, what a stupid argument!
As for the spots…
And John McCain has had skin cancer…actual spots!
Do do do do
Do do do do
Do do do do
Do do do do
Dun dun dun…..doodly-do!
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harebear Reply:
July 22nd, 2008 at 11:23 am
not only that, but panthers are leapords too. they have spots you just can’t see them. MAYBE HE BARACK IS THE ANTI-CHRIST THEN!!!
after all, he is black…dun dun dunnnnnnnnnnnnnn
so, now we’re basing the end of the world on someone who has feline characteristics???
that’s just stupid.
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June 3rd, 2008 at 6:20 pm
I don’t even know where the “part atheist” comes from…
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June 3rd, 2008 at 6:37 pm
That’s the genius of Mister TRUTHFUL. When he’s off his psychotropic cocktail of meds, then anything’s possible. Me, personally? I don’t believe in part atheists….at least not completely.
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June 4th, 2008 at 1:32 pm
I STILL BELIEVE THAT SEN. BARACK OBAMA IS THE ANTI-CHRIST!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
NOW EVEN IF SEN. BARACK OBAMA GETS ASSASSINATED, OR MURDERED
OR KILLED OR SHOT OR STABBED OR GUNNED DOWN OR CREMATED OR
FUNERALIZED OR BURRIED OR CUT UP INTO TWENTY-MILLION LITTLE TINY
TINY PIECES BY SOMEONE, GUESS WHAT!!
I STILL BELIEVE THAT HE WILL COME BACK ALIVE BECAUSE
I STILL BELIEVE THAT HE IS THE ANTI-CHRIST!
YES! I AM ABOUT AT LEAST 80% SURE THAT HE IS THE ANTI-CHRIST!
SO LET ME REMIND EVERYONE WHAT JOHN (THE REVELATER) SAW
IN HIS VISION IN REVELATIONS (CHAPTER 13) OF THE BIBLE.
IN REVELATIONS 13: 3 WHEN JOHN SAW THE BEAST (ANTI-CHRIST), ONE OF HIS HEADS WAS WOUNDED TO DEATH!!
BUT JOHN ALSO LET US KNOW THAT HIS (THE ANTI-CHRIST) HEAD WAS HEALED AND ALL THE WORLD THEN WONDERED IN AMAZEMENT OVER THE BEAST (THE ANTI-CHRIST) BECUASE HOW COULD HE BE WOUNDED TO DEATH BUT STILL LIVE – OR STILL BE ALIVE – OR STILL COME BACK ALIVE AGAIN!!
OR HOW COULD HE RISE FROM THE DEAD! OR RISE FROM THE GRAVE!
BUT WE MUST REMEMBER THAT JESUS
CHRIST ALSO AROSE FROM THE DEAD!
AND THE TRUE DEFINITION OF THE WORD ANTI-CHRIST IS:
SOMEONE WHO DENIES AND OPPOSES THE IDEA THAT JESUS CHRIST WAS ACTUALLY GOD WHO CAME TO EARTH AND LIVED IN THE FLESH AND DIED IN
THE FLESH (JUST LIKE MORTAL-MANKIND) AND AFTERWARDS
AROSE FROM THE DEAD!
SO THEREFORE DESERVES TO BE PRAISED AND WORSHIPPED FOR POSSESSING
SUCH SUPER-NATURAL POWER OVER DEATH!
BUT INSTEAD THE ANTI-CHRIST WANTS YOU TO BELIEVE THAT THOSE THINGS NEVER HAPPENED AT ALL!
BUT THAT HE IS THE FIRST AND ONLY GOD AND THAT HE TOO LIVES IN THE FLESH AND LIVES ON EARTH AND CAN DIE OR BE WOUNDED TO DEATH AND YET STILL LIVE OR COME BACK ALIVE AGAIN!
JUST LIKE THE REAL JESUS CHRIST DID!!
SO THIS IS WHY (REVELATIONS 13: 13 – 15) LETS US KNOW THAT THE BEAST (THE ANTI-CHRIST) WILL BE WOUNDED (INJURED) BY A SWORD BUT HE WILL STILL LIVE OR WILL NOT DIE AT ALL OR HE WILL COME BACK ALIVE AGAIN!
AND GUESS WHAT!!
THIS IS ONE OF THE THINGS THAT HE WILL USE TO CONVINCE PEOPLE THAT HE IS REALLY GOD!!
AND THIS IS ALSO HOW HE WILL CONVINCE AND PERSUADE PEOPLE TO PRAISE HIM AND WORSHIP HIM TOO!!
BECAUSE THE AVERAGE PERSON CAN NOT COME BACK ALIVE OR RISE FROM THE DEAD OR RISE FROM THE GRAVE OR STILL LIVE AND NOT DIE AFTER THEIR HEAD HAS BEEN WOUNDED (OR INJURED OR STABBED) TO DEATH!!
SO THIS SUPER-NATURAL EVENT OF LIVING WHEN HE SHOULD HAVE DIED OR COMING BACK ALIVE AGAIN OR BEING RESSURECTED FROM THE DEAD OR GRAVE WILL CAUSE MANY MANY PEOPLE TO WORSHIP HIM (THE ANTI-CHRIST)!
SO REMEMBER THAT I TOLD YOU THESE THINGS WHEN THE DAY ARRIVES!
AND REMEMBER THAT I TOLD YOU THESE THINGS WHEN YOU SEE THE
ANTI-CHRIST NOT ONLY WIN OVER THE SUPER DELEGATES OR WIN A NOMINATION OR AN ELECTION!
BUT ALSO WIN AND RISE ABOVE A FATAL DEATH AND BEAT THE ODDS OF IT!
BECAUSE THE DEATH THAT SHOULD HAVE PUT HIM OUT OF HIS MISERY IS SOMETHING THAT HE WILL BEAT THE ODDS OF BECAUSE YET AND STILL WHEN HE SHOULD HAVE BEEN DEAD HE WILL STILL LIVE AND BECOME LIKE PEOPLE’S WORSE NIGHT MARE!
NOT ONLY AMERICA’S WORSE NIGHTMARE BUT THE WHOLE WORLD’S
WORSE NIGHTMARE!
MARK MY WORDS IT WILL HAPPEN!
AND WHEN IT DOES LET YOUR MIND GO BACK AND THINK BACK TO THIS EMAIL THAT YOU ARE READING RIGHT NOW!
AND IN THE MEANTIME IT IS VERY SMART TO READ THE WHOLE CHAPTER OF REVELATIONS (CHAPTER 13) SO THAT YOU CAN KNOW HOW TO EDUCATE AND INFORM OTHERS SUCH AS YOUR FAMILY MEMBERS OR FRIENDS OR
CO-WORKERS OR SCHOOL-MATES AND EVEN YOUR ENEMIES!
BECAUSE I WOULDN’T WISH SEN. BARACK OBAMA (WHOM I CALL THE
ANTI-CHRIST) ON MY WORSE ENEMY!
BECAUSE HE WILL BE LIKE A BAD DREAM OR BAD NIGHTMARE THAT WE
HAVE NEVER HAD BEFORE!!
From: Mister Truthful
P.S.*** PLEASE EMAIL ME AT:
owens_ruben@yahoo.com
SO THAT I CAN ANSWER ANY OF YOUR
COMMENTS, CONCERNS OR QUESTIONS
ABOUT THE BEAST, THE ANTI-CHRIST,
THE MARK OF THE BEAST, THE TRIBULATION
THE WARS, THE EARTHQUAKES, THE END TIME,
HELL, THE RAPTURE OR THE NEW BABYLON!
BECAUSE THESE ARE THE THINGS THAT I HAVE STUDIED!
[.]
June 4th, 2008 at 2:21 pm
I STILL BELIEVE THAT SEN. BARACK OBAMA IS THE ANTI-CHRIST!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
———————————————————————–
NOW EVEN IF SEN. BARACK OBAMA GETS ASSASSINATED, OR MURDERED
OR KILLED OR SHOT OR STABBED OR GUNNED DOWN OR CREMATED OR
FUNERALIZED OR BURRIED OR CUT UP INTO TWENTY-MILLION LITTLE TINY
TINY PIECES BY SOMEONE, GUESS WHAT PEOPLE!!
I STILL BELIEVE THAT HE WILL COME BACK ALIVE BECAUSE
I STILL BELIEVE THAT HE IS THE ANTI-CHRIST!
YES! I AM ABOUT AT LEAST 80% SURE THAT HE IS THE ANTI-CHRIST!
SO LET ME REMIND EVERYONE WHAT JOHN (THE REVELATER) SAW
IN HIS VISION IN REVELATIONS (CHAPTER 13) OF THE BIBLE.
IN REVELATIONS 13: 3 WHEN JOHN SAW THE BEAST (ANTI-CHRIST), ONE OF HIS HEADS WAS WOUNDED TO DEATH!!
BUT JOHN ALSO LET US KNOW THAT HIS (THE ANTI-CHRIST) HEAD AND WOUND TO HIS HEAD WAS HEALED AND ALL THE WORLD THEN WONDERED IN AMAZEMENT OVER THE BEAST (THE ANTI-CHRIST) BECUASE HOW COULD HE BE WOUNDED TO DEATH BUT STILL LIVE – OR STILL BE ALIVE – OR STILL COME BACK ALIVE AGAIN – OR COME BACK FROM THE DEAD!!
OR HOW COULD HE RISE FROM THE DEAD! OR RISE FROM THE GRAVE!
BUT WE MUST REMEMBER THAT JESUS
CHRIST ALSO AROSE FROM THE DEAD!
AND FROM THE GRAVE DIDN’T HE!!
AND THE TRUE DEFINITION OF THE WORD ANTI-CHRIST IS:
SOMEONE WHO DENIES AND OPPOSES THE IDEA THAT JESUS CHRIST WAS ACTUALLY GOD (IN THE FLESH) WHO CAME TO EARTH AND LIVED IN THE FLESH AND DIED IN THE FLESH (JUST LIKE MORTAL-MANKIND) AND AFTERWARDS AROSE FROM THE DEAD!
SO THEREFORE DESERVES TO BE PRAISED AND WORSHIPPED FOR POSSESSING
SUCH SUPER-NATURAL POWER OVER DEATH!
BUT INSTEAD THE ANTI-CHRIST WANTS YOU TO BELIEVE THAT THOSE THINGS NEVER HAPPENED AT ALL!
BUT THAT HE IS THE FIRST AND ONLY GOD AND THAT HE TOO LIVES IN THE FLESH AND LIVES ON EARTH AND CAN DIE OR BE WOUNDED TO DEATH AND YET STILL LIVE OR COME BACK ALIVE AGAIN!
JUST LIKE THE REAL JESUS CHRIST DID!!
SO THIS IS WHY (REVELATIONS 13: 13 – 15) LETS US KNOW THAT THE BEAST (THE ANTI-CHRIST) WILL BE WOUNDED (INJURED) BY A SWORD BUT HE WILL STILL LIVE OR WILL NOT DIE AT ALL OR HE WILL COME BACK ALIVE AGAIN!
AND GUESS WHAT!!
THIS IS ONE OF THE THINGS THAT HE WILL USE TO CONVINCE PEOPLE THAT HE IS REALLY GOD!!
AND THIS IS ALSO HOW HE WILL CONVINCE AND PERSUADE PEOPLE TO PRAISE HIM AND WORSHIP HIM TOO!!
BECAUSE THE AVERAGE PERSON CAN NOT COME BACK ALIVE OR RISE FROM THE DEAD OR RISE FROM THE GRAVE OR STILL LIVE AND NOT DIE AFTER THEIR HEAD HAS BEEN WOUNDED (OR INJURED OR STABBED) TO DEATH!!
SO THIS SUPER-NATURAL EVENT OF LIVING WHEN HE SHOULD HAVE DIED OR COMING BACK ALIVE AGAIN OR BEING RESSURECTED FROM THE DEAD OR GRAVE WILL CAUSE MANY MANY PEOPLE TO WORSHIP HIM (THE ANTI-CHRIST)!
SO REMEMBER THAT I TOLD YOU THESE THINGS WHEN THE DAY ARRIVES!
AND REMEMBER THAT I TOLD YOU THESE THINGS WHEN YOU SEE THE
ANTI-CHRIST NOT ONLY WIN OVER THE SUPER DELEGATES OR WIN A NOMINATION OR AN ELECTION!
BUT ALSO WIN AND RISE ABOVE A FATAL DEATH AND BEAT THE ODDS OF IT!
BECAUSE THE DEATH THAT SHOULD HAVE PUT HIM OUT OF HIS MISERY IS SOMETHING THAT HE WILL BEAT THE ODDS OF BECAUSE YET AND STILL WHEN HE SHOULD HAVE BEEN DEAD HE WILL STILL LIVE AND BECOME LIKE PEOPLE’S WORSE NIGHT MARE!
NOT ONLY AMERICA’S WORSE NIGHTMARE BUT THE WHOLE WORLD’S
WORSE NIGHTMARE!
MARK MY WORDS IT WILL HAPPEN!
AND WHEN IT DOES LET YOUR MIND GO BACK AND THINK BACK TO THIS EMAIL THAT YOU ARE READING RIGHT NOW!
AND IN THE MEANTIME IT IS VERY SMART TO READ THE WHOLE CHAPTER OF REVELATIONS (CHAPTER 13) SO THAT YOU CAN KNOW HOW TO EDUCATE AND INFORM OTHERS SUCH AS YOUR FAMILY MEMBERS OR FRIENDS OR
CO-WORKERS OR SCHOOL-MATES AND EVEN YOUR ENEMIES!
BECAUSE I WOULDN’T WISH SEN. BARACK OBAMA (WHOM I CALL THE
ANTI-CHRIST) ON MY WORSE ENEMY!
BECAUSE HE WILL BE LIKE A BAD DREAM OR BAD NIGHTMARE THAT WE
HAVE NEVER HAD BEFORE!!
From: Mister Truthful
P.S.*** PLEASE EMAIL ME AT:
owens_ruben@yahoo.com
SO THAT I CAN ANSWER ANY OF YOUR
COMMENTS, CONCERNS OR QUESTIONS
ABOUT THE BEAST, THE ANTI-CHRIST,
THE MARK OF THE BEAST, THE TRIBULATION
THE WARS, THE EARTHQUAKES, THE END TIME,
HELL, THE RAPTURE OR THE NEW BABYLON!
BECAUSE THESE ARE THE THINGS THAT I HAVE STUDIED!
[.]
June 4th, 2008 at 2:40 pm
You mean like Reagan or McCain?
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June 4th, 2008 at 9:07 pm
I’m still blown away that grown men and woman are so easily taught to believe in nonsense. Ideas that make absolutely zero logical sense. We are witnessing the human race failing to release itself from the grasp of irrationality. I can only hope that eventually people stop believing in deities and start believing in the intellectual growth of our species. It should be evident that you cannot have both. Belief in a god is nothing more than a primitive security blanket.
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June 5th, 2008 at 12:51 am
The users aren’t nearly as endearing as Linus, though.
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June 5th, 2008 at 12:09 pm
I HAVE A THOUGHT AND ITS ONLY A THOUGHT WHAT IF OBAMA IS A FALSE PROFIT AND HIS VP IS THE ANTI-CHRIST AND IF SOME THING WOOD HAPPEN TO HIM THEN THE ANTI-CHRIST WOULD MOVE UP NO QUESTIONS ASKED PEOPLE WOULD HAVE TO EXCEPT HIM
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June 5th, 2008 at 12:36 pm
What you have there is a poorly spelt paranoid fantasy, aka ‘false thought’.
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June 5th, 2008 at 2:10 pm
SEN. BARACK OBAMA MAY BE THE ANTI-CHRIST BECAUSE:
HE COMES IN PEACE!!!!!!!!!!!!!
YES!! HE COMES IN PEACE!!
DON’T YOU REMEMBER THAT:
HE TALKS ABOUT PEACE!!
HE OFFERS PEACE TO AMERICA!!
HE OFFERS PEACE TO THE WORLD!!
HE SAYS HE WANTS PEACE IN IRAQ!!
HE CAMPAIGNS WITH PEACE INSTEAD OF LOW-CLASS SLANDER!!
HE REMAINS AT PEACE EVEN WHEN HIS POLL NUMBERS WERE DOWN!!
HE SAID HE WANTS TO HAVE A PEACE TALK WITH A GROUP
OR LEADER IN IRAN!
HE SAYS HE WANTS PEACE CONCERNING ISREAL!
HE SAYS HE AND HILLLLARY CLINTON CAN
SIT DOWN TOGETHER AND TALK AND MAKE PEACE WITH EACH OTHER!
HE SAYS THAT HE WANTED TO RUN A PEACEFUL CAMPAIGN!
HE SAYS HE WANTS PEACE FOR THE
CUBAN FAMILIES WHO WANT TO TRAVEL TO VISIT THEIR FAMILIES!
AND HE IS OFFERING US PEACE AT THE GAS PUMP
INSTEAD OF PAIN AT THE GAS PUMP!
————————————————
BUT GUESS WHAT?
———————————————-
I AM ABOUT 80% SURE THAT HE IS STILL
THE ANTI-CHRIST!!
THAT WILL IN THE FUTURE SHOW HIS TRUE
EVIL AND TURN ON THE WHOLE HUMAN
RACE (INCLUDING HIS OWN FAMILY, WIFE AND KIDS)!
SO LETS NOT LET ALL HIS PROMISES OF
PEACE FOOL OR DECEIVE US!
BECAUSE THE BIBLE HAS ALREADY LET US KNOW IN (DANIEL 8: 25) THAT:
THE ANTI-CHRIST WOULD COME IN PEACE OR USE PEACE TO DESTROY
MANY PEOPLE!
SO IF HE IS DOING JUST WHAT THE BIBLE SAID HE
WOULD DO, THEN THIS SHOULD BE A HINT TO US!!!
———————————————–
YES THE BIBLE LETS US KNOW THAT THE ANTI-CHRIST WILL COME
IN PEACE OR USE PEACE TO DESTROY MANY PEOPLE!
AND IT ALSO LETS US KNOW THAT AT ANY GIVEN MOMENT THAT
HE WILL BECOME EXALTED IN HIS HEART!
AND OH BOY!! LOOK OUT WORLD WHEN HE DOES!
YOU SHOULD DRED THE COMING OF THAT DAY!!
NOW WHY WILL HE (THE ANTI-CHRIST) BE ABLE TO USE
SOMETHING AS SWEET AS PEACE AND COMING IN PEACE
TO DESTROY PEOPLE WITH??
———————————————–
ITS SIMPLE:
IT’S BECAUSE NOT VERY MANY PEOPLE
WILL SUSPECT A PEACEFUL PERSON
THAT COMES IN PEACE AND OFFERS THEM PEACE!
NOW WOULD THEY!!!!!!!!!!
SO I WANT THE WHOLE WORLD TO PUT SENATOR BARACK OBAMA AT THE TOP OF THEIR SUSPECT LIST FOR BEING THE ANTI-CHRIST!
AND WHEN HE BEGINS TO CHANGE AND WHEN HE BEGINS TO ABUSE ALL
MANKIND AND WHEN HE BEGINS TO REQUIRE THAT ALL MANKIND WORSHIP
HIM!
THEN PLEASE THINK BACK TO THIS EMAIL THAT YOU ARE
READING RIGHT NOW!
AND DON’T SELL OUT YOUR ONE AND ONLY SOUL TO HIM!
P.S.—YES HE (SEN. BARACK OBAMA) IS
COMING TO US IN PEACE AND
WITH PEACE AND OFFERING
US PEACE!!
BUT WE MUST REMEMBER THAT
MANY MARRIAGES HAVE ALSO
STARTED OFF IN PEACE TOO
BUT THEY ENDED UP IN DESTRUCTION
AND DIVORCE! NOW DIDN’T THEY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
—————————————————————–
From: MISTER TRUTHFUL
owens_ruben@yahoo.com
PLEASE EMAIL ME WITH COMMENTS, CONCERNS OR QUESTIONS
CONCERNING THE END TIME!
BECAUSE THIS IS WHAT I HAVE STUDIED!!
[.]
June 5th, 2008 at 2:28 pm
LMAO Now that makes perfect sense.
Want some Kool-Aid?
[.]
June 5th, 2008 at 2:32 pm
I suppose I should vote for the candidate who *claims* to be the anti-christ, as that candidate will surely not actually be the anti-christ.
I’m still waiting for the faithful to explain why they *don’t* want the end time to come. From what I understand they should eagerly await it, but maybe want us heathens to change our ways so we won’t be left behind.
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June 5th, 2008 at 4:03 pm
From reading the books mentioned in the original post (lo these many moths ago), my impression is that they wouldn’t want to prevent the anti-christ from rising, they’d simply want to be able to identify him so they could act accordingly. If they were lucky, they would have been raptured up to heaven before it became an issue (as a side note to the Obama/anti-christ people, why hasn’t the rapture happened yet?) and if they weren’t lucky they’d have to suffer through the last seven years of Earth (not a fun time).
If you were raptured, it wouldn’t really matter if you’d spotted the anti-christ or not. You’d be in heaven… done deal. If you were not raptured and had to hang out here on earth, it would be important to align yourself with the right side, lest you be banished from the bizarre world that will be built after the apocalypse. You’re probably going to die during that last seven years, but you’ve got to stick to God’s good side up until that point.
[.]
June 5th, 2008 at 4:25 pm
Indeed. And on a side note, THE RAPTURE WILL NEVER HAPPEN BECAUSE IT’S FICTION!
[.]
June 5th, 2008 at 4:39 pm
So there’s some good but not-good-enough-to-be-raptured people left, and these folks are hedging their bets that they’ll be included in this set? What qualifies for rapturing inclusion? Or is this more of a Lutheran “no way to know, so you shouldn’t bother trying” attitude? And do the good-but-not-raptured really want to recruit us heathens to be on the side of good? Shouldn’t they just trust in the lord to deliver them to the right side?
TRUTH-dawg, howsabout addressing our issues rather than just cut-and-pasting for once?
[.]
June 5th, 2008 at 4:58 pm
The really good go up in the first wave. Those who are good but flawed, it seems, stick around and get through on the second wave assuming they don’t choose to follow the anti-christ.
This doesn’t count my favorite group: the 144,000 jews who act like crazy people the whole time. They get a free pass to heaven too.
[.]
June 5th, 2008 at 5:10 pm
DoorFrame, you might as well be talking abut the rules of dungeons and dragons.
What the hell does “jews who act like crazy people the whole time.” mean?
[.]
June 5th, 2008 at 5:16 pm
Again, my knowledge comes from reading a few bible based novels, but in the Christ Clone story they gathered together in Israel, wrote something on their heads in, I think, Hebrew, and then went around the world reading people’s minds, telling people all the bad things they had done in life, and just being generally freaky.
Then they went and hid in some ancient valley/city in Israel and waiting for the anti-christ to lead his armies against them.
Good times.
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June 5th, 2008 at 5:18 pm
EVERY DAY I READ I KEEP A CLOSE EYE ON WHAT IS HAPPEN AROUND ME I NO I PRAY I WILL NOT BE MISS LEAD BY THE ANTI-CHRIST I KNOW JESUS DIE ON THE CROSS FOR MY SALVATION SO THAT IT WOULD BE POSSIBLE FOR US TO ENTER HEAVEN AND I WILL DIE FOR JESUS IF NEED BE HE DID FOR ME I WILL NOT TAKE HIS MARK WILL NOT WORSHIP HIM WILL NOT GO WHEN THY SAY HE’S OVER HERE WILL NOT HAVE ANY THING TO DUE WITH HIM AT ALL I FILL THINGS HAVE GOTTEN WORSE SINCE HE’S BEEN RUNNING AND GETTING WORSE ALL THE TIME GAS,FOOD,PEOPLE LOSING THERE HOMES LOSING THERE JOBS AND BE LEAVE IT OR NOT PEOPLES ATTITUDES AS WELL THE WEATHER CHANCES I CAN’T EVEN BE LEAVE THAT ALL THE MINSTER DON’T EVEN FILL THE CHANCE AS SO MANY DUE
[.]
June 5th, 2008 at 5:24 pm
DoorFrame, Are you actually taking something you read in a novel and attempting to apply it as fact? You do realize somebody made all that stuff up, right?
[.]
June 5th, 2008 at 5:30 pm
As I said before, you should pay attention to who’s on your side and who’s not.
Yes, of course I know it was made up. I’m merely describing their beliefs as far as I know them based on what I read in a few novels. There’s a distinction between discussing someone’s beliefs and BELIEVING someone’s beliefs.
[.]
June 5th, 2008 at 9:04 pm
No need to be snippy Mr.!
[.]
June 5th, 2008 at 9:23 pm
This is his blog. He can do what he wants.
[.]
June 5th, 2008 at 9:37 pm
NO THY ARE MY OWN WORDS I COPED NO THEN AND GOD IS MY WITNESS TO THIS THERES A LOT MORE WITH IN ME THAT SOME DAY I MAY SHARE I ONLY HAVE A PEANUT BRAIN AND I REMEMBER WHAT I SEE AND HERE FROM THE NEWS AND WHAT PEOPLE SAY FROM THE BIBLE I OF COURSE CHECK IT OUT AND I LEARN TO SEEK AND I FINE ANSWERS AND A LOT OF MY ANSWERS COMES FROM PEOPLE LIKE YOU ALSO EVEN IF SOME SEEMS TO BE RUDE YOU CAN EVEN LEARN FROM THAT TO I ALSO LISTEN AND WAIT ON THE LORD
[.]
June 5th, 2008 at 9:46 pm
lol.
[.]
June 5th, 2008 at 9:48 pm
You’re going to be waiting for a very long time flybird.
[.]
June 5th, 2008 at 9:49 pm
Flybird,
Learn from Kathy hummel (e.g. comment 71). She shares your views and your style, but she types in all lowercase, god bless her. you can share your vision much more effectively that way.
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June 5th, 2008 at 11:25 pm
Note that DoorFrame doesn’t get an answer from these folks, either.
Could one of you who believe this stuff explain, if you’re a believer who’s going to be raptured and will never know the anti-christ or see the ‘final battle’ and the anti-christ is necessary for the ‘final battle’, why are you even bothering yourself worrying about who the anti-christ is and warning people to be afraid of Obama? It’s not as if you’ll get extra time to pack if you spot him first. There’s no prize for finding the unicorn hidden in the tree.
Why is this of such importance to you? And please don’t tell me it’s an intellectual exercise. That would be far too ironic.
[.]
June 5th, 2008 at 11:27 pm
Crazy Jews sound like fun, though….like a matinee buffet in the Poconos.
[.]
June 5th, 2008 at 11:28 pm
If he wasn’t already dead, I’m sure Zero Mostel would be among them.
[.]
June 5th, 2008 at 11:44 pm
[PSEUDOLUS]
Something familiar,
Something peculiar,
Something for everyone:
A comedy tonight!
Something appealing,
Something appalling,
Something for everyone:
A comedy tonight!
Nothing with kings, nothing with crowns;
Bring on the lovers, liars and clowns!
Old situations,
New complications,
Nothing portentous or polite;
Tragedy tomorrow,
Comedy tonight!
Something convulsive,
Something repulsive,
Something for everyone:
A comedy tonight!
Something aesthetic,
Something frenetic,
Something for everyone:
A comedy tonight!
Nothing with gods, nothing with fate;
Weighty affairs will just have to wait!
Nothing that’s formal,
Nothing that’s normal,
No recitations to recite;
Open up the curtain:
Comedy Tonight!
Something erratic,
Something dramatic,
Something for everyone:
A comedy tonight!
Frenzy and frolic,
Strictly symbolic,
Something for everyone:
A comedy tonight!
[ENTIRE COMPANY]
Something familiar,
Something peculiar,
Something for everybody:
Comedy tonight!
Something that’s gaudy,
Something that’s bawdy–
[PSEUDOLUS]
Something for everybawdy!
[ENTIRE COMPANY]
Comedy tonight!
[MILES GLORIOSUS]
Nothing that’s grim.
[DOMINA]
Nothing that’s Greek.
[PSEUDOLUS]
[Indicating DOMINA:]
She plays Medea later this week.
[WOMEN]
Stunning surprises!
[MEN]
Cunning disguises!
[ALL]
Hundreds of actors out of sight!
[ERRONIUS]
Pantaloons and tunics!
[SENEX]
Courtesans and eunuchs!
[HERO]
Funerals and chases!
[LYCUS]
Baritones and basses!
[PHILIA]
Panderers!
[HERO]
Philanderers!
[HYSTERIUM]
Cupidity!
[MILES]
Timidity!
[LYCUS]
Mistakes!
[ERRONIUS]
Fakes!
[DOMINA]
Rhymes!
[PHILIA]
Crimes!
[PSEUDOLUS]
Tumblers!
Grumblers!
Bumblers!
Fumblers!
[ALL]
No royal curse, no Trojan horse,
And a happy ending, of course!
Goodness and badness,
Panic is madness–
This time it all turns out all right!
Tragedy tomorrow,
Comedy tonight!
[.]
June 6th, 2008 at 12:08 am
http://youtube.com/watch?v=T-hZhr2k2hk
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June 6th, 2008 at 1:54 am
I have to admit that I have a bad feeling about Obama, and I have been thinking he maybe the evil one ( I’m black by the way), but walrus sd is the smartest thing I’ve heard on the subject, what if Obama is the evil one? What if anyone is. What in the hell are you gonna do about it? I say just enjoy life and stop wanting this to be a horror movie. Like I sd I have the same feeling, but if its true what the heck can I do about it. If the bible is true at all its a part that has to be played out, and I have alot more problems in my life right now.
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June 6th, 2008 at 3:32 am
aye-yai-yai
These people just worry me to death. Do we HAVE to keep playing with them? Can’t we send them all home to their mothers? Really, I think that’s the best place for them. Some nice cocoa and chocolate chip cookies and straight to bed for the lot of them.
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June 6th, 2008 at 11:52 am
I WOULD LIKE SOME COCOA AND CHOCOLATE CHIP COOKIES BUT IT WOULD NOT BE GOOD FOR MY DIET I CAN ONLY SPEAK FOR MY SELF HERE YOU HAVE NO THEN TO WORRY ABOUT FROM ME I AM JUST A PERSON THAT DON’T WANT TO BE COUGHT WITH MY PANTS DOWN COUGHT A SLEEP I WANT TO SEE WHATS COMING THERE IS NOT HEN I CAN DUE TO STOP IT IT’S GOING TO HAPPEN BUT WE ARE TO EDUCATE ARE SELFS AND BE READY AND KEEP TRYING TO HELP OTHERS THAT MIGHT READ FOR THE FIRST TIME ABOUT THIS I WOULD RATHER KNOW THEN TO WAKE UP ONE DAY AND FINE OUT I AM ALONE IN THIS WORLD OF NO GOOD THERE’S GOING TO BE SO MUCH HATED FOR PEOPLE THAT IS BE ON ARE UNDER STANDING THINGS THAT I WOULDN’T BE ABLE TO EXPLAIN
[.]
June 6th, 2008 at 12:38 pm
is it time to officially kill this thread? maybe put it in a lockbox?
[.]
June 6th, 2008 at 12:51 pm
wait, you guys are anti-chocolate, too? Oh, NOW we see the real reasons for your antipathy…
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June 6th, 2008 at 1:19 pm
HEY! I’ll do my shout out first, Walrus and Orlando you crack me up.
According to my sister in law, I am not going to heaven if I vote for the anti-christ. She read an article from the New York Sun by Ken Blackwell. Has anyone else read it? He is just as “flowery” as he claims about Obama.
Hello Lutherans out there. Did you know that Martin Luther was called the anti-christ by his contemporaries? Any Catholics out there? Did you know that just about every Pope in the last 50 years has been predicted to be the coming anti-christ. FAITH, I’ve got it and I am not worried. I just hope that people are educated enough to realize that this talk of the anti-christ is all scare tactic rhetoric.
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June 6th, 2008 at 1:53 pm
Thanks Garb! It’s been interesting. But I feel like this experience is akin to explaining evolutionary biology to a brick.
I’m so glad I directed the rumorsdaily emails to my junk-mail box. It’s like I have a dedicated place for this thread!
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June 6th, 2008 at 2:06 pm
JBG-
If you want to kill this thread, you better do it now.
Once these anti-christ anti-Obama people have their way and McCain is elected, he’ll appoint another judge that is against the killing of this thread and there will be no more lockboxes allowed in this country. He has stated is a firm believer in the rights of the unborn drivel and we won’t be able to use the killing this thread as ‘rant control’.
There will be thousands more pregnant pauses per year in the US as people are forced to bring their idiotic notions to life. With so many unwanted inane arguments entering the world, other people will be forced to adopt them. People will have to resort to sneaking around back alleys to throw their unformed anti-christ postulates in the dumpsters of America and rational thinkers will fined or jailed for attempting to cut off illogical thought.
If you doubt this, look his ’spiritual advisors’, Hagee and Parsley. They are firmly against the killing of crazy postulates and pray that more will be allowed to come full-term and be brought into the world.
Oh, the humanity…inanity…insanity…Sean Hannity!
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June 6th, 2008 at 2:08 pm
Typo alert…”the killing (of) this thread”
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June 6th, 2008 at 2:13 pm
Careful, Orlando, you don’t want to alienate the Benevolent Order Of Bricks!
And thanks, GARB. I do what I can. I do what I can. (sigh)
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June 6th, 2008 at 2:17 pm
I STRONGLY STRONGLY BELIEVE THAT
SEN. BARACK OBAMA IS THE ANTI-CHRIST!
AND WHEN HE RISES TO POWER I STRONGLY
FEEL LIKE HE WILL HAVE MANY OF THE
FOLLOWING CHARACTERISTICS! **SO WATCH OUT!!
A—-ARROGANT, AGGREVATING, AUTHORITATIVE & ATHEIST.
N—-NASTY W/ NUCLEAR WEAPONS & NON-NEGOTIABLE.
T—-TYRANNT AND TERRORIST.
I—–INSAINE & IKKEY (BUT) ICON.
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C—-CUTE, CUDDLY, COOL, CALM , COLLECT & COLLEGE GRADUATE.
H—-HANDSOME (BUT) HATEFUL.
R—-RUDE & RUTHLESS & RADICAL.
I—- INTELLIGENT & IRRESISTIBLE.
S— SOUL-DECEIVER & SOUL-DESTROYER.
T— TOO TOO MUCH TO HANDLE WITHOUT
GOD IN YOUR LIFE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
FROM: Mister Truthful
EMAIL: owens_ruben@yahoo.com
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June 6th, 2008 at 2:19 pm
I STRONGLY STRONGLY BELIEVE THAT
SEN. BARACK OBAMA IS THE ANTI-CHRIST!
AND WHEN HE RISES TO POWER I STRONGLY
FEEL LIKE HE WILL HAVE MANY OF THE
FOLLOWING CHARACTERISTICS! **SO WATCH OUT!!
A—-ARROGANT, AGGREVATING, AUTHORITATIVE & ATHEIST.
N—-NASTY W/ NUCLEAR WEAPONS & NON-NEGOTIABLE.
T—-TYRANNT AND TERRORIST.
I—–INSAINE & IKKEY (BUT) ICON.
—————————————————————–
C—-CUTE, CUDDLY, COOL, CALM , COLLECT & COLLEGE GRADUATE.
H—-HANDSOME (BUT) HATEFUL.
R—-RUDE & RUTHLESS & RADICAL.
I—- INTELLIGENT & IRRESISTIBLE.
S— SOUL-DECEIVER & SOUL-DESTROYER.
T— TOO TOO MUCH TO HANDLE WITHOUT
GOD IN YOUR LIFE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
FROM: Mister Truthful
EMAIL: owens_ruben@yahoo.com
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June 6th, 2008 at 2:22 pm
I STRONGLY STRONGLY BELIEVE THAT
SEN. BARACK OBAMA IS THE ANTI-CHRIST!
AND WHEN HE RISES TO POWER I STRONGLY
FEEL LIKE HE WILL HAVE MANY OF THE
FOLLOWING CHARACTERISTICS! **SO WATCH OUT!!
A—-ARROGANT, AGGREVATING, AUTHORITATIVE & ATHEIST.
N—-NASTY W/ NUCLEAR WEAPONS & NON-NEGOTIABLE.
T—-TYRANNT AND TERRORIST.
I—–INSAINE & IKKEY (BUT) ICON.
—————————————————————–
C—-CUTE, CUDDLY, COOL, CALM , COLLECT & COLLEGE GRADUATE.
H—-HANDSOME (BUT) HATEFUL.
R—-RUDE & RUTHLESS & RADICAL.
I—- INTELLIGENT & IRRESISTIBLE.
S— SOUL-DECEIVER & SOUL-DESTROYER.
T— TOO TOO MUCH TO HANDLE WITHOUT
GOD IN YOUR LIFE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
FROM: Mister Truthful
EMAIL: owens_ruben@yahoo.com
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June 6th, 2008 at 2:39 pm
You’ve outdone yourself. That’s the most…
S – SILLY & SORRY
T- TIRESOME & TEDIOUS
U – USELESS & UNNECESSARY
P – PATHETIC & PITIFUL
I – IDIOTIC & IRRATIONAL
D – DESPERATE & DUMB
…thing you’ve posted here.
LMAO that you think Barack is cuddly, though.
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June 6th, 2008 at 2:40 pm
You’ve outdone yourself. That’s the most…
S – SILLY & SORRY
T- TIRESOME & TEDIOUS
U – USELESS & UNNECESSARY
P – PATHETIC & PITIFUL
I – IDIOTIC & IRRATIONAL
D – DESPERATE & DUMB
…thing you’ve posted here.
LMAO that you think Barack is cuddly, though.
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June 6th, 2008 at 2:42 pm
You’ve outdone yourself. That’s the most…
S – SILLY & SORRY
T- TIRESOME & TEDIOUS
U – USELESS & UNNECESSARY
P – PATHETIC & PITIFUL
I – IDIOTIC & IRRATIONAL
D – DESPERATE & DUMB
…thing you’ve posted here.
LMAO that you think Barack is cuddly, though.
Cut and paste…the two best friends of the wackos.
:-p
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June 6th, 2008 at 3:00 pm
Mr. Walrus, you have been officially upgraded to the status of Super Awesome Guy! Congrats! Have you ever heard the rantings of a man named Pat Condell? I highly recommended googleing him, he’s pretty funny. lol, googleing! I love it.
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June 6th, 2008 at 3:12 pm
SPEAKING OF: BARACK–HUSSEIN–OBAMA WHOM I
STRONGLY BELIEVE IS THE ANTI-CHRIST
BECAUSE:
—————————————————————
IN THE WORD (BARACK)—-I CAN SEE THE WORD (ROCK)!
WHY?— BECAUSE HE WILL THINK HE IS THE “ROCK OF AGES OR
THE “ROCK OF JESUS” ONCE HE RISES TO POWER!!
—————————————————————
IN THE WORD (HUSSEIN)—-I CAN SEE THE WORD (INSANE)!
WHY?—BECAUSE HE WILL BE INSANE ENOUGH TO FORCE PEOPLE
TO FALL DOWN & WORSHIP HIM AS IF HE IS GOD!!
—————————————————————
IN THE WORD (OBAMA)—-I CAN SEE THE WORD (BOMB)!
WHY?—BECAUSE HE WILL BLOW THE (U.S.A) UP WITH BOMBS &
WEAPONS OF MASS DESTRUCTION!
—————————————————————
SO DON’T VOTE FOR HIM!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
FROM: Mister Truthful
EMAIL: owens_ruben@yahoo.com
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June 6th, 2008 at 3:13 pm
SPEAKING OF: BARACK–HUSSEIN–OBAMA WHOM I
STRONGLY BELIEVE IS THE ANTI-CHRIST
BECAUSE:
—————————————————————
IN THE WORD (BARACK)—-I CAN SEE THE WORD (ROCK)!
WHY?— BECAUSE HE WILL THINK HE IS THE “ROCK OF AGES OR
THE “ROCK OF JESUS” ONCE HE RISES TO POWER!!
—————————————————————
IN THE WORD (HUSSEIN)—-I CAN SEE THE WORD (INSANE)!
WHY?—BECAUSE HE WILL BE INSANE ENOUGH TO FORCE PEOPLE
TO FALL DOWN & WORSHIP HIM AS IF HE IS GOD!!
—————————————————————
IN THE WORD (OBAMA)—-I CAN SEE THE WORD (BOMB)!
WHY?—BECAUSE HE WILL BLOW THE (U.S.A) UP WITH BOMBS &
WEAPONS OF MASS DESTRUCTION!
—————————————————————
SO DON’T VOTE FOR HIM!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
FROM: Mister Truthful
EMAIL: owens_ruben@yahoo.com
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June 6th, 2008 at 3:13 pm
Thanks you, but…
My name ain’t Mr. Walrus. It’s Walrus. Miss Walrus, if you’re nasty!
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June 6th, 2008 at 3:17 pm
Oh! My apologies, Miss Walrus.
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June 6th, 2008 at 3:25 pm
Well,
in the word Mister – I can see the word Hister (why? because you’re a thread Nazi) and
in the word TRUTH – I can see the word doofus (why? Isn’t it obvious?) and
in FUL – I can see you’re full of ….well, let’s just say ‘it’ (why? Do you really have to ask?)
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June 6th, 2008 at 3:36 pm
Some on this thread might be interested in the service offered here:
http://www.youvebeenleftbehind.com/
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June 6th, 2008 at 3:49 pm
ROTFLMAO!!!!
Not only is this a $40/year scam to prey on the same nitwits who send their last penny to the TV shysters…oops I meant preachers…with 3 houses and 2 boats, but logic would dictate that, since I don’t think there is a rapture-recognizer software program, some non-believing sinner will be the one left behind to forward your email. Deeeeee-lightful!
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June 6th, 2008 at 3:51 pm
If only it came with a ‘Crazy Jew of the Day’ newsletter and the ability to mapquest the Army of Darkness in real time. Or are they developing a Premium Subscriber program for that?
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June 6th, 2008 at 4:38 pm
CONCERNING THE ANTI-CHRIST!
REMEMBER: SIX SIX SIX
IS SICK SICK SICK!
AND WILL COST YOU YOUR
SOUL SOUL SOUL!
AND THIS IS
SAD SAD SAD!
SO DON’T RECEIVE THIS MARK PLEASE!!
FROM: Mister Truthful
EMAIL: owens_ruben@yahoo.com
WRITE SOON SOON SOON!
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June 6th, 2008 at 4:38 pm
CONCERNING THE ANTI-CHRIST!
REMEMBER: SIX SIX SIX
IS SICK SICK SICK!
AND WILL COST YOU YOUR
SOUL SOUL SOUL!
AND THIS IS
SAD SAD SAD!
SO DON’T RECEIVE THIS MARK PLEASE!!
FROM: Mister Truthful
EMAIL: owens_ruben@yahoo.com
WRITE SOON SOON SOON!
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June 6th, 2008 at 4:59 pm
MY FEELINGS ABOUT THE ANTI-CHRIST
ARE AS FOLLOWS:——————–
—————————————–
BARACK RHYMES WITH SHOCK!
BARACK RHYMES WITH SHOCK!
BARACK RHYMES WITH SHOCK!
*SO BE PREPARED FOR THE TERRIBLE
STATE OF SHOCK THAT HE WILL PUT
YOU IN!
—————————————-
HUSSEIN RYHMES WITH PAIN!
HUSSEIN RHYMES WITH PAIN!
HUSSEIN RHYMES WITH PAIN!
*SO BE PREPARES FOR THE TERRIBLE
PAIN THAT HE WILL CAUSE YOU!
——————————————
OBAMA RHYMES WITH DRAMA!
OBAMA RHYMES WITH DRAMA!
OBAMA RHYMES WITH DRAMA!
*SO BE PREPARED FOR THE TERRIBLE
DRAMA THAT HE WILL BRING ON THE SCENE!
———————————————————
FROM: Mister Truthful
EMAIL: owens_ruben@yahoo.com
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June 6th, 2008 at 4:59 pm
MY FEELINGS ABOUT THE ANTI-CHRIST
ARE AS FOLLOWS:——————–
—————————————–
BARACK RHYMES WITH SHOCK!
BARACK RHYMES WITH SHOCK!
BARACK RHYMES WITH SHOCK!
*SO BE PREPARED FOR THE TERRIBLE
STATE OF SHOCK THAT HE WILL PUT
YOU IN!
—————————————-
HUSSEIN RYHMES WITH PAIN!
HUSSEIN RHYMES WITH PAIN!
HUSSEIN RHYMES WITH PAIN!
*SO BE PREPARES FOR THE TERRIBLE
PAIN THAT HE WILL CAUSE YOU!
——————————————
OBAMA RHYMES WITH DRAMA!
OBAMA RHYMES WITH DRAMA!
OBAMA RHYMES WITH DRAMA!
*SO BE PREPARED FOR THE TERRIBLE
DRAMA THAT HE WILL BRING ON THE SCENE!
———————————————————
FROM: Mister Truthful
EMAIL: owens_ruben@yahoo.com
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June 6th, 2008 at 5:03 pm
There is a video game called “Left Behind: Eternal Forces” It’s basically kill those who you can’t convert. Unbelievable.
from a review,
“…How goofy is this tale? Well, the battleground between the true believers’ Tribulation Force and the Antichrist’s Global Community Peacekeepers is a heathenish New York City. Your units include gospel-singing musicians, missionaries, healers, and medics. Enemy units feature college-trained secularists, devils, and foul-mouthed rock stars with their electric twangers. Stereotypes are everywhere. New Yawkers speak with such cheesy accents that they should be driving Brooklyn cabs in 1954 while chewing on unlit stogies. Similarly, the game has a 1950s-style attitude about men and women. Only males can become priestlike disciples and handyman builders, whereas only women can become nurses. Female units are actually designated as such and given ridiculous titles like “Friend Woman” and “Medic Woman,” a sexual distinction that unsurprisingly isn’t extended to their male counterparts. Finally, the game isn’t politically correct when it comes to race, either, because a fair number of the bad guys bear Arab and African names.
Given the game’s Christian devotion, your goal is not to wipe out the enemy as in a typical RTS game but to convert as many neutrals and baddies as possible by raising their spirit level. You seek out these people and directly target the ones you want to save with the recruit ability. If all goes well, he or she will soon be turned into a friend in either a Ned Flanders-like sweater ensemble or a sensible skirt and pumps. These drones can then be sent to training centers for instruction in their new Christ-inspired careers. Soon you’ve got builders turning abandoned buildings into resource-producing venues, such as food-making cafés and money-making banks, as well as soldiers patrolling the streets. You also have special forces, such as recruiters, influencers, and healers, doing their bit for the cause….”
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June 6th, 2008 at 5:08 pm
Sick, soul, sad, shock, pain, drama…sounds like Liza Minelli’s last marriage.
OMG, David Gest is the anti-christ!
And to think we all just thought he was gay…
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June 6th, 2008 at 5:19 pm
THE ANTI-CHRIST BEAST
WILL NOT BRING PEACE!!!!!!!!!!!!
BUT ONLY GOD WILL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
SO DON’T BE DECEIVED!!!!!!!!!!!!
FROM: Mister Truthful
EMAIL: owens_ruben@yahoo.com
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June 6th, 2008 at 5:20 pm
THE ANTI-CHRIST BEAST
WILL NOT BRING PEACE!!!!!!!!!!!!
BUT ONLY GOD WILL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
SO DON’T BE DECEIVED!!!!!!!!!!!!
FROM: Mister Truthful
EMAIL: owens_ruben@yahoo.com
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June 6th, 2008 at 5:26 pm
SENATOR BARACK OBAMA
———-OR—— ——
SINNER BARACK OBAMA
WILL BE LETHAL & DESTRUCTIVE
ONCE HE RISES TO FULL POWER!!
SO DON’T GET LEFT BEHIND!
BUT GO BACK WITH JESUS!
FROM: Mister Truthful
EMAIL: owens_ruben@yahoo.com
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June 6th, 2008 at 5:26 pm
SENATOR BARACK OBAMA
———-OR—— ——
SINNER BARACK OBAMA
WILL BE LETHAL & DESTRUCTIVE
ONCE HE RISES TO FULL POWER!!
SO DON’T GET LEFT BEHIND!
BUT GO BACK WITH JESUS!
FROM: Mister Truthful
EMAIL: owens_ruben@yahoo.com
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June 6th, 2008 at 5:32 pm
Excellent find, Orlando!
Not only do you have the option of being “a saint instead of a warlock”, as one of the RTS geeks mumbles in the promo video, and get to listen to wonderful audio of street preachers crying, “I lift my voice in song!” over the hypnotic, repetitious soundtrack, but you can get it for free!
~~FREE! LEFT BEHIND: Eternal Forces Million Games Giveaway is now available for a limited time for a nominal shipping and processing fee (see features, minimum system requirements and screenshots below). There is no limit to how many you can order! We are now offering online discounts for bulk orders in the continental U.S. If you are interested in ordering 100 units or more, please select 100 unit increments up to 1000 and your charge for shipping and processing will be only $1.99/unit!~~
I don’t need to bother to point out the irony that, in this game, the preachers are left on Earth AFTER the rapture, do I?
Side note…
Did you notice that Charlie Church Mouse doesn’t have a problem using the knowlegde of secular scientists when he needs a jetpack or that there’s a guy climbing a tree like a monkey? Damn evolutionist programmer!
SO
For the latest in scary, old trolls pawning off stupid games on unsuspecting grandchildren, visit…. http://www.leftbehindgames.com TODAY!
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June 6th, 2008 at 5:36 pm
WARNING: Side effects include your grandkids murdering you in your sleep, either because they think your present of a rapture game sucks or they’ve bought into the religious frenzy and think you’re the anti-christ.
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June 6th, 2008 at 5:39 pm
And if DDR doesn’t ‘do it’ for you…
There’s DANCE PRAISE!
~~Turn Your Computer into a Dance Arcade with Top Christian Hits! Get ready for hours of family fun with music worth listening to! Simply plug in the interactive dance pad into the USB port of your computer and start movin’ and groovin’ to over 50 Christian songs from your favorite artists! Buy an additional Dance pad for duel dancing with your friends. Includes 1 Dance Pad. Includes Music From Your Favorite Christian Artists: 4th Avenue Jones’
Audio Adrenaline
David Crowder* Band
Earthsuit
John Reuben
Newsboys
PAX217
Sarah Kelly
Starfield
The Benjamin Gate
The Katinas
Verbs
Andy hunter°
Bleach
DJ Maj
Hawk Nelson
Liquid
Out of Eden
Sanctus Real
Seven Day Jesus
Steven Curtis Chapman
The Elms
TobyMac
ZOEgirl.~~
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June 6th, 2008 at 5:43 pm
WARNING: Side effects include God striking you dead becasue you have no rhythm, developing a bad taste in music and another excuse for pedophile priests to spend time with your kids….”We were just dancing” – Father Peter
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June 6th, 2008 at 6:10 pm
As any one seen the stock market today down almost 400 points and gas rose about 11.00 a barrow not to say what it will due on the food and everything else that has to due with oil this country is going to be taken to the ground just in time for the anti-Christ to step in to take care of all the problems that we may face bring us down to not hen and show us how he can make it all better don’t let him full you all this big time soft has all started I would say Jan 2008 slowly before then thats why people want change thy all want this pain to stop and make a better life for them a better future to be able to have more to be equal some will sell there souls to just have thy will be leave in him people don’t seem to under stand through Christ we are rich we have the moon we have all we need as long as we have him we have the world I could go on and on about my god but not now
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June 6th, 2008 at 6:58 pm
This all started years ago when Republicans, with the help of some idiot Democrats, deregulated industries and allowed megamergers. Jan 2008 was only the start of the most recent symptoms that you are following corrupt moneygrubbers who cloak themselves in religion and the flag.
Again I ask…if you are a Christian, saved by Christ, and the rapture and anti-christ are biblical prophesy signalling the ‘end of days’ when you will be taken to heaven to sit with God, then why are you worried about an anti-christ? You should be thrilled that the prophesy you believe in is coming true…if you’re right about Obama, that is.
Otherwise, you have dishonored your savior’s teachings by erroneously judging an innocent man. So your best bet at this point would be to stop judging Obama, witness to other people who know nothing about history or politics or economics and await the rapture, don’t you think?
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June 6th, 2008 at 9:04 pm
I be leave In the post rapture [ catched up] I be leave we will see the anti-Christ or why else would it be written for us to read so maybe I am judging Obama as just about everyone I read about on this web is always saying something about some one cutting down them for there belif but still and all theres good in every one on this web I know that even though I don’t know each per sonly I read the book of rev. a lot each time I due I fine something else and I read Jer.36 and i can’t help it that I fill he fits it and yes all this started a long time ago I fill those were birth pains as the bible talks about as a women gets closer to given birth thy get stronger and stronger until she as the baby its the same here are troubles started out little kept getting worse and worse until their here now and only going to get worse until the lord comes for his people we are to stand fast and wait on the lord at lease thats what I take out of what I read the anti-christ steps in fixes all the problems and gives people
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June 6th, 2008 at 9:10 pm
hope that there looking for again this time thy fill it would be better we could really have something going here we could point out things to help each other each give what thy think and there could be good that comes out of us I also fill that we are sub post to spread gods word tell what we know so when the time comes the blood won’t be on our heads we did what we were told to due so if I am a nut thats ok I can just think what others may have been called
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June 7th, 2008 at 12:05 am
There is a difference between calling someone who believes a book to be accurate that has, in places, already proven to be inaccurate a ‘fruitfly’ and calling a man an anti-christ. I don’t literally mean that person is a fruitfly. It is a fanciful way of saying he’s nutty. Saying he’s nutty doesn’t mean he’s filled with nuts. It’s a fanciful way of saying that person may have some mental problems. Saying someone is the anti-christ with nothing to base it on except a gut feeling and some vague prophesy that doesn’t directly reference that person is an abomination and so rude and cruel and self-involved it is beyond my scope of understanding.
Also, the people here that I have insulted are the people who have already labeled Obama as the anti-christ. If you don’t want to be insulted, then don’t condemn a man without any proof. Tit for tat, flybird.
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June 7th, 2008 at 10:10 am
I was wondering to those that are interested in reading about obamas past, things he’s done things he said his family and so on go to don’t vote obama.net theres a lot about him there
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June 7th, 2008 at 6:32 pm
You would be better served and get a more accurate picture of Obama if you read about his past and things he and his family said from encyclopedias and news articles, instead of a website with an agenda that posts interpretations of what Obama said and clipped quotes without the full text, in additon to articles written by Rush, Buchanan and Ann Coulter, one of the most outrageous, hateful faux journalists alive today. What you have here is a propaganda site with a touch of Nostradamus to add a little flavor of fear. It’s very handy for people who want to be told what to think, instead of do the work to investigate the facts on their own, though. They also purport to be a group of Clinton voters who will never vote for Obama. Odd that their featured articles are written by Republicans, no? And I love how they claim Obama is anti-Jew and yet have several artilcles by Pat Buchanan posted!
Here are some tidbits of wisdom by Buchanan…
The Buchanan ‘96 campaign’s World Wide Web site included an article blaming the death of White House aide Vincent Foster on the Israeli intelligence agency, Mossad — and alleging that Foster and Hillary Clinton were Mossad spies. (The campaign removed the article after its existence was reported by a Jewish on-line news service; Jewish Telegraphic Agency, 2/21/96.)
Writing of “group fantasies of martyrdom,” Buchanan challenged the historical record that thousands of Jews were gassed to death by diesel exhaust at Treblinka: “Diesel engines do not emit enough carbon monoxide to kill anybody.” (New Republic, 10/22/90) Buchanan’s columns have run in the Liberty Lobby’s Spotlight, the German-American National PAC newsletter and other publications that claim Nazi death camps are a Zionist concoction.
In Right from the Beginning, Buchanan refers to Spanish dictator Francisco Franco as a “Catholic savior.” He called Franco, along with Chile’s Gen. Pinochet, “soldier-patriots.” (syndicated column 9/17/89) Both men overthrew democracy in their countries.
Buchanan, shortly before he announced he was running for president in 1995: “You just wait until 1996, then you’ll see a real right-wing tyrant.” (The Nation, 6/26/95)
and Ann Coulter…
“These people can’t even wrap up genocide. We’ve been hearing about this slaughter in Darfur forever — and they still haven’t finished. The aggressors are moving like termites across that country. It’s like genocide by committee. Who’s running this holocaust in Darfur, FEMA? This is truly a war in which we have absolutely no interest.”
“The ethic of conservation is the explicit abnegation of man’s dominion over the Earth. The lower species are here for our use. God said so: Go forth, be fruitful, multiply, and rape the planet — it’s yours. That’s our job: drilling, mining and stripping. Sweaters are the anti-Biblical view. Big gas-guzzling cars with phones and CD players and wet bars — that’s the Biblical view.”
” They’re [Democrats] always accusing us of repressing their speech. I say let’s do it. Let’s repress them. Frankly, I’m not a big fan of the First Amendment. ”
“I think the government should be spying on all Arabs, engaging in torture as a televised spectator sport, dropping daisy cutters wantonly throughout the Middle East, and sending liberals to Guantanamo. ”
“It would be a much better country if women did not vote. That is simply a fact.”
“I think our motto should be, post-9-11, ‘raghead talks tough, raghead faces consequences.’ We should invade their countries, kill their leaders and convert them to Christianity. ”
Nice choice, flybird. You hit the wacko motherload!
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June 8th, 2008 at 2:20 am
Wow, what a blog, I truly enjoyed the varied opinions. I’m a newbee to this. I consider myself a Christian at heart, but I’m not a “born again”. I think of the Bible and what it says and stands for more in metaphorical terms. In the New Testament Jesus taught his followers with parable storytelling, and I interpret the Bible likewise. I do not go to church, nor do I try to convert people. I’m sure I’ll be “left behind” if a literal rapture actually takes place. I don’t say “God Bless” and am normally suspicious of people who do. However, I would be dishonest to say that the idea that Obama is the antichrist has not crossed my mind. In fact tonight, insomnia getting the better of me, I Googled Obama antichrist. That’s how I got here. The crowds and associations, the charisma, the Christ-like adoration showed this relatively mediocre man of few important accomplishments (not withstanding his first black Democrat nominee status) puzzles me. I never thought I would say such a thing, I never felt this way before about anybody, but I’d feel more comfortable with (excuse me while I vomit) Hillary. The irony of it all. Okay lions, tear me apart now. I’m sure I’ll get it from anarchists and born agains alike. But keep in mind you’ll be preaching to the chorus, because I’ll probably never check back. I’m a one night stand!
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June 8th, 2008 at 10:25 am
>quickly passing the sleeping pills around<
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June 8th, 2008 at 2:32 pm
Mediocre:
1. of only ordinary or moderate quality; neither good nor bad; barely adequate.
2. rather poor or inferior.
Here are your candidates (info courtesy of Wikipedia). Which one is mediocre?
A. he did well in academic subjects that interested him, such as literature and history, but studied only enough to pass subjects he didn’t like, such as math
B. president of the Harvard Law Review, graduated with a J.D. magna cum laude from Harvard
A. as chairman of the Senate Commerce Committee, he was criticized for accepting funds from corporations and businesses under the committee’s purview
B. he recruited a team of established, high-level advisers devoted to broad themes that exceeded the usual requirements of an incoming first-term senator and had his bill to eliminate gifts of travel on corporate jets by lobbyists to members of Congress and require disclosure of bundled campaign contributions under the “Honest Leadership and Open Government Act” signed into law in 2007
A. as a POW he was subjected to repeated beatings and rope bindings, after four days, he made an anti-American propaganda “confession”. Other American POWs were similarly tortured and maltreated in order to extract “confessions” and propaganda statements, with many enduring even worse treatment, he went to work for his new father-in-law’s distributorship because he was interested in current events, was ready for a new challenge, and had developed political ambitions during his time as Senate liaison and had set his sights on becoming a Congressman. There he gained political support among the local business community, meeting powerful figures such as banker Charles Keating
B. in his first 3 years in the Senate he co-sponsored a bill that authorized the establishment of USAspending.gov, sponsored legislation requiring plant owners to notify state and local authorities of radioactive leaks, sponsored the “Iran Sanctions Enabling Act” supporting divestment of state pension funds from Iran’s oil and gas industry, and joined Republican Chuck Hagel of Nebraska in introducing legislation to reduce risks of nuclear terrorism, held assignments on the Senate Committees for Foreign Relations, Environment and Public Works and Veterans’ Affairs through December 2006. In January 2007, he left the Environment and Public Works committee and took additional assignments with Health, Education, Labor and Pensions and Homeland Security and Governmental Affairs. He also became Chairman of the Senate’s subcommittee on European Affairs. As a member of the Senate Foreign Relations Committee, he has made official trips to Eastern Europe, the Middle East, and Africa. In August 2005, he traveled to Russia, Ukraine, and Azerbaijan. The trip focused on strategies to control the world’s supply of conventional weapons, biological weapons, and weapons of mass destruction as a first defense against terrorist attacks. Following meetings with U.S. military in Kuwait and Iraq in January 2006, he visited Jordan, Israel, and the Palestinian territories. At a meeting with Palestinian students two weeks before Hamas won the legislative election, he warned that “the U.S. will never recognize winning Hamas candidates unless the group renounces its fundamental mission to eliminate Israel.” He left for his third official trip in August 2006, traveling to South Africa, Kenya, Djibouti, Ethiopia and Chad. In a speech at the University of Nairobi, he spoke about political corruption and ethnic rivalries.
A. he became enmeshed in a scandal during the 1980s when he was one of five United States Senators comprising the so-called “Keating Five” & was rebuked by the Senate Ethics Committee for exercising “poor judgment”
B. he was an early opponent of the Bush administration’s policies on Iraq. On October 2, 2002, the day President Bush and Congress agreed on the joint resolution authorizing the Iraq War, he addressed the first high-profile Chicago anti-Iraq War rally in Federal Plaza, speaking out against the war
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June 8th, 2008 at 2:39 pm
I see a lot I here a lot and I read a lot and this is the first time I’ve been so interested in any thing other then the bible end times interesting to me the most and hearing what every one else saids and thinks is at times encouraging obama is one step closer to becoming the president and waiting to see if Hillary will be his VP I sure every one knows that the stock market dropped almost400 points the gas,food and every thing else that in voles gas will be raising the bible saids my words a days pay for a loaf of bread sure does sound like these days well things are going to get much higher then thy are now people are losing there jobs,there homes there way of life what better way for a man to come on the sense and have all the answers to all the problems when the united states is on her knees down and out people will except any one that can help them give them what thy need thy may even sell there souls to him if he would take them the bible talks about things hurting a little then a little harder then on and on there like birth pains thy start out mild and harder and harder the its born
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June 8th, 2008 at 5:50 pm
So because you are finally interested in something other than the Bible, it must be the work of the anti-christ?
I have only been eating Arnold rye and wheat breads, but found that I’m really drawn to the Pepperidge Farm Oat bread this past week. They were out of my regular breads and for some reason I was uncontrollably drawn to the PF oat bread. Oat bread! I had heard it was good for you, but had never had the urge to try it before. I immediately took it off the shelf, bought it and brought it home. Within days I had finished the loaf! I actually looked for excuses to have toast with my meals! Now I can’t wait to get back to the store to buy more PF oat bread. It must be manna from Satan!
Thank you, flybird, for showing me the danger in trying something new or developing new interests. I’ll stay stuck in a rut where it’s safe, like you do.
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June 8th, 2008 at 7:04 pm
It just might be manna from Satan since he does what god can due whats your thought on these higher prices also the stock market I keep a open mind as much as possible I not a church going type of person I due be leave in my god yes I due read and try to understand it I guess under everything else I am a human and I try to understand people were there coming from but never could under stand were their going and I never give up on people I don’t try to cut down no more then I would like to be cut down I pray that I will always be respectful to people I enjoy talking with you and for some reason i fill I just might learn something from you i fill that would be good
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June 9th, 2008 at 6:59 am
Learn this: it’s ‘feel’ not ‘fill’. New lesson tomorrow.
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June 9th, 2008 at 11:14 am
REMEMBER:
OBAMA RHYMES WITH TRAUMA!
WHY?–BECAUSE HE WILL CAUSE THE WHOLE
WORLD TO EXPERIENCE TRAUMA LIKE
NEVER BEFORE!!
SO DON’T MISS THE RAPTURE PLEASE!!
AND DON’T VOTE FOR HIM PLEASE!!
FROM: Mister Truthful
EMAIL: owens_ruben@yahoo.com
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June 9th, 2008 at 12:03 pm
I agree with you mister Truthful I won’t vote for him . We must get ready there are hard times a head be live it or not there coming. I don’t know what people be leave ,but I be leave were in trouble but as long as we be leave in our lord, ,and know what he want through for us then what were going to go through will be a drop in the bucket. God said he will not put us through know more then we can handle. The food,gas,houses being lost,jobs lost family’s being tore apart there going to appose a new world order on use I fill a new way of life there going to tell us this is a better way to live everyone will have peace all races we’ll have all the food we need gas we need jobs for every one every one will agree on one god no problems with are beliefs it will sound so good but yet so wrong you all can call me what ever you want but I know its all wrong every day I pray I won’t go down that road because that road will take me to hell not to heaven and thats the direction I pray I heading the bible saids my words theres going to be people left behind because thy thought thy were going to heaven
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June 9th, 2008 at 1:15 pm
I CERTAINLY BELIEVE THAT
SEN. BARACK OBAMA WILL BE:
THE ANTI-CHRIST!
AND THE ANTI-CHRISTIAN!
BECAUSE I BLIEVE THAT HE WILL TRY TO IMPOSE THE
“ISLAM” RELIGION ON THE WHOLE WIDE WORLD WHEN HE
PUTS IT UNDER A ONE-WORLD GOVERNMENT!
WITH HIMSELF BEING THE LEADER OFCOURSE!!
AND I BELIEVE THAT HE WILL THEN TAKE AWAY ALL BIBLES
AND REPLACE THEM WITH THE KORAN!
SO START READING AS MUCH OF YOUR BIBLE NOW AS YOU
POSSIBLY CAN!
BECAUSE ONE DAY SEN. BARACK OBAMA (THE ANTI-CHRIST)
MAY TAKE THEM AWAY FROM YOU!!
FROM: Mister Truthful
EMAIL: owens_ruben@yahoo.com
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June 9th, 2008 at 2:21 pm
If flybird and Mister TRUTHFUL want to vote for a proven liar and warmonger, because ‘charasmatic black man = antichrist’ to them, then so be it. Let’s all face the truth first, though.
Iran can threaten Israel because the US, under Reagan and Bush, gave them money and weapons in a little thing called the Iran-Contra scandal to free the US hostages from Iran. The US, under Reagan and Bush, sold Sadaam Hussein the WMD baby Bush claimed he still had during a little thing called the Iran-Iraq war. They were happy to arm both sides because they wanted both countries to lose so the US could move in and ‘democratize’ the people of both countries and get a firm grip on the oil supply. Where was John McCain during all of this? In the Senate, on the short list for Bush Sr’s VP and delivering a speech at the Republican National Convention telling everyone how great the Reagan-Bush administration had been and supporting his fellow warmongers.
McCain has hidden behind a maverick/anti-corporate influence/war hero smoke screen in Washington for years. This ‘maverick’ voted with Bush 95% of the time this past year and denies the criminal activity of the Reagan-Bush years. He co-sponsored campaign finance reform legislation that left loopholes for all the types of corporate assistance he was receiving. He says he’s anti-torture, but refused to vote for the anti-torture bill that was proposed this past year. He continues to run as a ‘war hero’, even though he gave US bombing mission info to his captors in Vietnam and he served on the committee that shut down the search for additional MIA/POWs that may still be in southeast Asia and he wants to keep our over-extended troops in Iraq, even though soldier suicides are at an all-time high and intelligence estimates say that we cannot sustain this war at the same rate (or greater) for much longer without permanently damaging our military.
Obama, on the other hand, has helped set up job training and college prep programs for the economically disadvantaged, a tenants’ right organization and was a community organizer. He taught constitutional law after he graduated with a major in political science with a specialization in international relations from Columbia University and a law degree from Harvard. He spoke out against the war before it started and continues to do so. He voted for the ‘new GI bill’ to provide assistance to returning vets and John McCain did not.
As opposed to John McCain, who thinks the American people should get themselves out of the mortgage crisis mess (funny thing about that…John Green, McCain’s chief liaison to Congress, and Wayne Berman, his national finance co-chairman, billed more than $720,000 in lobbying fees from 2005 through last year to Ameriquest Mortgage through their lobbying firm and McCain’s national campaign general co-chair, Phil Gramm, was being paid by a Swiss bank to lobby Congress about the U.S. mortgage crisis at the same time he was advising McCain about his economic policy), Obama supported payday loan regulations and predatory mortgage lending regulations aimed at averting home foreclosures.
I could go on and on, but you’re going to think Obama’s the anti-christ anyway…I just wanted to give you a taste of what is to come. You get what you deserve. So, if you want a money-grubbing, lying warmonger, vote McCain.
I find it hard to laugh at you anymore because you’re so dangerous. You will bring this country down with your hocus-pocus and ‘gut feeling’ and numerology and silly rhymes. Every time Obama says he’s running because he has great faith in the American people…that they are willing to do the hard work necessary to restore this country to its once-greatness…I think, “You haven’t been reading the blogs, have you? There are a lot of scared rabbits and idiots in this great land of ours.”
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June 9th, 2008 at 2:27 pm
DEAR ALL PEOPLE:
THE ANTI-CHRIST
IS NOT NICE!!!!!!
SO STOP DEFENDING HIM!!
BUT EXPOSE HIM FOR WHO HE IS!
AND FOR WHAT HE IS!!!!!!
THANKS.
FROM: Mister Truthful
EMAIL: owens_ruben@yahoo.com
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June 9th, 2008 at 2:44 pm
WARNING ALL PEOPLE!!
I BELIEVE THAT:
SENATOR BARACK OBAMA
IS SINNER BARACK OBAMA!
AND THAT HE WILL BE WORSE THAN
KING KONG AND GODZILLA PUT
TOGETHER ONCE HE ARISES TO
FULL POWER!
SO BEWARE OF HIM!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
AND DON’T VOTE FOR HIM!!!!!!!!
FROM: Mister Truthful
EMAIL: owens_ruben@yahoo.com
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June 9th, 2008 at 3:10 pm
Yes Yes Ive been telling every one Irun across on the net if thy say I can leave a commit I due time is short to us it will seem long and what better way to get this out to every one I would rather be right then be wrong I lived my life thinking theres a God and lived a fair life and died at least I lived a fairly good life but if I lived my life thinking theres no God and I died then to fine out there was one then I would spend my life in hell so yes if I am wrong I will have to ask forgiveness but if were right then the blood won’t be on my shoulders because I tried to tell people my email flybird63@yahoo.com
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June 9th, 2008 at 4:01 pm
If you’re wrong, there will be no one to ask forgiveness of, flybird! You will have killed them all with your stupidity and superstition! And you haven’t lived a ‘fair’ life or a ‘good’ life. You are accusing a man of being evil without a single bit of proof! You’re a Pharisee! You spend your time justifying your evil and telling everyone it’s okay because you believe in God.
I’ll take my chances explaining to God that I thought all men deserved the benefit of the doubt, that I didn’t condemn a man before he did something wrong, and that I tried to educate people instead of scare them.
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June 9th, 2008 at 6:26 pm
Ok, this is something that should end this all, and like I sd I was thinking the whole antichrist thing, but Obama has kids, two little girls infact, and he is married. Again stop trying to make this a horror movie or do you think that the wife and kids are demons? What ever will happen will happen-lets take action then, but nothing is happening right now. Yes currently everything is strange or is it? When I say strange I mean gas prices, high cost of food and so on. Have you ever thought Obama is just a set up for the real deal. The thing is just as false prophets exist false anti christ are around as well and we the people make it so. Oh and Mother If I misspelled anything don’t come down on me to hard I never was that great a speller or typist not really trying to check the dictionary for this blog
Think it over guys
Ps. I think your kinda cool Walrus or Eggman whatever
chow
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June 9th, 2008 at 9:15 pm
I agree with you in ways theres been many that has came and fit this pitcher of an anti Christ and people have been wrong when thy came around we didn’t really have the problems we due now theres people that will help this man some how if lets just say he came in the world being every thing the bible said he would be then we would not except him Satan knows the bible as well as god does if hes not the anti Christ then his for sure in front of the anti Christ paving the way showing all that the anti Christ would be and thats even better well be even be better prepared say this we don’t no what Obama sex live is or was even through he had kids thats not a big deal he is sub post to deceive us so he probably could due anything his way as many times he likes in any way he likes
we need to just watch him see what he does I am going to try to explain my self a little If you walked up to some one and he shake your hand and you felt strong and got a bad filling in side I’m sure you ran across someone in you life you didn’t want to be around witch is common you go of never have to worry about him again but were not talking about a normal person were taking a leader
people say we can’t judge this man because we can’t judge the book by its cover each one of us is guilty we due each day
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June 9th, 2008 at 11:58 pm
Just because people judge people on superficialities everyday doesn’t make it right. In fact, the Bible actually tells you not to do it.
There is also a difference between getting a feeling about someone that makes you not want to be around them and telling everyone you meet that they are the anti-christ. The first is a personal choice based on a feeling and the other is slander. Since you are publishing this on the internet, it could also be considered libel.
Let’s put this in everyday terms…
Let’s assume you’re not a lesbian, but a friend of a friend of yours doesn’t like you and doesn’t want to hang out with you. They decide the easiest way to get your mutual friend to not want to spend time with you is to tell them you’re a lesbian, so they do. In fact, they drop it into conversation with everyone that knows you. It’s called gossip and it happens every day. But this time, it really affects you. You get fired from your job, because your boss thinks gay people go against the will of God. Your friend stops doing things with you, because she now gets a weird feeling if you hug her when you say ‘good-bye’ or kiss her on the cheek when you say ‘hello’.
Is that fair? Is that a good thing your friend’s friend did? Even if she thought you were a horrible person and justified what she did as helping your friend ’see the light’ about you, would it be right for her to tell anyone that she thinks you’re a lesbian or that she heard you might be a lesbian?
No. She was selfish and mean and evil, because she lied. She pretended to know something she couldn’t possibly know…something that would reflect badly on you and get people not to like you…because she didn’t like you.
This is what gets to me about some Christians. The very last thing they act like is a Christian.
Flybird – when I thought you were uneducated in history and politics, but were trying to learn, at least I had respect for you. When I thought that you were mired in dogma, but at least trying to apply it to the things going on in the world, you were someone worth having a conversation with. Once you said you had purposefully gone around the internet spreading this filth, I not only lost all the respect I had for you, but I think you’re an nasty, selfish, lying (fill in the blank). To justify it with an ‘everybody does it’ type of excuse is cowardly, childish and pathetic.
Perhaps the next time you pray, you might want to ask for the guidance to be a kinder, more truthful, more just human being. It’s not nearly as interesting as praying about who the anti-christ may or may not be, but it will make you a better person and a better Christian. Maybe instead of insight as to who Obama really is, you need insight as to who you really are. Instead of looking for the ugliness in other people’s souls, you should take a look at the ugliness in yours.
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June 10th, 2008 at 12:20 am
Oh, and Jet….thank you very much for the kind words and for trying to reason your way through something that obviously causes you much concern. I think you’re kinda cool, too, and wish you the best.
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June 10th, 2008 at 8:42 am
the people that need prayed for are people like you your the ones that seen to cut people down call them all kind of names and call them all the you nos I always thought there was good in every body well get your laugh es I think I found some that are not with my time I repeat my time if you don’t want to comment on what I say don’t theres others that maybe not like you
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June 10th, 2008 at 8:57 am
I am a person that cares about people get your laughs there am’I funny right I can sure see what you must of thought about mister truthful but its ok I not going any were just watch what I say and listen and try to pick up on were you guys are going and saying you guys must have fun or you guys would be gone from here I stand my ground I guess what you got to say is just as bad as mine so I guess I take the ride
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June 10th, 2008 at 9:25 am
theres a lot on the web about what I say you should check it out and leave your thoughts on there web sights I have spread the word to this web sight and one other to the ones that felt the way I due the only one I could figure out was anti-Christ.com I couldn’t figure out how to leave messages on those other sights I from Arizona lived here for about 38 years born in Ohio married in 1974 had four kids two girls two boys there all raised was married in 1974 husband lifted me 9 years ago for a nothen woman and got back together year latter and split up again two years latter for good I live with a close friend I call sister and here family I’m 51 years old been around some new to the computer only been on it of and on for about two years was a church person for must of the time I was risen my kids I lived with mental abuse for all of my marriage so I can handle all the bad thoughts that comes my way
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June 10th, 2008 at 10:46 am
THE BIBLE ALREADY LETS US KNOW THAT
THE NAME OF THE (”ANTI-CHRIST”) WILL
HAVE (18-LETTERS) IN IT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
————————————————————
SO LETS READ REVELATIONS 13: 18 PLEASE!
BECAUSE REV. 13: 18 SAYS “HERE IS WISDOM”!
NOT OVER THERE IS WISDOM!
NOT BACK THERE IS WISDOM!
NOT UP THERE IS WISDOM!
NOT DOWN THERE IS WISDOM!
NOT ON THE LEFT SIDE OF US IS WISDOM!
NOT ON THE RIGHT SIDE OF US IS WISDOM!
BUT IT SAYS HERE IS WISDOM!
MEANING RIGHT HERE IN FRONT OF
US IS WISDOM WHEN WE LOOK DOWN
IN OUR BIBLE AT (VERSE #18)!!!
WHY VERSE NUMBER 18?
AND WHY NOT VERSE NUMBER 17?
ITS BECAUSE THE BIBLE IS TRYING TO
GIVE US A HINT (CLUE) THAT THE NAME OF THE
ANTI-CHRIST WILL HAVE EXACTLY (18-LETTERS) IN IT!
AND THIS IS WHY VERSE (#18) SAYS
HERE (OR RIGHT HERE) IS WISDOM!
YES!
RIGHT IN FRONT OF US AND RIGHT
UNDER OUR NOSE!
BECAUSE THE NAME “BARACK HUSSEIN OBAMA”
HAS EXACTLY (18-LETTERS) IN IT!
SO COUNT THEM!
BECAUSE (REV. 13: 18) TELLS US
TO COUNT THE NUMBER ( OR LETTERS)
OF THE BEAST!
NOW NOTICE THAT VERSE (#17)
DID NOT SAY HERE IS WISDOM!
AND THIS IS BECAUSE THE NAME OF
THE “ANTI-CHRIST” WILL NOT HAVE
17-LETTERS IN IT!
AND NOTICE THAT VERSE (#16)
DID NOT SAY HERE IS WISDOM!
AND THIS IS BECAUSE THE NAME OF
THE “ANTI-CHRIST” WILL NOT HAVE
16-LETTERS IN IT!
AND NOTICE THAT VERSE (#15)
DID NOT SAY HERE IS WISDOM!
AND THIS IS BECAUSE THE NAME OF
THE “ANTI-CHRIST” WILL NOT HAVE
15-LETTERS IN IT!
BUT THE NAME “BARACK-HUSSEIN-OBAMA”
HAS EXACTLY 18-LETTERS IN IT!
AND THIS IS WHY VERSE (#18) IS THE
VERSE THAT SAYS (HERE IS WISDOM)!
NOW WHEN WE LOOK AT THE NUMBER 18,
WHERE DOES THE (666) PART COME IN AT?
ITS VERY SIMPLE!
BECAUSE IF WE BREAK DOWN THE
NUMBER (18), WE WILL GET (6 + 6 + 6)!
AND IF WE TAKE AWAY ALL OF
THE (PLUS SIGNS), WE WILL GET (666)!
AND (666) IS THE MARK OF THE BEAST!
SO BARACK-HUSSEIN-OBAMA IS
THE ANTI-CHRIST!!
I ASSURE YOU!
FROM: Mister Truthful
EMAIL: owens_ruben@yahoo.com
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June 10th, 2008 at 10:57 am
Like I said before I agree with you can you tell were we are at with the four horses of rev. what stage due you think were in
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June 10th, 2008 at 11:03 am
I’m not convinced that Mister Truthful isn’t a bot.
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June 10th, 2008 at 12:13 pm
Do bot’s go on diets?
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June 10th, 2008 at 1:02 pm
THE DESTINY OF ALL SINNERS INCLUDING
SEN. BARACK OBAMA (THE ANTI-CHRIST)!
——————————————————–
NOW THE LETTERS (A. C.) USED TO STAND
FOR THE WORD (AIR-CONDITIONER).
BUT NOW THESE LETTERS STAND FOR
(ANTI-CHRIST)!
——————————————————-
BUT AT THE END OF THE WORLD
(SEN. BARACK OBAMA) WILL NOT
BE ABLE TO ENJOY THE NICE AND COOL AIR
THAT COMES FROM AN AIR-CONDITIONER!
BECAUSE HE IS HEADED TO HELL!
AND THERE ARE NO AIR-CONDITIONERS
INSTALLED THERE!!
FROM: Mister Truthful
EMAIL: owens_ruben@yahoo.com
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June 10th, 2008 at 2:09 pm
He appears to be a home appliance salesman-bot!
Actually they’re both fundamentalist ‘bots’ ‘cuz they can’t discuss a topic on it’s merit, only hocus-pocus and a firm sense of self-righteousness. Is there a ‘rapturematch.com’ where we can hook them up?
I’m pleased to accept your prayers, flybird. If you’ll also pray that your children don’t become as narrow-minded, Senator Obama has a long, happy life and you ask God to give you the wisdom not to condemn or vilify people as the anti-christ that you know nothing about, that would be helpful, too.
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June 10th, 2008 at 2:25 pm
I BELIEVE THAT SEN. BARACK OBAMA
IS THE ANTI-CHRIST!
SO HERE IS SOME FREE ADVICE:
THE ANTI-CHRIST
WILL BE ANTI-NICE!!!
SO DON’T VOTE FOR HIM!!
DON’T VOTE FOR HIM!!
DON’T VOTE FOR HIM!!
FROM: Mister Truthful
EMAIL: owens_ruben@yahoo.com
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June 10th, 2008 at 3:43 pm
THE BIBLE ALREADY LETS US KNOW THAT
THE NAME OF THE (”ANTI-CHRIST”) WILL
HAVE (18-LETTERS) IN IT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
————————————————————
SO LETS READ REVELATIONS 13: 18 PLEASE!
BECAUSE REV. 13: 18 SAYS “HERE IS WISDOM”!
NOT OVER THERE IS WISDOM!
NOT BACK THERE IS WISDOM!
NOT UP THERE IS WISDOM!
NOT DOWN THERE IS WISDOM!
NOT ON THE LEFT SIDE OF US IS WISDOM!
NOT ON THE RIGHT SIDE OF US IS WISDOM!
BUT IT SAYS HERE IS WISDOM!
MEANING RIGHT HERE IN FRONT OF
US IS WISDOM WHEN WE LOOK DOWN
IN OUR BIBLE AT (VERSE #18)!!!
WHY VERSE NUMBER 18?
AND WHY NOT VERSE NUMBER 17?
ITS BECAUSE THE BIBLE IS TRYING TO
GIVE US A HINT (CLUE) THAT THE NAME OF THE
ANTI-CHRIST WILL HAVE EXACTLY (18-LETTERS) IN IT!
AND THIS IS WHY VERSE (#18) SAYS
HERE (OR RIGHT HERE) IS WISDOM!
YES!
RIGHT IN FRONT OF US AND RIGHT
UNDER OUR NOSE!
BECAUSE THE NAME “BARACK HUSSEIN OBAMA”
HAS EXACTLY (18-LETTERS) IN IT!
SO COUNT THEM!
BECAUSE (REV. 13: 18) TELLS US
TO COUNT THE NUMBER ( OR LETTERS)
OF THE BEAST!
NOW NOTICE THAT VERSE (#17)
DID NOT SAY HERE IS WISDOM!
AND THIS IS BECAUSE THE NAME OF
THE “ANTI-CHRIST” WILL NOT HAVE
17-LETTERS IN IT!
AND NOTICE THAT VERSE (#16)
DID NOT SAY HERE IS WISDOM!
AND THIS IS BECAUSE THE NAME OF
THE “ANTI-CHRIST” WILL NOT HAVE
16-LETTERS IN IT!
AND NOTICE THAT VERSE (#15)
DID NOT SAY HERE IS WISDOM!
AND THIS IS BECAUSE THE NAME OF
THE “ANTI-CHRIST” WILL NOT HAVE
15-LETTERS IN IT!
BUT THE NAME “BARACK-HUSSEIN-OBAMA”
HAS EXACTLY 18-LETTERS IN IT!
AND THIS IS WHY VERSE (#18) IS THE
VERSE THAT SAYS (HERE IS WISDOM)!
NOW WHEN WE LOOK AT THE NUMBER 18,
WHERE DOES THE (666) PART COME IN AT?
ITS VERY SIMPLE!
BECAUSE IF WE BREAK DOWN THE
NUMBER (18), WE WILL GET (6 + 6 + 6)!
AND IF WE TAKE AWAY ALL OF
THE (PLUS SIGNS), WE WILL GET (666)!
AND (666) IS THE MARK OF THE BEAST!
SO BARACK-HUSSEIN-OBAMA IS
THE ANTI-CHRIST!!
I ASSURE YOU!
FROM: Mister Truthful
EMAIL: owens_ruben@yahoo.com
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June 10th, 2008 at 3:43 pm
my kids don’t have no then to due with the way I be leave same as yours if you have any or your family if your telling me that this man has a long and happy life then you must be god to be able to say who lives or who dies you really due need to ask god for his help to un blind your eyes and to give you understanding some people wouldn’t even be able to except the answers to preys if thy were in front of there face some are of this world so bad thy see a one way street [ there's] if I am judging then so is god he tells us what to look for and he tells us to spread the word he also tells us not to be of this world I am what ever you wish to call me but the bible isn’t all about love god done some bads things to people that was siners even whole towns in bible times maybe before you judge me maybe you should look at your self first
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June 10th, 2008 at 4:48 pm
Your latest post is a curious combination of poorly-phrased repetition of what I said to you and contradiction. Yes, God did bad things in the Bible and God judges. The Bible tells us that is God’s job and not ours, so your argument that because God does it in the Bible so you can, too, is ridiculous and contradicts the Bible.
And I didn’t say who lives or dies, nor do I think I’m God (you’re the one that thinks you should be able to act like him and judge everyone). I asked you to pray that Obama has a long, happy life (ie, ask God for his help). Your reading comprehension must equal your spelling skills, if you misinterpreted that.
You also selectively misinterpret the Bible. No, it is not all about love, but Christ did repeatedly talk about love….for example…”Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself”—Matthew 19:19. I should also like to remind you of the 9th commandment…”Do not bear false witness against your neighbor”
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June 10th, 2008 at 5:41 pm
I agree with you but we both can judge and we have each other to any one out their I read something yesterday well last night about Obama setting up a crack team of cybernauts thats is the way thy put it then I want back to this one sight that I also read there was no contact until today it said a crack team of cyberaunts will form a rapid response internet “war room ” to track and respond aggressively to on line rumors that Ba rack Obama is unpatriotic and a Muslim if you are interested in reading this for your self go to anti-Christ.com post 773 under wrath I heard some thing on the news on the net about but didn’t really read it its I won’t commit any more on what I said you said and we both seem to be missing the boat the must in portent thing
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June 10th, 2008 at 7:03 pm
By ‘cybernaut’ I hope they meant someone who’s on the internet as opposed to members of Def Leppard playing David Bowie songs. That being said…what do you find so bothersome about people saying Obama isn’t a Muslim, since he’s not a Muslim? I have no idea how patriotic he is or isn’t, but if this is about wearing a flag pin….sheesh! Since you and others are roaming around the internet spreading rumors and lies, why are you concerned that he may employ people to use the internet to tell the truth? As far as searching a site for a post headed ‘wrath’…I’m still laughing about that one.
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June 10th, 2008 at 7:06 pm
Oh, and as far as the ‘boat’ you think we’re both missing…I’m on the boat, preparing for 40 days and 40 nights of flood, and you’re on the shore, thumping your Bible and shouting that you won’t get on the boat because you heard it was built by guy with a funny name that you get a funny feeling about since you heard he might be a Muslim. Enjoy the swim!
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June 10th, 2008 at 7:51 pm
Walrus, you’re wasting your time and intellect on these people. Flybird is a lost cause and Mister Bullsht is so stupid it’s mind-boggling.
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June 10th, 2008 at 7:56 pm
I see no since in the kind of attitude some have it makes no since so I guess we will both met in hell your not even just judging by saying that I’m on a shore you are also lying and also bearing false wittiness it makes you no better then me I don’t care how you wizzle your self out to be so much better then the next person cutting down and really enjoying it you better prepare for a much longer time then that you must be a ? to since you have to really defend him really cut down any one any time you fill like it maybe I am not as smart as you are or maybe as rich as you or maybe I amt much of any thing you act like you know what I would due I’m glade I must of riffled your feathers a little you don’t have to listen to me or even respond to me thats fine thats ok and I can due the same as you the little people in this world thats all tray are in some eyes been there and done that with people not hen new
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June 10th, 2008 at 8:10 pm
Oh, Orlando, I know, I know. I can’t even begin to wonder how it could come to pass that someone doesn’t know the differrence between a lie and a metaphor. If I pondered it for only a second, it might make my brain bleed. Finding out that ‘wizzle’ is now a word was fun, though. Do you wizzle? Apparently I do. Who woulda thunk it!
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June 10th, 2008 at 10:17 pm
I beleave I’am 90% such who he is we are about to see the things start to happen more and more the cost of food,gas,homes lost,cars lost,jobs lost. its all happing more faster then before the earthquakes,floods,tornadoes, strange weather its all signs of the times the white horse its rider held a bow and he was given a crown and he road out as a conqueror bent on conquest
sec horse I heard the second living creature say Come Then another horse came out a fiery red one its rider was giving power to take peace from the earth and to make men slay each other to him was giving a large sword
third seal I heard the third living creature say Come I looked and there before me was a black horse its rider was holding a pair of scales in his hand Then I heard what sounded like a voice among the four living creature saying A quart of wheat for a days wages and three quarts of barley for a days wages and due not damage the oil and the wine
I heard the voice of the fourth living creature say come I looked and there before me was a pale horse its rider was death and hades was following close be hide him they were given power over a fourth of the earth to kill by sword famine and plague and by the wild beasts of the earth so yes things will get a hole lot worse
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June 11th, 2008 at 6:57 am
Out of curiosity again, do you receive any kind of mental health care?
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June 11th, 2008 at 7:29 am
I think we can assume either the answer is ‘no’ or it’s some kind of AA-like program where the addiction/dependency is replaced with fervor or they have an internet connection at the institution.
I could comment on the lack of initiative that it took not to look in the Bible to get the correct spelling of ‘do’ when one is concerned about the condition of the oil and wine….oops, I think I just did!
Maybe it’s best that we all say, “Oooooh, horsies! Yay! I like horsies!” and move on.
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June 11th, 2008 at 9:16 am
I go to this one web sight a lot there are some good people on it of course theres better ones on this sight I am proude to say I asked what was wrong with them be cause know one was committing thy were afraid to commit heres the web sight //www.anti-Christ.com/?p=25 If some are interested on reading about it some may think its a joke I think there really concern about some thing really happening to then we can’t let people get to us and be leave me thy try to some just strive to due it instead of trying to help or lead a person thy strive to be a much better of a person to just show up the next because thy fill there more superior some you can’t please no matter what some say your judging then thy turn around and due just the same but in there eyes there not thy use other reasons its ok if you say it this way or that way its not judging but the truth of the matter is yes it is I don’t fill there is anyone that doesn’t judge in one way or another because were human well maybe some are of course just to say if we were god then we would be perfect thats why we have Jesus for the ones that aren’t perfect gas want up over night its now 4.15 a gal here in queen creek az theres others here that are 4.19 I am sure its higher then this else were
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June 11th, 2008 at 12:25 pm
any thing know happen new going on?
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June 11th, 2008 at 2:55 pm
I BELIVE THAT (SEN. BARACK OBAMA)
IS THE (ANTI-CHRIST) BECAUSE:
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EVEN IF WE ADD UP THE LETTERS IN HIS (NAME)
BY USING THE (GREEK ALPHABET) SYSTEM,
WE CAN STILL GET (666).
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NOW I THINK THAT THE KEY TO
USING THE GREEK ALPHABET SYSTEM
IS TO COUNT EACH (ENGLISH LETTER) AS
(THE MATCHING GREEK NUMBER) AND NOT TO
LEAVE ANY OF THE (ENGLISH) LETTERS OUT
WHEN YOU DO THIS!
EVEN IF THAT ENGLISH LETTER IS SILENT!
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FOR EXAMPLE:
IN THE WORD (”MOUSE”),
THE (E) IS SILENT BUT THE (E) STILL
MUST BE COUNTED AND NOT LEFT OUT!
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AND I THINK THAT THE SECOND KEY TO
USING THE (GREEK ALPHABET) SYSTEM IS TO
GO BY THE SOUND OF THE (ENGLISH) LETTER
INSTEAD OF THE LETTER ITSELF!
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FOR EXAMPLE:
IN THE WORD (”CUP”), THE LETTER (”C”),
SOUNDS LIKE (”K”) SO IT MUST BE COUNTED
AS A (”K”) INSTEAD OF A (”C”)!
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NOW I AM ABOUT TO SHOW YOU THE
GREEK ALPHABET FORMULA THAT I USED
FOR THE NAME (”B A R A C K”)!
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AND WHY NOT HAVE A FORMULA FOR
THE WHOLE NAME OF: (BARACK HUSSEIN OBAMA)
INSTEAD OF JUST THE NAME (B A R A C K)?
ITS BECAUSE IN THE (BIBLE) OR IN THE (BIBLE DAYS)
THAT (MIDDLE) NAMES OR (LAST) NAMES WERE
HARDLY USED BACK THEN OR NOT USED AT ALL
BACK THEN!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
BUT MOSTLY JUST FIRST NAMES!
OR ONLY JUST FIRST NAMES!
WERE USED BACK THEN!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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SO THIS IS WHY WE WILL ONLY BE USING
THE FIRST NAME OF (B A R A C K) INSTEAD
OF INCLUDING HIS (MIDDLE) NAME AND
HIS (LAST) NAME WHEN WE CALCULATE
HIS NAME IN THE GREEK ALPHABET FORMULA
THAT I HAVE USED!
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AND BY THE WAY IF YOU ARE WONDERING
WHY WE ARE USING THE (GREEK ALPHABET FORMULA)
INSTEAD OF AN (ENGLISH ALPHABET FORMULA) TO DO THIS,
WELL IT IS BECAUSE THE BIBLE WAS WRITTEN IN (GREEK)!
SO IT MUST BE UNDERSTOOD IN (GREEK)!!!!!!!!!!
BECAUSE IT WAS NOT ORIGINALLY WRITTEN
IN REGULAR (ENGLISH)!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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NOW THAT I HAVE CLEARED THAT UP FOR YOU,
NOW HERE IS THE (GREEK ALPHABET FORMULA)
FOR THE NAME OF (B A R A C K)!
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B-A-R-A-C-K
B = 2 (IN GREEK)
A = 400 (IN GREEK) **WITH A (U) SOUND.
R = 100 (IN GREEK)
A = 70 (IN GREEK) **WITH AN (O) SOUND,
C = 20 (IN GREEK)
K = 20 (IN GREEK)
AND: 2 + 400 + 100 + 70 + 20 + 20 = 612
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NOW WE CAN SURELY GET (666)
OUT OF THE ABOVE NUMBER (612)!
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HOW?
BECAUSE: 6 + 12 (WHICH IS 6 + 6) GIVES US A TOTAL OF
THREE SIXES!
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AND THIS AS PLAIN AS DAY
MEANS 6 + 6 + 6
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AND IF WE TAKE AWAY ALL OF THE (PLUS SIGNS),
THEN WE WILL GET (666).
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AND (666) IS THE (MARK OF THE BEAST)!!!
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AND I CAN ASSURE YOU THAT (BARACK OBAMA)
IS THE (ANTI-CHRIST) THAT THE BIBLE WARNS
US ABOUT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
FROM: Mister Truthful
EMAIL: owens_ruben@yahoo.com
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June 11th, 2008 at 7:49 pm
Listen the way i figure its like this, plan and simple.
1. He is the Antichrist and he will lead to the end of days. Then in theory how can you stop this action. Wasn’t the popular belief that when this does happen that all gods children will be saved. I mean why worry if your Christian right, this is what will cleanse the world of evil and bring immortality for those who are true and virtuous. That and its the action of a god and your god apparently. Do you honestly think you can stop that if it is the case? I mean i think god would get pretty pissed about some mortals saying “oh were going to stop his devine will”. So then why be worried about it? I mean are you going to hide under a rock or in a bomb shelter from the rapture lol.
That and the rapture from what i have heard is god saying man has lost all hope for redemption. Meaning there is no more things that can be done to save man which in my mind is obviously not the case. Like i said how can i stop it and “true” christians wont have anything to fear. Wouldnt you guys be spared the end times and all shepherded into the immortal bliss?
2. The man is a good and experienced politician with real means to get things done in this country. Imagine that someone who can push out lobbyist control over our system. I mean whats it going to take to show that maybe this man can be what we need to not only bring us to a new level as a country, but repair the relations with the globe. Which we need right now sorely. He has stated ending lobbyist rule and that alone may get him assassinated. I mean the man is smart enough to realize he can possibly die from this but he soldiers on. The reasons your paying so big at the pump, and in the working world for other things is because of corruption thru lobbyist.
To me he seems like another jfk or martin luther king. Sadly anger and ignorance can kill the most beautiful things for our country. I only hope that Mr. Obama proves to be half the man he says he is. I mean i would vote for him in a heart beat.
Its odd to me to that bush “the great christian hope” who has not be questioned at all by his christian followers has done more irrational and honestly crazy things. For instance going into an embedded conflict that lost some of our finest government officials like fucking Colin Powel. Yeah and lets not forget his conversations with god. I dont want a biast leader of any sort. Obama not only represents that we are better as a country but we are not bought by cheap religious promises. Meaning christians across this country need to wake up. Because the next time we elect a christian fanatic such as bush we might not get a second chance like this.
Everything obama has done is his right as an american citizen. The fact that he would not raise his hand was proof of his belief in my eyes. His rights not to be forced into something he does not follow. People attack him for this though, and i think so far im not impressed. All his retractors can say is mythical things like he is the antichrist. That shows me that someone has not done there homework on the man. Im not even a obama support or researcher and i know that he has had more ground political experience, which we need, than most of his competition.
I dont think people are fearing his presence i think there fearing the change he will bring which will be large. Maybe we need to wake the fuck up pardon the expression. Maybe obama will finally start fighting the wars at home that have been neglected instead of forcing mandate in countrys we have no right to be in. Maybe just maybe he is a man and not only that he may be the one thing that stops america from being the enemy of the world in the impending world war three.
The world has change and maybe electing a man on his substance rather than preaching skills will show the world we have to. Maybe to show them that this is not the america they thought it was. Thats all i have to say and may god or allah or whatever watchs over the world prevent foolish people from destroying our country again. Peace.
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June 11th, 2008 at 8:33 pm
What many people fear most is change. That’s why they vote for people they want to have a beer with or people who sound like or look like the people they know. They don’t want to research the issues or think too much either, so it’s easier to vote on whether or not someone wears a flag pin or is veteran.
It doesn’t matter if economists say the war veteran’s economic policy doesn’t make sense, because a lot of people don’t understand economics. It doesn’t matter if the war veteran keeps mixing up the Sunni and Shia, because a lot of people don’t know the difference, either. It doesn’t matter that he won’t vote for bills on issues he says he believes in when it’s more politically expedient to betray his beliefs. He’s a veteran and the other guy isn’t. He’s white and the other guy isn’t. He has an ‘American’ name and the other guy doesn’t. He’s a guy they could eat cole slaw with and the other guy buys arugula.
And you can’t question him about anything without him reminding you he is a veteran and he was tortured. And you can’t question his followers, because they’ll just say the opponent is the non-bowling, elitist anti-christ.
But what it’s all about is fear. It’s hard to admit you’re afraid of change or thinking or researching the issues or black men or someone different than you, regardless of color. It’s hard to admit your mistakes in believing in the last gung-ho American that you thought you could go to a rodeo with. It’s easy to say you’re afraid of the anti-christ. And it will be easy for them to say they were wrong when he proves not to be.
But the cycle will repeat until they stop acting out of fear.
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June 11th, 2008 at 8:42 pm
Excuse me what country did you say you were from?
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June 11th, 2008 at 8:53 pm
LMAO Thanks for proving my point!
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June 11th, 2008 at 9:10 pm
yes I had found out something today on the web that some or maybe all might be interested in A crack team of cybernaunts will form a rapid response internet ”war room’ to track and respond aggressively to on line rumors that barrack Obama is unpatriotic and a Muslim now what I under stood was these people are going to get on to these sights my words join in I have one more commit if a person can’t put there hand on there chest like every one else and respect are country and his own then he should not be a president of the untied stats if he can’t stand to due that then how can he respect us as a hole
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June 11th, 2008 at 9:15 pm
You put your hand over your heart at baseball games and sporting events when they play the national anthem? I’ve almost never seen anybody do that in real life.
Do you really think a sitting US Senator is un-patriotic? Wouldn’t somebody un-patriotic be as far from politics as they could be?
I haven’t decided whether I’m going to vote for him or not, but I’m not all concerned that he’s not pro-this-country. I mean, really, who living here isn’t?
You people are odd.
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June 11th, 2008 at 9:16 pm
Here’s the story you were referencing (though I admit I don’t understand the point you were making by referencing it):
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/newstopics/uselection2008/barackobama/2109538/Barack-Obama-recruits-staff-to-fight-web-smears.html
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June 11th, 2008 at 9:24 pm
Didn’t they do this in corpus christi? They certainly do it in Anaheim (people get yelled at for not taking their caps off) and I remember it happening at rushmore and at a pow-wow in Nebraska.
Being a politician is really hard work. Even the worst example of a corrupt member of congress has to love something about America, since they could seek the other benefits, namely money and power, via private means much more easily.
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June 11th, 2008 at 9:37 pm
~…if a person can’t put there hand on there chest like every one else…~
ROTFLMAO! ‘Fearbird’ proves my point again. “Like everyone else”….classic!
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June 11th, 2008 at 9:41 pm
Her point was that she believes he’s unpatriotic and a Muslim; therefore, cybernauts are the equivalent of a team of demons. Didn’t you know that cybernauts are evil and scary, DoorFrame? :-p
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June 11th, 2008 at 9:46 pm
Beware the wrath of the cybernaut…
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June 11th, 2008 at 9:54 pm
To speak for my self and no one else I don’t like the other one at all didn’t like mrs Clinton I haven’t voted because of that reason and sure didn’t like Bush Sr or bush Jr there ways has taken us down I don’t drink Theres one thing I am great full for and thats being able to come back a little for years I never did any thing I just let it go let people walk over me let a husband mentally abuse me I will never amount to any of you buts thats ok I don’t have the education or any of that but thats ok to just like the rich don’t hang with the poor the smart ones don’t like the dum ones thats life non christens don’t like christens thats life I am not a church person every things ok this sight tough me that I needed to stand up a little for my self that I am great full for
reatful for is this web sight made me come back at people Iwas a woman that let husbond abuse and knock down never said any thing to any one about any thing figure I woulm’t get any were so I gave up many years ago let people walk on ,me but even though Iam not equal to you I still fill human even though some fill different its ok I am still greatful
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June 11th, 2008 at 10:15 pm
You are batting 1.000, flybird. It’s truly astounding!
Once again you have missed the point. It is not about rich vs. poor or Christians vs. non-Christians or smart vs. dumb or equal vs. unequal. It’s about fear and single-mindedness and narrow-mindedness.
It’s about argument vs. debate.
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June 11th, 2008 at 10:18 pm
Psst…..There’s a cybernaut on a pasty pony outside my kitchen window. I’m going to offer him a cookie and see what happens.
DoorFrame, et al, if I don’t come back…….
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June 11th, 2008 at 10:18 pm
Flybird, I’m glad you continue to express your views, even though your strongest supporter on this thread is a numerological robot. That being said, I disagree with your decision to not vote (even though if you did it would probably be for someone I am opposed to). Women in the US had to deal with 120 years of not being able to impact elections, and to not do so now is a slap in the face to those who suffered so you could express your views. I understand that you may be disinclined to vote if you don’t like any candidate, but since you generally don’t have the option to vote for “none of the above”, you’re better off trying to get the least of all evils elected rather than having no say whatsoever. Remember, you can always write in a candidate.
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June 11th, 2008 at 10:21 pm
Whew! It’s okay. He would prefer oatmeal and raisin to chocolate chip, but other than that he was a very nice equestrian cybernaut.
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June 11th, 2008 at 10:30 pm
Troeltsch, I have to go against you on this one. The women who fought for the right to vote cared about the government of this country. Flybird has said that this world isn’t important. It is only the afterlife that is important.
Uneducated voters are the reason we end up with some of the presidents that we have had. If she votes for Obama because she likes his wife or thinks he’s cute or she votes for McCain because he’s a veteran or she thinks Obama is the anti-christ, she is casting a frivolous vote. That is an insult to the women who fought for the right to vote. It would prove the opinion that women can’t understand the issues and make an informed decision.
While I encourage everyone to research the candidates’ issues and policies and cast an informed vote, I also encourage anyone who will not take the time to research the candidates with an open mind and a focus on the issues not to vote. You don’t want a blind person to drive your car, do you?
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June 11th, 2008 at 10:41 pm
The founders deliberately chose to let all people* have a say in their government, and they certainly knew that “all people” included many who were uneducated. This was even more true in 1800 than it is today — voters were by and large not literate, and the large rural population was even less aware of political goings on. We can argue whether that decision was a good one or not (we could have been parliamentary and allowed the legislature to elect the head of state), but we explicitly do not have a test to vote, and this system has kept us going thus far. There is no obligation to vote, but if you have the right I don’t see the point of not exercising it.
* defined as white men over 18 then, but still…
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June 11th, 2008 at 10:49 pm
I didn’t mean uneducated as in unschooled or illiterate. I meant uneducated on the policies of the candidates and the ramifications of those policies.
The modern voter cast his or her vote based on many things, including many that are distractions that weren’t available to the colonials. The original colonists weren’t voting on what a candidate looked like or how they dressed (they rarely, if ever, saw pictures or portraits of them) or the latest soundbyte or a youtube video. They were voting on issues that were important to them.
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June 11th, 2008 at 10:59 pm
PS…..Of course, I’m sure there were quite a few who voted for ‘cousin Jimmy’s friend’ or ‘the guy who doesn’t like the Irish’, too. That doesn’t make it right.
You have many rights that you don’t exercise. You have the right to move to Alaska from Florida, but not many people do it. You have the right to procreate endlessly, but very few people do. You have the right to eat nothing but Twix. You have the right to wear nothing that isn’t red, white and blue. Just because you have the right to do something impractical or foolish doesn’t mean you should exercise that right.
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June 11th, 2008 at 11:29 pm
I never never said That this country wasn’t In portent at All maybe you should try to read my chicken feed a little better or don’t put words in my month that I didn”t say or don’t read what I wrote and I never said any thing about the after life just because I talked about god don’t assume I said that
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June 12th, 2008 at 12:00 am
My bad if I misinterpreted “he tells us what to look for and he tells us to spread the word he also tells us not to be of this world” to mean that the mission of Christians in this life is to convert unbelievers, because life in heaven is the only true life worth living. Whenever I have heard people use this type of expression before, it is to justify why they don’t try to make the world a better place or do charitable deeds. They say that God will make this world what it is, so there is no point in getting involved in trying to cure the world’s ills….that the kingdom of heaven is all that they are concerned with. Feel free to explain what you meant.
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June 12th, 2008 at 12:04 am
Oh and if you’re so worried about accuracy, this is what I said as an interpretation of your statement….”Flybird has said that this world isn’t important. It is only the afterlife that is important.” You translated it to this….”this country wasn’t In portent at All”
I said WORLD not country and there was no AT ALL in my statement.
Your apology is accepted.
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June 12th, 2008 at 12:30 am
I want to be series really you don’t have to answer like to know if out of all three witch one would you like to see get the job between are governor and Obama I would have to pick Obama I have my fought s with him but I would have to lean this way he’s fresh and new and its not because hes black our governor been though a lot more but that was then and this is now people and places change I don’t care for obama but if I had to stand them sided by sided it would have to be him Ive done a lot of reading some say this some say that thy all tell there little story’s out of school but we can’t stop what is to be so why not give him the chance to prove him self and if I may say this pray all that is against him are proven wrong or else we will never know
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June 12th, 2008 at 12:40 am
Who is your governor?
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June 12th, 2008 at 12:42 am
Mccain if I am spelling his name right
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June 12th, 2008 at 12:48 am
Ah. He’s a senator, not a governor.
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June 12th, 2008 at 12:52 am
my bad I made a mistake your right I live in the same state and can’t get it right that was really smart
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June 12th, 2008 at 1:27 am
The colonial voter would often vote for whoever bought him a keg of beer.
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June 12th, 2008 at 2:33 am
Hence the ‘which candidate would you like to have a beer with?’ means of selection today. Just because something has been done in the past doesn’t make it right, though. They also had slaves, put people in the stocks and had debtor’s prison. Shall we do that, too?
We know that politics has always had it’s share of corruption. What I hope for is that, as information becomes more readily available, the electorate will educate themselves before they vote. Now, corruption is publicized very quickly. Today, all it requires is a few mouse clicks to find out anything you need to know. There is absolutely no reason to be unaware of what each candidate brings to the table.
Now then…about that beer…
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June 12th, 2008 at 4:14 am
ok listen up I was born o 6/12/69 : I have two 6’s in my birth date and the 9 is 6 upside down. look out I’m the one (lol) just a little humor guys. flybird you trip me out. Wulrus don’t waste your time he’s gone far far away he’s sucking our energy. Have a good day everyone.
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June 12th, 2008 at 9:09 am
I don’t understand much on politics other then what I read and what Ive learn through all of you so I agree I grade my self a F- you all seem like a good group of people and I am really trying to understand every thing the best I can maybe I will try harder to listen and learn more this is all new to me and this computer is to and you are a lot smarter then I am and your parents should be proud to have raised such children that what this world needs my son told me you can read see and learn anything you want on a computer but he never told me how so I am still in the learning stage probley never progress out of that stage but trying what better why to learn then the hard way you don’t soon forget
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June 12th, 2008 at 11:10 am
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/2111174/Intelligent-people-less-likely-to-believe-in-Godl
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June 12th, 2008 at 12:53 pm
CONCERNING THE TERRIBLE (ANTI-CHRIST) AND
WHAT TO DO IF YOU MISS THE RAPTURE!!!!
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1. DO NOT WORSHIP THE ANTI-CHRIST!
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2. DO NOT RECEIVE HIS MARK OR (666)!
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3. YOU WANT BE ABLE TO BUY FOOD OR ANYTHING
WITHOUT HIS MARK, BUT NO MATTER HOW HUNGRY
THAT YOU GET DO NOT GIVE IN TO YOUR STOMACH!!
(DO NOT TAKE HIS MARK)!!
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4. YOU WANT BE ABLE TO SELL LAND OR ANYTHING
WITHOUT HIS MARK OR (666), BUT NO MATTER
HOW BAD THAT YOU NEED TO SELL SOMETHING
IN ORDER TO OBTAIN MONEY (DO NOT TAKE HIS MARK)!!
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5. YOU WANT BE ABLE TO AFFORD THE HIGH GAS PRICES
WITHOUT HIS MARK, BUT NO MATTER HOW BAD THAT
YOUR CAR NEEDS GAS IN IT (DO NOT TAKE HIS MARK)!!
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6. WORSHIP GOD AND ONLY GOD!!
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7. PRAY A WHOLE LOT AND BEG GOD FOR MERCY!
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8. ADMIT TO GOD THAT (HE IS GOD) AND NO ONE ELSE
BESIDES HIM!!
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9. ADMIT TO GOD THAT YOU HAVE SINNED AND COMMITTED
SINS! BUT FROM NOW ON YOU WANT TO LIVE RIGHTEOUS
INSTEAD OF UNRIGHTEOUS! AND MEAN IT WHEN YOU
SAY IT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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10. APOLOGIZE TO GOD FOR ALL OF THE SINS THAT YOU
HAVE COMMITTED IN YOUR LIFETIME! AND TELL HIM
JUST HOW SORRY THAT YOU ARE FOR OFFENDING HIM
WITH THOSE SINS!!
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11. KEEP ALL (NOT SOME) OF THE TEN COMMANDMENTS!!
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12. CONSTANTLY READ THE (REAL BIBLE NOT THE KORAN)
IF YOU CAN GET A HOLD OF ONE!!
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13. LISTEN WITH BOTH EARS TO GOD’S ANGELS OR PROPHETS THAT
HE SENDS TO THE EARTH TO PREACH THE GOSPEL TO THOSE WHO
MISSED THE RAPTURE AND GOT LEFT BEHIND!
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14. DISCIPLINE YOURSELF TO BE ABLE TO LIVE WITHOUT
BATHS, FOOD, WATER, SLEEP, SEX, MONEY AND GAS
FOR A LONG PERIOD OF TIME!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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15. DEVELOP A LOVE FOR GOD LIKE NEVER BEFORE! AND LOVE
HIM MORE THAN YOU HAVE EVER LOVED ANYONE ELSE BEFORE
ON THE WHOLE EARTH!! EVEN LOVE HIM MORE THAN
LIFE ITSELF!!
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16. CONSTANTLY DAYDREAM AND REMIND YOURSELF OF A HAPPY
AND BEAUTIFUL PLACE CALLED HEAVEN! AND THAT IT IS
WORTH YOU GOING THROUGH ALL OF THE ABOVE THINGS
JUST TO MAKE IT THERE!! BECAUSE IT BEATS GOING TO HELL!!
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17. MAKE SURE THAT YOU EXTREMELY LOVE ALL MANKIND
AND FORGIVE EACH PERSON FOR ANY WRONG THINGS
THAT THEY HAVE DONE TO YOU!!
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FROM: Mister Truthful
EMAIL: owens_ruben@yahoo.com
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June 12th, 2008 at 1:19 pm
I Want to that sight thought it was good I really don’t know what to say with out being wrong or stepping out of place in a way I wished I could be as good as you people are with words But I’m not I’m not saying I agree with every thing you people say but there are points made that I due agree with
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June 12th, 2008 at 1:31 pm
I dont know whether he is or not, but if he is, we will soon be raptured into heaven. Mister truthful may speak some ??? things, but his last post I agree with. God bless.
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June 12th, 2008 at 2:27 pm
I guess way I am still here is because I fill theres a reason for god to guide me here and god knows Ive been throw the knot hole on this sight and some how I will fine out what it is because I don’t have the words to say or keep up with the ones on this sight I also know I am not liked very well but I will still hang in here and wait master truthful Ive read all the the commits if thats what there called and I would have to say thats the best one in my eyes you v done
GOD BLESS YOU MASTER TRUTHFUL
[.]
June 12th, 2008 at 3:32 pm
WARNING WHOLE WIDE WORLD!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
BARACK OBAMA IS (THE ANTI-CHRIST)!!!!
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POSSIBLE THAT THE ANTI-CHRIST
MAY LOOK FOR PEOPLE TO SLICE!
BECAUSE THE ANTI-CHRIST
WILL BE ANTI-NICE!!
SO BEWARE OF HIM!!!
FROM: Mister Truthful
EMAIL: owens_ruben@yahoo.com
[.]
June 12th, 2008 at 3:35 pm
CONCERNING THE TERRIBLE (ANTI-CHRIST) AND
WHAT TO DO IF YOU MISS THE RAPTURE!!!!!!!!!!!
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AFTER YOU HAVE PANICKED,
SCREAMED AND CRIED A LOT:
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1. DO NOT WORSHIP THE ANTI-CHRIST!
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2. DO NOT RECEIVE HIS MARK OR (666)!
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3. YOU WANT BE ABLE TO BUY FOOD OR ANYTHING WITHOUT HIS MARK, BUT NO MATTER HOW HUNGRY THAT YOU GET DO NOT GIVE IN TO YOUR STOMACH!!
BUT (DO NOT TAKE HIS MARK)!!
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4. YOU WANT BE ABLE TO SELL LAND OR ANYTHING WITHOUT HIS MARK OR (666),
BUT NO MATTER HOW BAD THAT YOU NEED TO SELL SOMETHING IN ORDER TO OBTAIN MONEY (DO NOT TAKE HIS MARK)!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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5. YOU WANT BE ABLE TO AFFORD THE HIGH GAS PRICES WITHOUT HIS MARK, BUT NO MATTER HOW BAD THAT YOUR CAR NEEDS GAS IN IT,
(DO NOT TAKE HIS MARK)!!
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6. WORSHIP GOD AND ONLY GOD!!
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7. PRAY A WHOLE LOT AND BEG GOD FOR MERCY!
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8. ADMIT TO GOD THAT (HE IS GOD) AND NO ONE ELSE BESIDES HIM!!
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9. ADMIT TO GOD THAT YOU HAVE SINNED AND COMMITTED SINS! BUT FROM NOW ON YOU WANT TO LIVE RIGHTEOUS INSTEAD OF UNRIGHTEOUS! AND MEAN IT WHEN YOU SAY IT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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10. APOLOGIZE TO GOD FOR ALL OF THE SINS THAT YOU HAVE COMMITTED IN YOUR LIFETIME! AND TELL HIM JUST HOW SORRY THAT YOU ARE FOR OFFENDING HIM WITH THOSE SINS!!
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11. KEEP ALL (NOT SOME) OF THE TEN COMMANDMENTS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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12. CONSTANTLY READ THE (REAL BIBLE NOT
THE KORAN) IF YOU CAN GET A HOLD OF ONE!!
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13. LISTEN WITH BOTH EARS TO GOD’S ANGELS OR PROPHETS THAT HE SENDS TO THE EARTH
TO PREACH THE GOSPEL TO THOSE WHO
MISSED THE RAPTURE AND GOT LEFT BEHIND!
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14. DISCIPLINE YOURSELF TO BE ABLE TO LIVE WITHOUT BATHS, FOOD, WATER, SLEEP, SEX, MONEY AND GAS AND FREEDOM FOR A LONG PERIOD OF TIME!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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15. DEVELOP A LOVE FOR GOD LIKE NEVER BEFORE! AND LOVE HIM MORE THAN YOU HAVE EVER LOVED ANYONE ELSE BEFORE ON THE
WHOLE EARTH!! EVEN LOVE HIM MORE THAN
LIFE ITSELF!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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16. CONSTANTLY DAYDREAM AND REMIND YOURSELF OF A HAPPY AND BEAUTIFUL PLACE CALLED HEAVEN! AND THAT IT IS WORTH YOU GOING THROUGH ALL OF THE ABOVE THINGS
JUST TO MAKE IT THERE!! BECAUSE IT BEATS GOING TO HELL!!
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17. MAKE SURE THAT YOU EXTREMELY LOVE ALL MANKIND AND FORGIVE EACH PERSON FOR ANY WRONG THINGS THAT THEY HAVE DONE TO YOU!!
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FROM: Mister Truthful
EMAIL: owens_ruben@yahoo.com
[.]
June 12th, 2008 at 4:55 pm
BARACK OBAMA CLAIMS TO BE BORN ON:
( AUGUST 4, 1961 )
AND IF THIS IS TRUE
THIS MEANS THAT HE WAS:
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**BORN THE (8th) MONTH.
**BORN THE (4th) DAY.
**BORN IN THE (60th) DECADE.
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SO FOLLOW THE ANTI-CHRIST FORMULA BELOW:
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NOW 8 + 4 = 12 (WHICH IS REALLY TWO SIXES)
SO ADD 6 + 6 + 60th DECADE.
AND YOU GET 6 + 6 + 60.
BUT IF YOU TAKE AWAY ALL THE (PLUS SIGNS),
YOU WILL GET (6660)
AND THEN IF YOU TAKE AWAY
THE MEANINGLESS (ZERO),
YOU WILL GET (666)
AND (666) IS THE MARK OF THE BEAST!
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AND I ASSURE YOU THAT (SENATOR) BARACK OBAMA
OR (SINNER) BARACK OBAMA IS THE ANTI-CHRIST
THAT THE BIBLE WARNS US ABOUT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
SO BEWARE OF HIM!
AND DON’T WORSHIP HIM!
AND DON’T RECEIVE HIS MARK!
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FROM: Mister Truthful
EMAIL: owens_ruben@yahoo.com
[.]
June 12th, 2008 at 5:32 pm
Sheesh! Just when you think MisterTRUTHFUL is making progress, he relapses into the silly rhymes and numerology. I know I shouldn’t be so disappointed that the more sensible side of his brain doesn’t seem to have won the battle, but I am. That naive optimism of mine bites me in the butt again. :-(
[.]
June 12th, 2008 at 6:00 pm
Just so everyone knows….
Barack Obama’s site that was started to combat the rumors and inaccuracies about him is…. http://www.fightthesmears.com
When you type that in and hit enter this will appear on your navigation bar to let you know that you are on the correct page….
http://my.barackobama.com/page/content/fightthesmearshome/
The site that has made up stories about him is….. http://fightthesmears.org/
The dot com site is the legit one, the dot org site has the false stories on it. The org page is designed to look exactly like the com page, so don’t be fooled.
[.]
June 12th, 2008 at 6:26 pm
After reading your last commit Revelation 1:3 came to mind Blessed is the one who reads the words of this prophecy, and blessed are those who hear it and take to heart what is written in it, because the time near. I going to say some thing I been though a lot in my life time and if it wouldn’t been for god I wouldn’t of made it through him I found a way to cope with my life what he has done for me I know heed do for others he took a 10 year old kid and gave her a reason to make it my mon died when I was ten I wasn’t a wanted child I can from a rap my mother was rapped when she died my dad which was a drink and I moved in with my mons friend her 19 year old son done some bad things to me thy for sure didn’t want me I said not hen to no one about it then I got into a lot of trouble got my self under control got married to the man that mashed with me boy was I massed up stayed married 34 years but the last seven Ive been separated my youngest son is in jail for some thing he didn’t do so yes I have not been perfect but through Christ Ive been for given and Ive lived through my trails and temptations but though Christ lam a Live God never said life would be a bed of roses for us but when I fill all a lone and don’t think Gods there I learned its because hes caring me thats why I can’t see him I can be called as you like because I know what hes done for me
[.]
June 12th, 2008 at 7:17 pm
Sorry you went through all that, flybird. Glad to see you made it. Whether God helped you or not is not for me to say, but you should be proud of yourself for the effort you made, too.
[.]
June 12th, 2008 at 7:40 pm
thank you Walrus or eggman its the first time some one really said some thing nice that meant something
[.]
June 12th, 2008 at 10:03 pm
Walrus or eggman I want to those sites that you gave thy both go to the same one except one is a bunch of of girls you have to quick on to it under the girls but it takes you to the vary same site but the first time I tried it thy were different but not know there the same I was going to read up on them
[.]
June 12th, 2008 at 11:45 pm
On serious note, its obvious that everyone has the same thoughts in mind, and is concerned about where this country more over the world is heading, and yes I thought and still wonder about Obama, but there is so much more to happen, and we have to wait and see. So much is going wrong in this country right now and we or some of us are starting to become aware of certain things -that is a start, and I believe all of us want the same thing which is peace. There are certain things that are to pass, but not to scare us, for what ever will be will be. We should just make sure that we have our house in order, for the things that we are make the world. I really enjoy the different opinions. Everyone is in tune, and waking up so I know with confidence what ever happens we will be ready.
[.]
June 13th, 2008 at 12:23 am
I agree with you theres a lot in this world thats happing now and by all mines we need to take care of them wait and witch take things as thy come For one time in my life I hope I am wrong and I am worried I shouldn’t be but I am human thats been my fought in life I worry
[.]
June 13th, 2008 at 1:14 am
I CERTAINLY THINK HE’S THE ANTICHRIST ALSO! HE’S TRYING TO BRAINWASH US, BUT IT’S NOT WORKING ON ME, DAMMIT! DON’T VOTE FOR BARACK OBAMA!
[.]
June 13th, 2008 at 1:52 am
Well, stick with the http://www.fightthesmears.com site if you want the real Obama site, flybird. The other one is a gag that is trying to morph itself into the other one.
[.]
June 13th, 2008 at 2:49 am
Walrus or Eggman? Says:
May 19th, 2008 at 1:02 am
Kathy, Obama is not from the Middle East. He is AMERICAN. That’s why he can run for president….DOH! His father was Kenyan…that’s in Africa…in the south….not the middle east….DOH! I won’t even go into your atrocious spelling…DOH! Seems there are a lot of prayers around here wasted on not asking for a brain. But it’s illuminating. I never knew so many crazies could afford internet connections…unless…are you those creepy looking people at the library?
^^Does your mommy know you’re playing on the internet again? Seriously, that sounded like the argument of an 8 year-old. Yes, crazies (aka Christians) can afford internet connections. Some of us even live in $3 million homes that have indoor plumbing and everything! It’s astounding that some people want to label others as rascist because they’re not voting for a black man, then turn around and label Christians as dim-witted hillbillies. Seems a lot of atheism is wasted on people who badly need hope to compensate for blood-curdling desperation.
As for Obama’s heritage, yes he’s American, and shockingly, you are once again correct: Kenya is not the Middle East. However, for Obama’s most formative years he was raised in the middle east by his mother and muslim step-father and he attended a 90% muslim school. You cannot tell me that he was immersed in the muslim culture for his most impressionalble years and still retains no muslim influence. Of course he’s a “Christian” now. In a post-9/11 world a muslim man has no chance of ascending to the most powerful position in the country. And Barack is anything if not power-hungry. You HAVE to be to run for President-it’s a prereqisite.
From the minute I heard Barack Obama speak, my gut told me there was something off about this guy. No one can say for sure if he’s the Antichrist, but no one can say for sure that he’s NOT. I’m not an atheist, but I’m not a full-blown fundamentalist Christian either. (However I will point out that there is more evidence that Jesus Christ existed than is George Washington existed.) All I know is that there is indeed a higher power and whether nor not the idea of the antichrist is factual, my insticts tell me that Obama is bad news. Everyone is entitled to their opinions, but any logical person understands that just because someone does not agree with you, that does not a moron make. But just to be safe, if Obama does turn out to be the antichrist, start stocking the prison you created for yourself.
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June 13th, 2008 at 5:25 am
Wow! That’s an amazing combination of condescension, illogical postulatation, aggressive rhetoric, inaccurate translation and defensiveness you have packed into three rambling paragraphs, Addisonavery.
I believe I presented some facts and topped it off with a dollop of sarcasm. If it’s an argument in the style of some 8 year-olds that you seek, one follows the sentence “Seriously, that sounded like the argument of an 8 year-old.”
Have you ever thought about downsizing to a $1 million home and investing the rest in psycotherapy and copies of “The Idiot’s Guide to Comedy” and “Relevance Logic for Dummies”?
[.]
June 13th, 2008 at 8:46 am
I was sitting here thinking about how things have change over time from a child to mother to a grand mother and how we change to fit each one it just happens we grow and learn though each how time was back then and now we sit and think about how hard it was back then and look at now we probly flit back then this is bad wow then now look what some people go though so much more then I ve every did then the signs of the times have really change things have gotton a hole lot worse it basiclly I fill more people more problems more crime involeing children and so on food,gas,jobs,housing,familys, and every thing that you use that takes gas
is up and will continual to rise some fear whats next what new change is coming
theres going to be more no dought if this world keeps going down the path that we are on now I can just see people killing for food,gas what ever one may need so yes chances are coming are way thay have sence the start of till to the end of time
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June 13th, 2008 at 8:48 am
sorry I for got to use spell check sorry
[.]
June 13th, 2008 at 4:55 pm
WHEN I THINK ABOUT (HITLER),
I THINK OF THE WORD “HIT-MAN”!
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WHEN I THINK ABOUT (SADDAM HUSSEIN),
IT THINK OF BIBLICAL “SODDOM AND GOMORRAH!”
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AND WHEN I THINK ABOUT (BARACK),
I THINK OF THE WORD “ROCK” &
HIM THROWING SOME AT US!
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AND WHEN I THINK ABOUT (OBAMA),
I THINK OF THE WORD “BOMB” &
HIM BLOWING US UP WITH THEM!
NOW 1. (HIT-MEN),
2. (SODOM & GOMORRAH),
3. (ROCKS) AND
4. (BOMBS) ARE ALL BAD THINGS!
AND LETS US NOT FORGET TO ADD “(BARACK OBAMA)”
TO THE LIST OF BAD THINGS TOO!
BECAUSE HE WILL BE BAD FOR AMERICA
AND BAD FOR THE WHOLE WORLD!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
*SO DON’T VOTE FOR HIM!
*DON’T FOLLOW HIM!
*DON’T WORSHIP HIM!
*AND DON’T RECEIVE HIS MARK!!
————————————–
FROM: Mister Truthful
EMAIL: owens_ruben@yahoo.com
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P.S. PLEASE EMAIL ME,
SO THAT I CAN ANSWER ANY OF YOUR
QUESTIONS, COMMENTS OR CONCERNS
ABOUT THE END TIME, THE WARS, THE
RAPTURE, THE BEAST OR THE ANTI-
CHRIST OR THE NEW BABYLON OR
HELL OR THE TRIBULATION OR THE
EARTHQUAKES OR THE MARK
OF THE BEAST!
[.]
June 13th, 2008 at 5:10 pm
(BARACK OBAMA) WILL BE BAD FOR AMERICA & THE WHOLE WORLD!!
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WHEN I THINK OF (HITLER),
I THINK OF HIT-MAN!
WHEN I THINK OF (SADDOM HUSSEIN),
I THNK OF BIBLICAL SODOM & GOMORRAH!
WHEN I THINK OF (BARACK),
I THINK OF ROCKS HE WILL THROW AT US!
WHEN I THINK OF (OBAMA),
I THINK OF BOMBS HE WILL BLOW US UP WITH!
NOW: 1. HIT-MAN
2. SODOM & GOMMORAH
3. ROCKS &
4. BOMBS
ARE ALL BAD THINS!
NOW ADD “(BARACK OBAMA)” TO
THE LIST OF BAD THINGS TOO!
———————————————-
BECAUSE HE WILL BE BAD FOR AMERICA
AND BAD FOR THE WHOLE WORLD!
———————————————-
**SO DON’T VOTE FOR HIM!
**DON’T FOLLOW HIM!
**DON’T WORSHIP HIM!
**AND DON’T RECEIVE HIS MARK!
————————————————————
FROM: Mister Truthful
EMAIL: owens_ruben@yahoo.com
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P.S. PLEASE EMAIL ME .
———————————————————————-
SO THAT I CAN ANSWER ANY OF YOUR
QUESTIONS, COMMENTS OR CONCERNS
ABOUT THE END TIME, THE WARS, THE
RAPTURE, THE BEAST OR THE ANTI-
CHRIST OR THE NEW BABYLON OR
HELL OR THE TRIBULATION OR THE
EARTHQUAKES OR THE MARK
OF THE BEAST!
[.]
June 13th, 2008 at 5:26 pm
(BARACK OBAMA) WILL BE BAD FOR AMERICA & THE WHOLE WORLD!!
——————————————————————-
WHEN I THINK OF (HITLER),
I THINK OF HIT-MAN!
WHEN I THINK OF (SADDOM HUSSEIN),
I THNK OF BIBLICAL SODOM & GOMORRAH!
WHEN I THINK OF (BARACK),
I THINK OF ROCKS HE WILL THROW AT US!
WHEN I THINK OF (OBAMA),
I THINK OF BOMBS HE WILL BLOW US UP WITH!
NOW: 1. HIT-MAN
2. SODOM & GOMMORAH
3. ROCKS &
4. BOMBS
ARE ALL BAD THINGS!
NOW ADD “(BARACK OBAMA)” TO
THE LIST OF BAD THINGS TOO!
———————————————-
BECAUSE HE WILL BE BAD FOR AMERICA
AND BAD FOR THE WHOLE WORLD!
———————————————-
**SO DON’T VOTE FOR HIM!
**DON’T FOLLOW HIM!
**DON’T WORSHIP HIM!
**AND DON’T RECEIVE HIS MARK!
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FROM: Mister Truthful
EMAIL: owens_ruben@yahoo.com
—————————————————————
P.S. PLEASE EMAIL ME .
———————————————————————-
SO THAT I CAN ANSWER ANY OF YOUR
QUESTIONS, COMMENTS OR CONCERNS
ABOUT THE END TIME, THE WARS, THE
RAPTURE, THE BEAST OR THE ANTI-
CHRIST OR THE NEW BABYLON OR
HELL OR THE TRIBULATION OR THE
EARTHQUAKES OR THE MARK
OF THE BEAST!
[.]
June 13th, 2008 at 5:42 pm
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THE LETTER “(B)” IN (BARACK) STANDS FOR (BEAST)!
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BECAUSE: HE IS THE ANTI-CHRIST (BEAST)
THAT THE BIBLE WARNS US ABOUT!
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SO READ REVELATION (CHAPTER 13)!!!!!
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FROM: Mister Truthful
EMAIL: owens_ruben@yahoo.com
—————————————————————
P.S. PLEASE EMAIL ME.
———————————————————————-
SO THAT I CAN ANSWER ANY OF YOUR
QUESTIONS, COMMENTS OR CONCERNS
ABOUT THE END TIME, THE WARS, THE
RAPTURE, THE BEAST OR THE ANTI-
CHRIST OR THE NEW BABYLON OR
HELL OR THE TRIBULATION OR THE
EARTHQUAKES OR THE MARK
OF THE BEAST!
[.]
June 13th, 2008 at 6:01 pm
Theres some thing I think is funny I want to both of those sites last night both were different got up want back to them again going to read them found out thy were both the same thats scary if you asked me of course you didn’t but just in case some one said something there is pages after pages of no then but that I would like to say some thing that won’t pro bely set to good but here goes if I was running for president and I know I was not guilty of what thy said I would not worrie about it just as bush Sr and bush Jr and others even Mrs Clinton was called the anti-Christ his reasons was not to hurt his election my answers is this if the ones that were voting for me were true to his cause then they would not be leave the rumors as such to me it makes him look guilty another thing if thy are rumors some day thy will die
[.]
June 13th, 2008 at 6:50 pm
We do all react to things differently. Obama’s choice as to what to do about the rumors may not be the same choice that you would make. People don’t always respond the same way to the same things.
To put this into context…there was a great deal of misinformation spread about John Kerry from the Swift Boat group and others. Kerry said very little about it in rebuttal. Many people in the news and in the Democratic party said that he should have stood up to them and proved them wrong. Some Republicans said that he didn’t rebut the ads and stories because they were true and he couldn’t. Whatever the reason, the people who were spreading the rumors had free reign to do so, since Kerry wouldn’t talk about them. John McCain also never put much effort into refuting the rumors spread by the supporters of George W. Bush that McCain had fathered a black baby. Some people called him a coward for not standing up to Bush.
It’s a ‘damned if you do, damned if you don’t’ situation. If he says nothing, then people can say that the rumors must be true, otherwise he’d deny them. If he denies them, then people say he’s being overly defensive, so there must be some truth to it.
I think, instead of wondering why someone either refutes the rumors or not, it’s more important to just find out whether or not the rumors are true.
[.]
June 13th, 2008 at 8:25 pm
that I agree that makes since I guess after thinking about it its un fair to think that he would due the same because we all due things different and react differently same with the world problem’s we may look at them in our whom way and come up with many different answers I don’t go to church but was rasied in church so were my childern doesn’t mean I stopped believing in him because I haven’t at all and still learning his love and at times its hard
[.]
June 13th, 2008 at 11:35 pm
Sure, Walrus, I’d love to read the books you mentioned. May I borrow them when you’re done?
As for my “innaccurate translation, sorry…I’m just going by what a man from Obama’s campaign told me a few months ago. If you wish to dispute the facts I stated, take it up with him. I won’t even get into the other jumbled descriptions you tried to pack into your post to sound intelligent.
[.]
June 14th, 2008 at 9:53 am
THE NAME (B-A-R-A-C-K) (H-U-S-S-E-I-N) (O-B-A-M-A)
HAS 18-LETTERS IN IT!
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AND OUT OF ALL THOSE LETTERS IN HIS NAME,
THE LETTER (A) SHOWS UP THE MOST!
BECAUSE HE IS THE (ANTI-CHRIST)!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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FROM: Mister Truthful
EMAIL: owens_ruben@yahoo.com
[.]
June 14th, 2008 at 2:35 pm
STAY TUNED BECAUSE :
—————————————————————
BARACK OBAMA (THE ANTI-CHRIST)
WILL TRY TO COPY-CAT THE
“(REAL CHRIST)”!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
————————————————————-
BECAUSE REMEMBER THIS IS HIS MAIN GOAL AND MAIN MISSION!
ITS (TO BE JUST LIKE THE MOST HIGH GOD ABOVE)!!!!
——————————————————————————-
FOR EXAMPLE:
————————————————————————
THE REAL CHRIST WANTS TO BE WORSHIPPED!
SO THEREFORE THE (ANTI-CHRIST) WILL ALSO
EVENTUALLY COMMAND PEOPLE TO WORSHIP HIM TOO!
OR BE KILLED!!
YES! I ASSURE THAT DAY IS COMING!
————————————————————
NOW TO PROVE THAT WHAT I JUST SAID ABOUT THE
“(ANTI-CHRIST)” HAVING A MAIN GOAL & MISSION TO
COPY-CAT THE “(REAL CHRIST”) IS TRUE,
—————————————————————
LETS TAKE OUR MINDS BACK TO THE BIBLE
AND REMEMBER:
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THAT “(JOHN THE BAPTIST)” WAS THE
“(FORE-RUNNER)” FOR THE “(REAL CHRIST)”
THAT PREPARED THE WAY FOR HIM
(THE REAL CHRIST) TO COME ON THE SCENE!
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NOW THE ANTI-CHRIST (BARACK OBAMA) WILL ALSO
TRY TO COPY THIS EVENT BY ALSO HAVING SOMEONE
BY THE NAME OF “(JOHN)” TO BE HIS “(FORE-RUNNER)” THAT:
PREPARES THE WAY FOR HIM (THE ANTI-CHRIST)
TO COME ON THE SCENE!!
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THE REASON THAT I KNOW THIS TO BE TRUE IS BECAUSE:
——————————————————–
ITS ALREADY HAPPENING RIGHT NOW!!!!!!
——————————————————
YES!
THE BIBLE IS UNFOLDING RIGHT BEFORE OUR
VERY OWN EYES!!!!
—————————————————————-
BECAUSE HAVE YOU EVER NOTICED THAT
“BARACK OBAMA” (THE ANTI-CHRIST) IS ALREADY
SURROUNDED BY MANY PEOPLE WHOSE FIRST
NAME IS “(JOHN)”!!
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FOR EXAMPLE:
——————————————————–
1. JOHN EDWARDS: TWO-TIME FORMER PRESIDENTIAL
CANDIDATE AND (DEMOCRAT) THAT
HAS NOW ENDORSED & SUPPORTS
(BARACK OBAMA).
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2. JOHN MCCAIN: (A REPUBLICAN THAT KEEPS
GETTING HIS WORDS CONFUSED
& MIXED UP!
AND KEPT ON GETTING SHIAS AND SOONIES
MIXED UP PERHAPS ON PURPOSE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
————————————————————–
AND EVERY TIME HE DOES THIS, IT CALLS
ATTENTION TO HIS “AGE” BECAUSE HE IS A
LOT OLDER THAN “(BARACK OBAMA)”
AND HE IS AT LEAST 71-YEARS OLD!!!!!!!!
——————————————————————-
SO PERHAPS “(JOHN MCCAIN)” IS GETTING
WORDS AND ISSUES AND VIEWS
CONFUSED AND MIXED UP ON PURPOSE!!
——————————————————–
AND VERY OFTEN I MIGHT ADD!!
—————————————————
AND HE (JOHN MCCAIN) HAS ALSO BEEN
DETERMINED TO CONTINUE THE (WAR IN IRAQ)!
REGARDLESS OF HOW UNPOPULAR IT IS WITH
THE AMERICAN PEOPLE!
————————————————————————
THEREFORE: THESE (2) ABOVE THINGS MAY CAUSE
PEOPLE NOT TO VOTE FOR HIM
(JOHN MCCAIN), BUT TO VOTE FOR
“(BARACK OBAMA)” INSTEAD!!
—————————————————————-
BECAUSE IT LOOKS LIKE ITS ALREADY BEEN
SET UP THAT WAY FOR JOHN MCCAIN TO
PURPOSELY LOSE AND LET
“(BARACK OBAMA)” WIN THE
PRESIDENTIAL ELECTION!
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THEREFORE I BELIEVE THAT THIS IS HOW
THE ANTI-CHRIST “(BARACK OBAMA)”
WILL RISE TO POWER!
————————————————————–
AND WATCH OUT AND LOOK OUT WORLD
WHEN HE DOES!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
—————————————————————
3. JOHN KERRY: A FORMER PRESIDENTIAL CANDIDATE
& DEMOCRAT WHO ALSO ENDORSES
AND SUPPORTS BARACK OBAMA’S
CANDIDACY.
————————————————————–
4. JOHN F. KENNEDY: A DECEASED (FORMER PRESIDENT)
WHOM BARACK OBAMA HAS BORROWED
SPEECH PHRASES FROM!
———————————————————————
SUCH AS THE ONE THAT SAYS:
LET US NEVER NEGOTIATE
OUT OF FEAR, BUT LET US
NEVER FEAR TO NEGOTIATE!
———————————————————————
AND ALSO CAROLINE KENNEDY IS
THE DAUGHTER OF FORMER
PRESIDENT “(JOHN F. KENNEDY)”
—————————————————-
AND I THINK SAID ITS BECAUSE OF THE
VERYI NSPIRING SPEECHES GIVEN BY
HER FATHER, SHE SAYS THAT THIS IS THE
REASON THAT SHE JOINED WITH AND ENDORSED
“(BARACK OBAMA)”!!
———————————————–
BECAUSE HIS SPEECHES INSPIRE HER
THE SAME WAY THAT HER FATHER’S
SPEECHES INSPIRED HER!!
———————————————————————–
TED KENNEDY (THE BROTHER) OF FORMER
PRESIDENT “(JOHN F. KENNEDY)” HAS
ALSO ENDORSED “(BARACK OBAMA)”
AND HIS CAMPAIGN!
————————————————-
AND HAS HELPED CAMPAIGN FOR HIM
BEFORE COMING DOWN WITH A STROKE
OR BRAIN CANCER!!
——————————————————————–
5. POPE JOHN PAUL-ll: (IS DECEASED) AND I BELIEVE
WANTED PEACE IN THE WORLD
& IN “(IRAQ)” JUST LIKE
“(BARACK OBAMA)” CLAIMS HE
WANTS TOO!
———————————————————————
THIS POPE (JOHN PAUL-ll) WAS ALSO
AGAINST THE “(WAR IN IRAQ)”
BEFORE HE DIED AND SENT SOMEONE
TO THE UNITED STATES TO TALK TO
PRESIDENT “(GEORGE BUSH)” TO
EXPRESS OPPOSITION AGAINST
THE WAR!
————————————————
AND SAID THE WAR IS A CRIME AGAINST
PEACE AND IS A VIOLATION OF INTER-
NATIONAL LAW!
AND THAT DIPLOMACY SHOULD BE
USED INSTEAD OF WAR!
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AND “(BARACK OBAMA)” IS BASICALLY
SAYING THE SAME THING ABOUT THIS
“(WAR IN IRAQ)”!
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6. JON FAVREAU: IS “(BARACK OBAMA’)” PERSONAL
AND CHEIF SPEECH-WRITER
FOR HIS PRESIDENTIAL CAMPAIGN!
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AND SOME OF THESE SPEECHES HAVE
BEEN REAL WINNERS AND ALSO VERY
INSPIRING!!
EVEN TO THE YOUNG PEOPLE!!
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SO NOW LETS PLEASE STAY TUNED
TO FIND OUT WHICH OF THE ABOVE (6 JOHNS)
WILL BE THE FORE-RUNNER THAT PREPARES THE WAY FOR “(BARACK
OBAMA)”, (THE ANTI-CHRIST) TO RISE TO POWER OR BECOME THE
PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES!
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BECAUSE JUST LIKE THE (REAL CHRIST) HAD A
FORE-RUNNER BY THE NAME OF (”(JOHN)” THAT PREPARED
THE WAY FOR HIM TO COME ON THE SCENE!
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I ASSURE YOU THAT SO WILL THE FALSE CHRIST
(OR ANTI-CHRIST) ALSO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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SO LETS STAY TUNED PLEASE!!
TO SEE WHICH “(JOHN)” IT WILL BE THAT PREPARES
THE WAY FOR “BARACK OBAMA” (THE ANTI-CHRIST)
TO COME ON THE SCENE!!
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BECAUSE THIS SHOULD BE INTERESTING
TO WATCH UNFOLD!!!!
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FROM: Mister Truthful
EMAIL: owens_ruben@yahoo.com
——————————————
P.S.*** PLEASE EMAIL ME:
————————————————-
SO THAT I CAN ANSWER ANY OF YOUR
COMMENTS, CONCERNS OR QUESTIONS
ABOUT THE BEAST, THE ANTI-CHRIST,
THE MARK OF THE BEAST,
THE TRIBULATION, THE WARS,
THE EARTHQUAKES, THE END TIME,
HELL, THE RAPTURE, OR THE NEW BABYLON!
—————————————————–
BECAUSE THESE ARE THE
THINGS THAT I HAVE STUDIED!
[.]
June 14th, 2008 at 4:45 pm
Well that sure was something what mister truthful just write it sounds just write that is happen now
[.]
June 14th, 2008 at 4:53 pm
If John McCain seems to not know what he’s talking about so that you vote for Obama, who you think is the anti-christ, and the anti-christ has to happen for prophesy to be fulfilled, then you should vote for Obama. If John McCain seems not to know what he’s talking about because he doesn’t know what he’s talking about, then you should vote for Obama because John McCain isn’t up to the job. What’s the problem, MisterTRUTHFUL? Whichever is true, it seems that Obama is the right choice.
[.]
June 15th, 2008 at 4:14 pm
MORE CLUES & WISDOM ABOUT BARACK OBAMA (THE ANTI-CHIRST)
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REVELATION CHAPTER (13) LETS US KNOW SOME
INFORMATION ABOUT THE (ANTI-CHRIST)!!
————————————————————–
WHY CHAPTER (13)?
AND WHY NOT CHAPTER (14)?
————————————————————-
ITS SIMPLE!
—————————————————————-
ITS BECAUSE BARACK OBAMA (THE ANTI-CHRIST) WAS
A MEMBER OF THE (ILLINOIS) STATE SENATE
FROM THE (13th) DISTRICT!!
——————————————————————–
AND IF WE THINK ABOUT IT, THE WORD (CHAPTER)
AND THE WORD (DISTRICT) CAN MEAN ABOUT THE
SAME THING!!
————————————————————
BECAUSE WHEN YOU JOIN AN ORGANIZATION OR
WHEN YOU BECOME A MEMBER OF AN ORGANIZATION,
YOU CAN BE PART OF A CERTAIN (CHAPTER) OR PART OF
A CERTAIN (DISTRICT) WITHIN THAT ORGANIZATION!!
————————————————————–
**AND I AM PRETTY SURE THAT
EVEN THE “(AMERICAN RED CROSS)”
NON-PROFIT ORGANIZATION
HAD OR HAS SOMETHING CALLED THE
FIRST CAPITAL (”DISTRICT CHAPTER”)
OF THE AMERICAN RED CROSS!
—————————————————————–
THEREFORE SINCE THE BIBLE WAS NOT WRITTEN IN
(DISTRICTS), BUT IT WAS WRITTEN IN (CHAPTERS),
WE FIND INFORMATION ABOUT THE (ANTI-CHRIST)
NAMED (BARACK OBAMA) IN THE (13th) CHAPTER
OF REVELATION INSTEAD OF THE (13th) (DISTRICT
OF REVELATION!!
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BECAUSE REVELATION (13:18) SAYS HERE IS WISDOM!
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WHY?
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BECAUSE THIS VERSE (IN CHAPTER 13) IS TRYING TO
GIVE US SOME WISDOM, SOME INFORMATION AND
SOME CLUES ABOUT WHO THE (ANTI-CHRIST) IS!!
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I CAN ASSURE YOU THAT IT IS (BARACK OBAMA)!!
——————————————————————-
HE WAS AN (ILLINOIS) STATE SENATOR FROM THE (13th) DISTRICT!!
——————————————————————-
THEREFORE HE IS MENTIONED IN THE
(13th) CHAPTER OF THE BOOK OF REVELATION!!
——————————————————————–
FROM: Mister Truthful
EMAIL: owens_ruben@yahoo.com
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P.S.*** PLEASE EMAIL ME:
———————————————————-
SO THAT I CAN ANSWER ANY OF YOUR
COMMENTS, CONCERNS OR QUESTIONS
ABOUT THE BEAST, THE ANTI-CHRIST,
THE MARK OF THE BEAST,
THE TRIBULATION, THE WARS,
THE EARTHQUAKES, THE END TIME,
HELL, THE RAPTURE, OR THE NEW BABYLON!
————————————————————
BECAUSE THESE ARE THE THINGS THAT I HAVE STUDIED!
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[.]
June 15th, 2008 at 5:48 pm
I WANT TO AGREE WITH MISTER TRUTHFUL ON HIS WISDOM OF THE THINGS THAT ARE HAPPEN I CAME UP AGAINST A LOT OF PROBLEMS WITH FAMILY AND COMPUTER AND THROUGH THE GRACE OF GOD IVE SO FAR HAVE MADE IT THROUGH WHEN YOUR NOT DOING RIGHT IN LIFE THEN YOU DON’T HAVE ANY PROBLEMS BECAUSE SATAN DOESN’T HAVE TO WORRIE HE ALL READY AS YOU BUT WHEN YOU START READING AND GIVE YOUR LIFE TO CHRIST THEN YOU HAVE ALL SORTS OF PROBLEMS BECAUSE SATAN KNOWS HE NO LONGER HAS YOU AND HIS TIME IS SHORT I WELCOME THE TRAILS THAT I AM HAVING BECAUSE THERE NOT JUST MINE THY ARE ALSO HIS BECAUSE IVE GIVING THEM TO ARE LORD THERE ARE MANY ANTI-CHRIST IN THE WORLD IF YOU DON’T BE LIVE IN HIM THEN YOU HAVE ANOTHER GOD THERE ARE ALSO A LOT OF FALSE PROFITS IN THE WORLD AND WE NEED TO LEARN THE DIFFERENCE THE BIBLE SAIDS WE ARE NOT TO BE OF THIS WORLD WE ARE NOT TO STORE UP ARE RICHES HERE ON EARTH BUT IN HEAVEN CHI STAINS NEED TO WAKE UP LISTEN READ LEARN WATCH WE ARE TOLD TO DUE THIS WE ARE WARNED ABOUT BEING A SLEEP OUR LORD IS REAL EVERY THING HE SAIDS IS TRUE HE SAIDS WHAT TO WATCH FOR THIS WORLD IS ONLY GOING TO GET WORSE AS WE GET CLOSER TO THE END IF WE DON’T KEEP A EYE ON THIS AND PEOPLE WE WILL BE DECEIVED AND WILL FOLLOW HIM TO HELL I PRAY EVERY DAY NOT TO BE LEAD ASTRAY IF IN DOUGHT I LOOK IN THE BIBLE FOR MY SELF
[.]
June 15th, 2008 at 6:23 pm
I never thought I would see “MisterTRUTHFUL” and “wisdom” used in the same sentence. When people confuse the hocus-pocus of his numerical manipulation for proof of his wisdom, then superstition and the occult wins. That, alone, could be the sign the end of the world is upon us.
[.]
June 15th, 2008 at 7:08 pm
OH NO! Flybird has succumbed to Mister Truthful’s siren call of all capital letters. We’ve lost her to the dark side of poor net etiquette.
Flybird, please, please don’t type in all capital letters, here or anywhere else, it’s really difficult/irritating to read. I tolerate Mister Truthful because I don’t think he’s a real person and is hence immune from criticism, but I know that you’re real and actually read people’s responses. Take a look at what everyone else has said and note that only one person writes in all capital letters, and he’s the one using numbers to try to convince us that Obama is the anti-christ. I don’t think you’re so far gone to think that somebody’s name alone would mark them as the anti-christ, certainly at least not through goofy numeric manipulation.
I desire a return to the typographic status quo.
[.]
June 15th, 2008 at 7:29 pm
DoorFrame are you saying you think he’s a Rush Limbot? I know, I know….groaner comedy at it’s worst…
[.]
June 15th, 2008 at 8:03 pm
I only used the capital letters was because I wouldn’t make a mis take with my capitals which would make me even look worse then I already due not just on the net but when I right letters to here in Arizona gas has going up to 4.21 in some places so has food I noticed that just the every day things are up in price about three weeks ago I paid .99 for a loaf of bread now its 1.65 milk is up to 4.49 and store brand 3.49 not on sell everyone I know is cutting back on other soft to pay for gas glad my my friends husband works about two miles from work because the next bigger town is 17 miles theres mesa and gilbert but there at least 10 miles to get in to the real town I my son and ex lives over in A.J 30 miles from were I live he has to put 60 dollars a week to just get back and forth to work up here thy had on t.v that the stores were a little concern about raising the cost of some food so there just putting less chips in and less what ever in ice cream is getting smaller I think thy said by a oz or so
[.]
June 16th, 2008 at 9:49 am
wanted to say I saw on u tube a guy named ken gentry he’s a new age person his name is ken Gertry so be careful he clams evry thing in rev. happen in 68 to 70 AD not so read your bible
[.]
June 16th, 2008 at 12:28 pm
NO GOD HAS NOT GIVEN US THE SPIRIT OF (FEAR)
OR THE SPIRIT OF (SUPERSTITION), BUT:
———————————————-
FOR SOME REASON THERE ARE THREE(3)
NUMBERS THAT REALLY STAND OUT
TO MANY PEOPLE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
———————————————-
AND THEY ARE:
———————————————-
1. THE NUMBER (13)
2. THE NUMBER (666) &
3. THE NUMBER (911)
AND GOD ALREADY KNOWS THAT THESE
THREE(3) NUMBERS (STAND OUT) TO MANY
PEOPLE BECAUSE HE KNOWS EVERYTHING!!!
————————————————-
*SO I FEEL THAT THIS IS THE REASON THAT
REVELATION CHAPTER (13) MENTIONS
ONE OF THE BEAST ( OR ANTI-CHRIST)!!
——————————————————–
*AND I FEEL THAT THIS IS WHY ISAIAH (66:6)
ALSO MENTIONS ONE OF THE BEAST (OR ANTI-CHRIST)!!
———————————————————-
*AND I ALSO FEEL THAT THIS IS WHY REVELATION (9:11)
ALSO MENTIONS ONE OF THE BEAST (OR ANTI-CHRIST)!!
———————————————————–
NOW BARACK OBAMA IS THE BEAST (ANTI-CHRIST) THAT
IS MENTIONED IN REVELATION CHAPTER (13)!
————————————————————-
AND I CAN ASSURE YOU THAT HIS:
(NAME), (BIRTH-DATE), (PHONE NUMBER) & (ZIP-CODE)
ALL ADD UP TO (666)!!
————————————————-
SO AS I TYPE THIS, I STILL CAN NOT FIGURE
OUT WHAT PART THAT SOME PEOPLE OUT THERE
DON’T UNDERSTAND!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
————————————————
BECAUSE IF WE CAN COUNT MONEY AND
(DOLLAR-BILLS), WE SHOULD BE ABLE TO COUNT
THE (NUMBER) OF THE BEAST WHICH IS (666)!!
—————————————————
FROM: Mister Truthful
EMAIL: owens_ruben@yahoo.com
————————————————
P.S.*** PLEASE EMAIL ME:
SO THAT I CAN ANSWER ANY OF YOUR
COMMENTS, CONCERNS OR QUESTIONS
————————————————
ABOUT THE BEAST, THE ANTI-CHRIST,
THE MARK OF THE BEAST,
THE TRIBULATION, THE WARS,
THE EARTHQUAKES, THE END TIME,
HELL, THE RAPTURE, OR THE
NEW BABYLON!
———————————–
BECAUSE THESE ARE THE
THINGS THAT I HAVE STUDIED!
[.]
June 16th, 2008 at 1:19 pm
MisterTRUTHFUL, revelation-bot or superstitious fool (whichever you may be) – As Troeltsch and others pointed out previously, the numbers you cite apply to the name, phone number, zipcode and birthdate of many people. That’s the problem with numerology. You can manipulate it to ‘prove’ almost anything you want it to.
Not only do these numbers apply to many people, but when you don’t get the number you want, then you change how the number is found (ie, 18=6+6+6). If you had followed your previous rules of calculation, the 18 would equal 9. Since 9 won’t prove your point, you change the formula for that one instance. Not only does this not prove your postulate, but it actually increases the number of subsets of people to whom it applies.
Until all your calculations and indicators (such as ’seas’) all point to one person, and only one person, you don’t have proof of anything. Until your formulations are constant, you have bad math. At this point, all you have are twisted calculations and bad rhymes. The problem is not that we don’t understand, but that you haven’t proven your hypothesis.
[.]
June 16th, 2008 at 2:12 pm
I don’t understand a lot of things but I try to and if that makes me a bad person then so be it years ago when a friend tried to tell me some thing about the bible I didn’t listen and she sent me a few verse that I would like to share N.K.J. Isaiah 5:21—– woe to those who are wise in there own eyes and prudent in their own sight !!!
Isaiah 6:8—– also I heard the voice of the lord saying whom shall I send and who will go for us this I said here am I send me
Isaiah 6:9—–And he said go and tell this people! keep on hearing but do not under stand keep on seeing but do not perceive
Isaiah 6:10—– Make the heart of this people calloused make their ears dull and close their eyes other wise they might see with there eyes hear with their ears understand with their hearts and turn be healed
[.]
June 16th, 2008 at 2:32 pm
NOW THAT THE ANTI-CHRIST (BARACK OBAMA) HAS
BEEN REVEALED TO US, ITS TIME FOR THE “KEY”
PERSON (NAMED – JOHN) TO BE REVEALED TO US!!
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JOHN HAGEE: (T.V. PASTOR & EVANGELIST W/CONTROVERSIAL WORDS).
JOHN MCCAIN: (OBAMA’S OPPONENT W/SEVERAL VERBAL ERRORS).
JOHN KERRY (FORMER DEMOCRATIC PRES.-CANDIDATE, SUPPORTS (B.O.).
POPE JOHN PAUL-ll (DECEASED BUT OPPOSED IRAQ-WAR -VS.- DIPLOMACY).
JOHN EDWARDS (FORMER 2X DEMOCRATIC CANDIDATE & SUPPORTS (B.O.).
JOHN F. KENNEDY (FORMER, DEAD PRES. WHOSE FAMILY ENDORSES (B.O.).
JON FAVREAU (OBAMA’S SPEECH-WRITER).
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YES! I FEEL THAT ONE OF THESE (JOHNS) WILL BE THE
FORE-RUNNER FOR AND PREPARE THE WAY FOR
THE ANTI-CHRIST (BARACK OBAMA) TO COME ON THE SCENE!!
———————————————————————
BECAUSE JOHN (THE BAPTIST) WAS THE FORE-RUNNER FOR
AND PREPARED THE WAY FOR THE REAL (JESUS CHRIST) TO
COME ON THE SCENE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
———————————————————————–
SO STAY TUNED! !
BECAUSE THE ANTI-CHRIST (BARACK OBAMA)
WILL COPY-CAT THIS EVENT!!
————————————————–
HE WILL ALSO TRY TO COPY-CAT
FIRE, THUNDER OR LIGHTNING ALSO!
————————————————–
AND MAKE IT COME DOWN FROM HEAVEN!!
——————————————————
SO READ: REVELATION (13: 13) SOON!!
——————————————————
FROM: Mister Truthful
EMAIL: owens_ruben@yahoo.com
——————————————————-
P.S.*** PLEASE EMAIL ME:
—————————————————-
SO THAT I CAN ANSWER ANY OF YOUR
COMMENTS, CONCERNS OR QUESTIONS
——————————————-
ABOUT THE BEAST, THE ANTI-CHRIST,
THE MARK OF THE BEAST,
THE TRIBULATION, THE WARS,
THE EARTHQUAKES, THE END TIME,
HELL, THE RAPTURE, OR THE
NEW BABYLON!
——————————————
BECAUSE THESE ARE THE
THINGS THAT I HAVE STUDIED!
[.]
June 16th, 2008 at 3:03 pm
The design that circle that has that bird in it that is behind obama the bird is called the phoenix was a Egyptian bird that died and was reborn… the most popular variant of the phoenix symbolizes immortality and life after death the neck of the bird is longer and the beak is also different then a dove or any bird its on his jet and he stands in front of it on the web
[.]
June 16th, 2008 at 3:05 pm
THERE ARE FOUR(4) WORDS THAT STAND OUT
TO MANY MANY PEOPLE AND THEY ARE:
—————————————————————–
1. OSAMA********** (AS IN BIN-LADEN, THE TERRORIST)
2. HUSSEIN********* (AS IN SADDAM HUSSEIN)
3. B.O.************ (SOMETHING THAT SMELLS AWEFUL)
4. SINNER********** (AS IN MUSLIM OR ATHEIST)
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**NOW (OSAMA) RHYMES WITH (OBAMA)!!
**AND (HUSSEIN) IS BARACK OBAMA’S (MIDDLE NAME)!!
**AND (B.O.) ARE THE INITIALS OF (BARACK OBAMA)!!
**AND (SENATOR) OBAMA SOUNDS ALMOST LIKE (SINNER) OBAMA !!
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SO FILL IN THE BLANK!! = ( ________________________ )
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BECAUSE GOD WANTED PARTS OF (BARACK OBAMA’S)
NAME TO PURPOSELY STAND OUT TO US LIKE
A (SORE THUMB) OR A (SNAKE)!!
———————————————————–
SO THAT WE WOULD EASILY BE ABLE TO
RECOGNIZE THAT HE IS THE (ANTI-CHRIST)!!
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I ASSURE YOU THAT HE IS!!
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SO DON’T VOTE FOR HIM!
DON’T FOLLOW HIM!
DON’T WORSHIP HIM!
AND DON’T RECEIVE HIS MARK (OR 666)!
——————————————————-
FROM: Mister Truthful
EMAIL: owens_ruben@yahoo.com
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P.S.*** PLEASE EMAIL ME:
————————————————————–
SO THAT I CAN ANSWER ANY OF YOUR
COMMENTS, CONCERNS OR QUESTIONS
————————————————————–
ABOUT THE BEAST, THE ANTI-CHRIST,
THE MARK OF THE BEAST,
THE TRIBULATION, THE WARS,
THE EARTHQUAKES, THE END TIME,
HELL, THE RAPTURE, OR THE
NEW BABYLON!
——————————————————-
BECAUSE THESE ARE THE
THINGS THAT I HAVE STUDIED!
[.]
June 16th, 2008 at 3:11 pm
How can I get this website to stop emailing me? I’m so sick of this.
[.]
June 16th, 2008 at 3:13 pm
seriously!
[.]
June 16th, 2008 at 3:58 pm
Mr Truthful types in all caps because he is stern and strong and trying to send a message. Many will be blinded and deceived by the Prince of Darkness. Mr. Truthful feels deeply that he must say it everyway possible, as to touch one person he may have not previously touched. I feel Mr. Truthfuls desire to spread the news before it is too late.
Don’t let it be too late for you. Turn from Obama, and look at Jesus, Lord and Saviour. Jesus is the only way to true peace!
[.]
June 16th, 2008 at 4:00 pm
Orlando, at the bottom of this page there’s a link that says “Manage subscriptions.” You can change your contact preferences there.
If that doesn’t work, let me know and I’ll look into removing you manually.
[.]
June 16th, 2008 at 4:02 pm
Wow, we’re building quite an anti-anti-christ team here. Tierny, why do you think Obama is the anti-christ?
[.]
June 16th, 2008 at 4:35 pm
DoorFrame –
The question should be “Why do you believe Obama is the anti-christ?”. There’s more believing than thinking going on here.
flybird –
Those verses apply to MisterTRUTHFUL or anyone, if they try to contort facts to further their own viewpoint. And what bird behind Obama are you talking about? There’s no bird on his campaign logo.
TIERNY –
(Another fan of caps lock) What makes you so sure that you know MisterTRUTHFUL’s motives? Maybe MisterTRUTHFUL is the Prince of Darkness. That would be a great name for the PoD.
Orlando –
Do stay at the zoo a little while longer. It’s almost feeding time.
[.]
June 16th, 2008 at 4:44 pm
THIS IS A TRUE STATEMENT:
———————————————————-
BETTER TO FOLLOW YOUR MOMA!
THAN TO FOLLOW “OBAMA”!!!!
———————————————————-
FROM: Mister Truthful
EMAIL: owens_ruben@yahoo.com
———————————————————-
—P.S.*** PLEASE EMAIL ME:
——————————————————-
SO THAT I CAN ANSWER ANY OF YOUR
COMMENTS, CONCERNS OR QUESTIONS
——————————————————
ABOUT THE BEAST, THE ANTI-CHRIST,
THE MARK OF THE BEAST,
THE TRIBULATION, THE WARS,
THE EARTHQUAKES, THE END TIME,
HELL, THE RAPTURE, OR THE
NEW BABYLON!
———————————————————-
BECAUSE THESE ARE THE
THINGS THAT I HAVE STUDIED!
———————————————————
[.]
June 16th, 2008 at 4:51 pm
THESE THREE (3) THINGS ARE SICK & SICKENING!!
—————————————————
1. THE ABOMINATION OF DESOLATION!!
2. THE OSAMA-NATION OF DESOLATION!!
3. THE OBAMA-NATION OF DESOLATION!!
—————————————————-
FROM: Mister Truthful
EMAIL: owens_ruben@yahoo.com
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P.S.*** PLEASE EMAIL ME:
——————————————————-
SO THAT I CAN ANSWER ANY OF YOUR
COMMENTS, CONCERNS OR QUESTIONS
———————————————————-
ABOUT THE BEAST, THE ANTI-CHRIST,
THE MARK OF THE BEAST,
THE TRIBULATION, THE WARS,
THE EARTHQUAKES, THE END TIME,
HELL, THE RAPTURE, OR THE
NEW BABYLON!
————————————————————-
BECAUSE THESE ARE THE
THINGS THAT I HAVE STUDIED!
[.]
June 16th, 2008 at 5:15 pm
SOME GOOD END-TIME ADVICE:
—————————————————
DON’T DARE MIX MIX MIX
WITH SIX SIX SIX!!
————————————————–
IN OTHER WORDS DON’T GET
MIXED UP WITH (BARACK OBAMA)!!
————————————————-
BECAUSE HE IS THE (ANTI-CHRIST)!!
————————————————
I ASSURE YOU HE IS!!
————————————————
SO READ: (REVELATION 14: 9-10) TO SEE
WHAT WILL HAPPEN TO YOU IF (YOU) ALLOW
YOURSELF TO GET MIXED UP WITH HIM!!!!
——————————————–
FROM: Mister Truthful
EMAIL: owens_ruben@yahoo.com
[.]
June 16th, 2008 at 6:01 pm
this is one
site were this bird is on
ttp://my.barackobama.com/page/content/fightthesmearshome/
[.]
June 16th, 2008 at 6:04 pm
this is another site with some what the same ball
http://www.lucistrust.org
[.]
June 16th, 2008 at 6:11 pm
heres good piture of the bird
http://www.cuttingedge.org/news/n1259.cfm
[.]
June 16th, 2008 at 6:38 pm
THE POLITICAL PRAYER FOR (2008)!!
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DEAR GOD PLEASE DON’T LET THE FOLLOWING THNGS BE TRUE:
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1. THAT “(JOHN MCCAIN)” IS DELIBERATELY GETTING
“(SHIAS)” & “(SOONIES)” MIXED UP JUST SO THAT
“(BARACK OBAMA)” CAN WIN THE ELECTION!!
**BECAUSE WE DON’T WANT HIM!!
———————————————————–
2. THAT “(CINDY-MCCAIN)” DELIBERATELY STOLE “(RECIPES)”
FROM THE “(FOOD-NETWORK)” AND PRETENDED AS IF
THEY WERE HER OWN “(RECIPES)”, JUST SO THAT SHE
COULD LOOK (BAD) IN THE EYES OF THE AMERICAN
PEOPLE SO THAT “(BARACK OBAMA)” CAN WIN THE ELECTION!!
**BECAUSE WE DON’T WANT HIM!!
——————————————————————
3. THAT “(JOHN MCCAIN)” DELIBERATELY SAID
HE WILL VETO EVERY SINGLE “(BEER)” INSTEAD OF VETO
EVERY SINGLE “(BILL)” JUST SO THE AMERICAN PEOPLE
WOULD THINK THAT HE HAS “(LOST HIS MIND)” SO
THAT “(BARACK OBAMA)” CAN WIN THE ELECTION!
*BECAUSE WE DON’T WANT HIM!!
—————————————————————
AS ALWAYS GOD, WE APPRECIATE YOU
FOR HEARING OUR PRAYER!!
—————————————————————–
FROM: Mister Truthful
EMAIL: owens_ruben@yahoo.com
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[.]
June 16th, 2008 at 7:05 pm
And for this cause God shall send them strong delusion, that they should believe a lie: That they all might be damned who believed not the truth, but had pleasure in unrighteousness.” 2 Thessalonians
[.]
June 16th, 2008 at 8:22 pm
flybird –
I’m not sure about the pin that Hillary is wearing, because there’s not a good enough closeup of it, but the one on the Obama site is the American eagle. Note the wheat and arrows that it is holding in it’s talons. It’s the same bird that is on our money, some state flags, etc. You can see a closeup of the emblem here… http://www.greatseal.com/
[.]
June 16th, 2008 at 8:24 pm
Wait, wait! Is it possible the bald eagle is the anti-christ?!? Or perhaps, US currency is the anti-christ!
I suddenly fear everything.
[.]
June 16th, 2008 at 8:52 pm
But wait, there’s more! This David Bay guy who runs cuttingedge.org seems, on cursory examination, to be quite a guy. He hates freemasons and thinks the USA was founded by occultists. He is against the preachng of Billy Graham because Graham was a freemason. He thinks King James was a homosexual, so he doesn’t use the KJV, but a “new world” translation of the Bible that rewords passages, aiming to apply them to a ‘new world order’ of freemasonry.
And, borrowing the rhyming skills of MisterTRUTHFUL…..Bay’s also an ex-spook….which rhymes with kook….which means he’s craaaaaaaaaaaazy, baby!
[.]
June 16th, 2008 at 10:25 pm
thanks doorframe.
[.]
June 16th, 2008 at 10:57 pm
Thats not the bird that i seen there is no why i would give you people the wrong bird if I wouldn’t of shaw it you guys wood of made fun of me something fer ice
I might be dumb but not that dumb I am still looking for it I know I seen it for sure no dought in my mine I will run across it again and when I due I won’t lose it again
[.]
June 17th, 2008 at 10:54 am
DEAR GOD, NONE OF THIS PLEASE!!
————————————–
1. UNITED STATES OF “(OSAMA)”!!
2. UNITED STATES OF “(OBAMA)”!!
————————————————-
BUT ONLY UNITED STATES OF AMERICA!!!!!!!
————————————————-
AND AS ALWAYS GOD, WE THANK YOU
FOR HEARING OUR PRAYER!!
————————————————
FROM: Mister Truthful
EMAIL: owens_ruben@yahoo.com
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[.]
June 17th, 2008 at 11:14 am
PLEASE TAKE THE (ANTI-CHRIST) QUIZ BELOW:
———————————————–
*THE BONUS QUESTION!!
———————————————-
WILL BARACK OBAMA (THE ANTI-CHRIST) BE
A) RIGHT-HANDED
B) LEFT-HANDED
C) UNDERHANDED
D) NONE OF THE ABOVE
E) ALL OF THE ABOVE
F) ONLY A. & B.
G) ONLY B. & C.
H) ONLY A. & C.
—————————————————
ANSWER: THE (CORRECT ANSWER) SHOULD BE (G)
BECAUSE HE APPEARS TO BE (LEFT-HANDED)
ON T.V., BUT ONCE HE RISES TO POWER HE
WILL ALSO BE (UNDERHANDED)!!!!
—————————————————-
I ASSURE YOU HE WILL!!
—————————————————
FROM: Mister Truthful
EMAIL: owens_ruben@yahoo.com
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[.]
June 17th, 2008 at 1:22 pm
Yes been all over the place thy say I have seem his birth records on the web and he was this he was that you can ask any teenager were can I get a fake I.D you can get birth records the same the people that come here to work can show you I D and some have been cought with fake birth records there so good they use experts to tell the difference so who would question them
[.]
June 17th, 2008 at 1:30 pm
Well, since you seem bound and determined to think he’s a liar, even if he shows proof he’s not, and you’re also determined to believe liars, even if they show no proof they’re telling the truth, there’s no point in talking about it anymore, is there? You’ll just believe what you want to believe, whether it’s true or not and whether there’s proof or not. I feel sorry for you. You’re the type of person bad people take advantage of all the time. And they’ll keep taking advantage of you, because you seem to like believing the worst about people and the lies.
[.]
June 17th, 2008 at 1:34 pm
I’m off, too, DoorFrame. These people are hopeless.
[.]
June 17th, 2008 at 2:43 pm
what you beleave may not be right to even though you get your information from some were as I due I read and take in as you due something brings you back here to read as well as I
any more in this day and age who knows the real truth about any thing
only thing we can be sure of is right here and now
if the bible was meant to be easy under stood then it would of been so in my op
pin thats why we are sup post to seek and fine and the door well be open to us
thats how I fill we gain under standing is by seeking out the bible and any other means of under standing that we have in front of us I didn’t just run a cross this sight I felt I was lead here and I have lent from you guys a lot I am talking about not just the bible but people in general
well I didn’t even know there was a thing called spell check I lent it here it was all new to me I spent a long time ready every thing I learnd a lot so I haven’t know regrets being on this site some times I miss the boat but thats me
[.]
June 17th, 2008 at 3:26 pm
“REVISED COPY”************************************
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NOW THAT THE ANTI-CHRIST (BARACK OBAMA) HAS
BEEN REVEALED TO US, ITS TIME FOR THE “KEY”
PERSON (NAMED – JOHN) TO BE REVEALED TO US!!
———————————————————————————
JOHN SOLOMON: (EXECUTIVE-EDITOR FOR WASHINGTON TIMES)
WHO ALLEGEDLY HID “KEY” FACTS CONCERNING
(OBAMA’) DISTRIBUTION OF (P.A.C. MONEY).
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JOHN HOLUM: (AN ADVISER TO “(BARACK OBAMA’S)” 2008
(PRESIDENTIAL-CAMPAIGN) THAT OPPOSES
THE “(BUSH)” FOREIGN POLICY BUT ENDORSES
FOREIGN POLICIES OF “(BARACK OBAMA)”.
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JOHN HAGEE: (T.V. PASTOR & EVANGELIST W/CONTROVERSIAL WORDS
OR STATEMENTS MADE ABOUT “(THE JEWISH PEOPLE)”.
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JOHN MCCAIN: (OBAMA’S OPPONENT WHOM HAS MADE SEVERAL
VERBAL ERRORS–INCLUDING GETTING “(SHIAS)” &
“(SOONIES)” MIXED UP EVEN THOUGH HE IS SUPPOSED
TO BE A (”WAR”) HEROE OR EXPERT!!
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JOHN KERRY (FORMER DEMOCRATIC PRES.-CANDIDATE, SUPPORTS
AND ENDORSES “(BARACK OBAMA)”.
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POPE JOHN PAUL-ll (DECEASED BUT OPPOSED IRAQ-WAR -VS.- DIPLOMACY).
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JOHN EDWARDS (FORMER 2X DEMOCRATIC CANDIDATE & SUPPORTS (B.O.).
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JOHN F. KENNEDY (FORMER, DEAD PRES. WHOSE FAMILY ENDORSES (B.O.)
& WHOM “(BARACK OBAMA)” HAS BORROWED SPEECH-
PHRASES FROM SUCH AS: “(LET US NEVER NEGOTIATE
OUT OF FEAR, BUT LET US NEVER FEAR TO NEGOTIATE!)”
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JON FAVREAU (OBAMA’S OWN PERSNAL “SPEECH-WRITER”).
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YES! I FEEL THAT ONE OF THESE (JOHNS) WILL BE THE
FORE-RUNNER FOR AND PREPARE THE WAY FOR
THE ANTI-CHRIST (BARACK OBAMA) TO COME ON THE SCENE!!
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BECAUSE JOHN (THE BAPTIST) WAS THE FORE-RUNNER FOR
AND PREPARED THE WAY FOR THE REAL (JESUS CHRIST) TO
COME ON THE SCENE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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SO STAY TUNED! !
BECAUSE THE ANTI-CHRIST (BARACK OBAMA)
WILL COPY-CAT THIS EVENT!!
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HE WILL ALSO TRY TO COPY-CAT
FIRE, THUNDER OR LIGHTNING ALSO!
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AND MAKE IT COME DOWN FROM HEAVEN!!
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SO READ: REVELATION (13: 13) SOON!!
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FROM: Mister Truthful
EMAIL: owens_ruben@yahoo.com
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P.S.*** PLEASE EMAIL ME:
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SO THAT I CAN ANSWER ANY OF YOUR
COMMENTS, CONCERNS OR QUESTIONS
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ABOUT THE BEAST, THE ANTI-CHRIST,
THE MARK OF THE BEAST,
THE TRIBULATION, THE WARS,
THE EARTHQUAKES, THE END TIME,
HELL, THE RAPTURE, OR THE
NEW BABYLON!
——————————————
BECAUSE THESE ARE THE
THINGS THAT I HAVE STUDIED!
[.]
June 17th, 2008 at 3:38 pm
DEAR WHOLE WIDE WORLD:
———————————————-
(OBAMA)
IS FULL OF (O’DRAMA)!!
AND WILL CAUSE (O’TRAUMA)!!!!
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(OBAMA)
IS FULL OF (O’DRAMA)!!
AND WILL CAUSE (O’TRAUMA)!!!!
———————————————–
**SO DON’T VOTE FOR HIM!!
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FROM: Mister Truthful
EMAIL: owens_ruben@yahoo.com
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[.]
June 17th, 2008 at 5:20 pm
BARACK OBAMA OFFERS US:
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CHANGE, CHANGE, CHANGE!!
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AND THIS IS:
TOO STRANGE, STRANGE, STRANGE!!
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WHY?
——————————————————-
BECAUSE “(BARACK OBAMA)” CONSTANTLY CONSTANTLY
CONSTANTLY CONSTANTLY TALKS ABOUT “(CHANGE)”!!!
———————————————————
AND (DANIEL 7: 25) IN THE BIBLE:
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LETS US KNOW THAT THE (”ANTI-CHRIST”)
WILL THINK TO OR TRY TO “CHANGE”
TIMES AND “CHANGE” LAWS!
——————————————————–
AND THE WORD “(CHANGE)” IS THE “HIGH-LIGHT”,
“FOCUS POINT” AND “KEY” WORD OF
“(BARACK OBAMA’S)” CAMPAIGN!!!
———————————————————
BECAUSE EVEN THE BLUE (POSTER-SIGNS) THAT PEOPLE
WHO ATTEND HIS CAMPAIGN-RALLIES HOLD UP SAY:
“IN BIG LETTERS” —– “CHANGE WE CAN BELIEVE IN”!!
——————————————————————
AND THE NEW (POSTER) THAT HE RECENTLY CAME OUT WITH SAYS:
“IN BIG LETERS” — “CHANGE” THAT WORKS FOR YOU!!
——————————————————————-
SO (DANIEL 7: 25) — LETS US KNOW THAT THE (”ANTI-CHRIST”)
WILL ATTEMPT TO DO THREE(3) THINGS IN THIS SCRIPTURE!!
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AND THEY ARE:
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1. SPEAK GREAT WORDS AGAINST GOD!
2. WEAR OUT THE SAINTS OF GOD!
3. THINK TO OR TRY TO “(CHANGE)” TIMES &
“(CHANGE)” LAWS!!
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BUT NOT NECESSARILY IN THAT ORDER!!
———————————————————–
SO LETS PAY ATTENTION TO THE (CLUES & HINTS) THAT GOD
GIVES US IN THE BIBLE ABOUT THE (”ANTI-CHRIST”) PLEASE!!
—————————————————————
INSTEAD OF WAITING ON IT TO JUST DROP OUT
OF THE SKY AND FALL DOWN IN OUR LAPS AND
SIT ON TOP OF A SILVER-PLATTER!!
—————————————————————
BECAUSE THIS IS NO COINCIDENCE!!
—————————————————————–
FROM: Mister Truthful
EMAIL: owens_ruben@yahoo.com
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P.S.*** PLEASE EMAIL ME:
——————————————————————
SO THAT I CAN ANSWER ANY OF YOUR
COMMENTS, CONCERNS OR QUESTIONS
ABOUT THE BEAST, THE ANTI-CHRIST,
THE MARK OF THE BEAST,
THE TRIBULATION, THE WARS,
THE EARTHQUAKES, THE END TIME,
HELL, THE RAPTURE, OR THE NEW BABYLON!
—————————————————–———————–
BECAUSE THESE ARE THE
THINGS THAT I HAVE STUDIED!
[.]
June 18th, 2008 at 1:43 pm
DEAR GOD, IF BARACK OBAMA (THE ANTI-CHRIST)
PUTS US UNDER (ONE-WORLD-GOVERNMENT), PLEASE
DON’T LET HIM FORCE THE FOLLOWING THINGS ON US!!
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OBAMA BIKES
OBAMA BURGERS
OBAMA BUTTONS
OBAMA BAKED-GOODS
OBAMA BLUE-JEANS
OBAMA BASE-BALLS
OBAMA BASKET-BALLS
OBAMA BISCUITS
OBAMA BIBLES
OBAMA BOWLING-BALLS
OBAMA BALLOONS
OBAMA BANK-ACCOUNTS!!
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AND AS ALWAYS GOD, WE THANK YOU
FOR HEARING OUR PRAYER!!
———————————————————
FROM: Mister Truthful
EMAIL: owens_ruben@yahoo.com
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[.]
June 18th, 2008 at 2:23 pm
Obama Balloons? That’s an odd fear. You’re seriously concerned about balloons?
[.]
June 18th, 2008 at 2:45 pm
BARACK IS (BAD-RACK)!!
BECAUSE HE IS THE (ANTI-CHRIST)
AND WILL BE (BAD) TO THE WHOLE WORLD
AND (BAD) FOR THE WHOLE WORLD!!!!
———————————————
OBAMA IS (O’CHARMER)!!
BECAUSE HE IS THE (ANTI-CHRIST)
TRYING TO (CHARM) THE AMERICAN PEOPLE
TO HELP TO PUT HIM IN OFFICE!!
———————————————-
BUT DON’T DO IT!!
———————————————–
FROM: Mister Truthful
EMAIL: owens_ruben@yahoo.com
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[.]
June 18th, 2008 at 3:28 pm
hey guys I stopped by this site and glad i did! cause
i thought i saw the word N.I.G.G.E.R. on it! So have
been scrolling up and down to find it again!
Now this type of language is the reason that
their is an Antichrist! Because he will be used
to enslave white people because of the different
types of slavery that whites have put black through!
Therefore God up above will show white people that
they are not really in control at all but they just
thought that they were! Because They will soon
be at the Mercy of the Anti-christ whoever he is!
So lets see will they think that slavery and
enslaving is still funny
to them! I don’t think so!
Think I might stick around on the site to see
what you guys are saying! Cause the word
N.I.G.G.E.R. ALSO has 6 letters in it! so maybe
the mark of the beast will say N.I.G.G.E.R. and be
stamped on the foreheads of all white people so
they can hate the day they ever came up
w/this word!!
glad I stopped by this site!
[.]
June 18th, 2008 at 3:57 pm
to whom it may fit this is what Ive been saying theres already a war of words going on and if some one didn’t say it then it would be made up to get some thing started I don’t look at color his a man and this man is already starting a war and he doesn’t have to due any thing yet If I was his color I would be prod not out to say things to disarmer him or are you one one those people that are going to use him to start carp between the whites and blacks it people like you thats going to set this country back 20 or 30 years and never talked about black the anti Christ the word of color never came up and it wouldn’t matter if heed be white what was bush his dad and what is Mrs Clinton excess me I must be color blind I thought thy were white
[.]
June 18th, 2008 at 4:55 pm
WE KNOW THERE WILL BE AN ANTI-CHRIST!
SO WE SHOULD ACCEPT IT BECAUSE
THE BIBLE CAN NOT TELL A LIE AND GOD CAN
NOT TELL A LIE!!
—————————————————
SO SINCE WE KNOW THERE WILL BE AN
ANTI-CHRIST, THEN WHY CAN’T IT BE
BARACK HUSSEIN OBAMA!!!
—————————————————————
WHAT IS SO SPECIAL ABOUT HIM THAT HE CAN’T
BE A SUSPECT OR CANDIDATE TO BE THE ANTI-CHRIST!!
—————————————————————–
BUT YET AND STILL SOME HAVE BOLDLY SAID
THAT (RONALD REAGAN) COULD BE THE (ANTI-CHRIST)!
SO WHY CAN’T BARACK OBAMA!!
———————————————-
THEY BOTH WORE PANTS!!
————————————————
FROM: Mister Truthful
EMAIL: owens_ruben@yahoo.com
[.]
June 18th, 2008 at 5:11 pm
I just happened to run across this web site and thought I would look. I can’t beleive this anti-Christ garbage. These born again Christians are born again NUTS.
[.]
June 18th, 2008 at 5:37 pm
at least I know were I going I am doing what I am suppost to due
flybird63@yahoo.com
[.]
June 18th, 2008 at 5:54 pm
Hey Gals & Guys I stopped by
To Say This:
First of all have I ever heard you use the word
N.I.G.G.E.R. before???
Because this type of language is the reason that
there is an Antichrist in the first place!
Because he will be used to enslave white people
because of the different types of slavery that whites
have put blacks through!
Therefore God up above will show white people that
they are not really in control at all but they just
thought that they were! Because They will soon
be at the Mercy of the Anti-Christ whoever he is!
So lets see will they still think that Slavery and
enslaving people is still funny to them!
I don’t think so!
Cause the word N.I.G.G.E.R. ALSO has 6 letters
in it! So maybe the Mark of the Beast will
say N.I.G.G.E.R. and will be stamped on the
foreheads of all white people so they can hate
the day they ever came up with this word!!
Then this way all will be N.I.G.G.E.R.S.
up under a N.I.G.G.E.R. named (Barack Obama)!!
So Maybe he will stamp the foreheads of
all white people with the word N.I.G.G.E.R
three times to equal (666)!
And perhaps he will make all white people fall
down on their hands and knees and apologize
to every black person (or N.I.G.G.E.R.) that they
have been unfair to, abused or mistreated in this
world! So get ready to be N.I.G.G.E.R.S. white people
because the day is coming! Sooner than you think!
Oh yeah, and before I forget, maybe “Barack Obama”
will make white people admit that their ancestors stole
money from Africans and African families by enslaving
them and making them work for free!
And maybe he will make all white people give
that money back to whom it rightfully belongs to
in the first place!
P.S. Cheer up white people! Now do you mean
to tell me that all of a sudden that word
N.I.G.G.E.R. isn’t funny to you anymore??
Or did you just think about the fact that soon
that same word could be stamped on your
forehead??
Or does it now all of a sudden bother you
that a N.I.G.G.E.R. or Barack Obama may
be running the world??
So are you saying that you don’t want
to be a N.I.G.G.E.R. up under a N.I.G.G.E.R.??
Why NOT? Isn’t it in your blood and in your
Genes!! Cause your ancestors sure didn’t
mind turning hard working people into
N.I.G.G.E.R.S. now did they!!
Glad I Stopped By!!
Hope I made a difference!
Be bold enough to pass it on!
Because your ancestors were bold
enough to enslave people and make
money off of them!!! Now Weren’t They!!
Could this be because they were really animals
and not people??
Or let me guess! Could this be because they
were so full of greed that they decided to
sell people for money instead of selling houses
and land for money! Has a nerve been struck!!
If so have the nerve to pass it on!!
And Remember N.I.G.G.E.R. three times
equals (666) right on white people’s foreheads!!
From the office of &
Signed: Dollar Bill
Not Creflo Dollar!
[.]
June 18th, 2008 at 6:15 pm
THE CORRECT AND OFFICIAL TITLE FOR (BARACK OBAM) IS:
“DEMOCRATIC PRESIDENTIAL NOMINEE–BARACK HUSSEIN OBAMA”!
———————————————————————
AND THIS PHRASE HAS EXACTLY 18-SYLLABLES IN IN!
SO COUNT THEM!!
—————————————————————–
SO IF WE BREAK DOWN THE NUMBER (18),
WE WILL GET (6 + 6 + 6)
——————————————————-
AND (6 + 6 + 6) = 18
—————————————————–
AND IF WE REMOVE THE PLUS SIGNS,
WE WILL GET (666)
——————————————————
AND (666) IS THE MARK OF THE BEAST!!
—————————————————–
SO NOT ONLY DOES (BARACK OBAMA’S) NAME
ALONE ADD UP TO (666) BUT ALSO HIS PRESENT
OFFICIAL (TITLE) ALSO ADDS UP TO (666) TOO!
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WHY?
————————————————————
BECAUSE HE’S THE (ANTI-CHRIST)!!
———————————————————–
I ASSURE YOU HE IS!!
———————————————————-
SO DON’T VOTE FOR HIM!
DON’T FOLLOW HIM!
DON’T WORSHIP HIM!
AND DON’T RECEIVE HIS MARK OR (666)!!!
————————————————————
FROM: Mister Truthful
EMAIL: owens_ruben@yahoo.com
———————————————————
P.S. PLEASE EMAIL ME .
———————————————————————-
SO THAT I CAN ANSWER ANY OF YOUR
QUESTIONS, COMMENTS OR CONCERNS
ABOUT THE END TIME, THE WARS, THE
RAPTURE, THE BEAST OR THE ANTI-
CHRIST OR THE NEW BABYLON OR
HELL OR THE TRIBULATION OR THE
EARTHQUAKES OR THE MARK
OF THE BEAST!
[.]
June 18th, 2008 at 6:17 pm
THE CORRECT AND OFFICIAL TITLE FOR (BARACK OBAMA) IS:
“DEMOCRATIC PRESIDENTIAL NOMINEE–BARACK HUSSEIN OBAMA”!
————————————————————————————
AND THIS PHRASE HAS EXACTLY (18)-SYLLABLES IN IN!
SO COUNT THEM!!
—————————————————————–————————-
SO IF WE BREAK DOWN THE NUMBER (18),
WE WILL GET (6 + 6 + 6)
——————————————————-
AND (6 + 6 + 6) = 18
—————————————————–
AND IF WE REMOVE THE PLUS SIGNS,
WE WILL GET (666)
——————————————————
AND (666) IS THE MARK OF THE BEAST!!
—————————————————–
SO NOT ONLY DOES (BARACK OBAMA’S) NAME
ALONE ADD UP TO (666) BUT ALSO HIS PRESENT
OFFICIAL (TITLE) ALSO ADDS UP TO (666) TOO!
————————————————————-
WHY?
————————————————————
BECAUSE HE’S THE (ANTI-CHRIST)!!
———————————————————–
I ASSURE YOU HE IS!!
———————————————————-
SO DON’T VOTE FOR HIM!
DON’T FOLLOW HIM!
DON’T WORSHIP HIM!
AND DON’T RECEIVE HIS MARK OR (666)!!!
————————————————————
FROM: Mister Truthful
EMAIL: owens_ruben@yahoo.com
———————————————————
P.S. PLEASE EMAIL ME .
———————————————————————-
SO THAT I CAN ANSWER ANY OF YOUR
QUESTIONS, COMMENTS OR CONCERNS
ABOUT THE END TIME, THE WARS, THE
RAPTURE, THE BEAST OR THE ANTI-
CHRIST OR THE NEW BABYLON OR
HELL OR THE TRIBULATION OR THE
EARTHQUAKES OR THE MARK
OF THE BEAST!
[.]
June 18th, 2008 at 6:45 pm
In regards to dollar bill
In regards to you blacks bring slavers you for get that the white people died giving you freedom. Where were the blacks hiding in a corner, while the white were fighting. For your freedom you black people, whine. If you don’t get what you want you riot, do you remember you blacks puled this guy out of his truck beat the crap out of him burned your own neighbor hoods and wanted help to rebuild stoled from each other just because two white cops got of with the crime thy did how may other people get of of crimes as well even your own at times all you black people due is sream racizem do you see the whites due these things NO even when there turned down for help and people like you walk out with it no I don’t think so
[.]
June 18th, 2008 at 6:57 pm
White on White crime:
White people molest their own flesh
and blood daughters!
Say it again!
White people mosest their own flesh
and blood daughters!!
And this is called white on white crime
instead of black on black crime!
Repent for this evil!
[.]
June 18th, 2008 at 6:57 pm
And by the way, I am beginning to thank that my nephew is right. May be you blacks should go back to Africa
[.]
June 18th, 2008 at 6:58 pm
Yikes, first we had the Christians, now we have the racists… I wonder who’s going to be coming along next.
[.]
June 18th, 2008 at 7:05 pm
My guess: 9/11 Truthers.
[.]
June 18th, 2008 at 7:08 pm
Doller Bill, You kill each other, You also have sex with your own douhgters. You don’t have any room to talk. You blacks need to grow up. There is more blacks in preson then whits. So what does that say about the blacks.
[.]
June 18th, 2008 at 7:09 pm
Any one ealse out there feel the same? lets hare from you.
[.]
June 18th, 2008 at 7:26 pm
Sue, please go away. Your racism is not welcome here. I tolerate the anti-christ people because they’re quaint, but your racism is sad and ugly. Find somewhere else to pick fights.
[.]
June 18th, 2008 at 7:35 pm
what about my racism? is that welcome here?
down with scots!
[.]
June 19th, 2008 at 12:06 am
DoorFrame I think they both should leave. Because dollar bill is just gonna start stuff, with other people.
[.]
June 19th, 2008 at 12:08 am
Ha, well, everyone’s on notice now. I’ll take care of issues from this point forward as they arise.
[.]
June 19th, 2008 at 1:06 am
I’m shocked! Shocked, I say! Sue is ignorant about history AND gramatically challenged. I always thought bigots were supposed to be geniuses…..a veritable Pantheon of Mensa members. I’m shocked, I say, shocked! :-p
I leave for one day and look at what you let happen, DoorFrame….geez!
[.]
June 19th, 2008 at 10:42 am
A DESCRIPTION OF THE ANTI-CHRIST—(BARACK OBAMA)!!
———————————————————
A—ABLE TO DRAW (BIG CROWDS)
N—NEW IN (U.S SENATE)
T—TINY
I—IN HIS (40’s)
C—CHICAGOE RESIDENT
H—HAWAII (BIRTH PLACE)
R—RAISES LOTS OF (CAMPAIGN FUNDS)
I—ILLINOIS RESIDENT
S–SIGNS HIS NAME (W/HIS LEFT HAND)
T–TALL & THIN
YES! ITS (BARACK OBAMA) ALRIGHT!!
BECAUSE HE IS THE (ANTI-CHRIST)!!
—————————————
From: Mister Truthful
EMAIL: owens_ruben@yahoo.com
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[.]
June 19th, 2008 at 11:30 am
Doorframe I admit I was rong for some of what I said, but not all. Also Dollarbill was also rong.
[.]
June 19th, 2008 at 12:00 pm
Am I forgiven?
[.]
June 19th, 2008 at 12:05 pm
I have a friend thats been trying to get back on to your site but unable to can you tell me what she has to due thank you
[.]
June 19th, 2008 at 12:07 pm
Ive been trying to commit but been unable to
[.]
June 19th, 2008 at 12:09 pm
what is this site about any way ?
[.]
June 19th, 2008 at 1:43 pm
I maybe a some what christened nut as some would say I only am trying to due what I am sub post to due I am trying to make sure every one don’t fall asleep as I’ve done as I said before I am not a church going christened now days but once was I do not attend church but do watch 21 t.b.n. and would not say things thats on this post or any thing if I did what kind of person would I be then turn around and say soft about the end times I want to ask a question’s does any one know were it saids in the bible that the anti-Christ will come out on the east No joke I am looking for the book and verse I know what you are thinking how come you talk about the end times and then ask a question’s about that well answer all my life I heard that and wanted to check it out my self for one reason
thank you
[.]
June 19th, 2008 at 2:22 pm
THE ANTI-CHRIST IS (BARACK OBAMA)!!
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6 6 6 =
SINNER SINNER SINNER =
SENATOR SENATOR SENATOR!
—————————————————–
BECAUSE “SENATOR” (BARACK OBAMA)
IS THE (ANTI-CHRIST)!!!!
——————————————————
FROM: Mister Truthful
EMAIL: owens_ruben@yahoo.com
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[.]
June 19th, 2008 at 3:50 pm
I’m not being racist or anything. But dollar bill The white people didn’t put black people into slavery… Action was also taken against African leaders who refused to agree to British treaties to outlaw the trade, for example against “the usurping King of Lagos”, deposed in 1851. Anti-slavery treaties were signed with over 50 African rulers… That’s from some college history texts…. Again I’m not BEING RACIST.
[.]
June 19th, 2008 at 4:06 pm
Jack Millennium, did you just say that white people didn’t put black people into slavery? Even if your assertion that somehow the black African leaders were the ones who concocted and executed the entire scheme were true (who were they selling to?), what about people who were born into slavery in America? Who exactly put them into slavery? Not white people?
If you ever have to preface and conclude a statement with “I’m not being racist,” you’re probably being racist.
[.]
June 19th, 2008 at 4:48 pm
To Jack Millenium (of comment #393)!
You are not speaking to a child! okay!!
It was whites that bought Blacks to America
by force! And it was not Blacks that had the
ship/boat to put blacks on to bring them to America by
force! But it was the white people! okay!!
And anyways two wrongs never make a right!!
So I am beginning to think that you are perhaps one
of those white people who enjoy changing the
SU.B.J.E.C.T.!
And If I talk about purple you might talk about pink!!
Instead of just sticking to the S.U.B.J.E.C.T.
Of Purple!
So there is no reason to justify this stink behavior
of white people! okay!! God doesn’t justify it so why should
human beings justify it!
So we should not get on the defense for the
wrong doings of others but we should condemn these
wrong doings! And not just Racism either! But rapes,
drugs, child abuse, etc.!
something for you to remember:
only fair people who call it like it is
go to heaven! Cause the others
go to hell!
I don’t believe in defending others or changing or
the subject to something else when someone
has commited an evil deed!
Not even for my own Family!
God is not a respector-of persons so what gives us
the right to be!!
What a bad habit!!
Office of Dollar Bill
Not Creflo Dollar.
[.]
June 19th, 2008 at 5:11 pm
Wow! Everybody needs to stop blaming everyone else and read a little history.
All races have been putting their own people and people of other races into slavery since the beginning of time. It doesn’t make it right, but blaming one race, and only one race, for it is ridiculous!
Second, Sue, unless you can offer some proof that your bigotted statements are actually supported by facts and statistics, stfu and grow up. One could also point out that there are more white serial killers than black, that whites are responsible for some of the most heinous crimes in history…do you really want to debate whether the white nazis or the black janjaweed are worse? All races have committed atrocities and there are hateful people of all races.
Plain and simple, both Sue and Bill are racists and bigots and they both need to get a grip and stop blaming entire races for their problems.
PS….DoorFrame – I could be wrong, but I don’t think Jack is being racist. I think he’s just citing history rather clumsily. The truth is that both white and black were responsible for the American slave trade. But you are correct that, just because someone is selling, doesn’t mean you have to buy.
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June 19th, 2008 at 5:13 pm
To Susan from (Comment #375, etc.)
Must be another S.U.B.J.E.C.T. changer on this blog!
First of all who are you to tell me what I have
forgotten! You don’t even know me to my knowledge!!
Have we met someplace before to the point that you
are all of a sudden able to tell me what I have forgotten
and what I have remembered!
Yes white people died for this cause!
Which has nothing to do with what I have said now
does it!!!
Because some whites died for this cause, but
also many many whites were part of the slave
trade ordeal themselves!!
And who can dispute that!!
So I have evidently met another S.U.B.J.E.C.T. changer!
And concerning the comment about balcks need to
go back to A.F.R.I.C .A., first of all I have never been
there, so it would be impossible for me to go back to
a place that I have never been to in the first place!
But listen carefully and very carefully!
White people are the ones that need to
go somewhere!
Because they smell and the more baths or showers
that they take and the wetter that their hair
and body gets, the more they smell!
So this is a curse thats on them!
They really really smell and no matter what they use
or how many baths they take, the smell gets worse!!
Because they smell like wet chickens, wet ducks, or wet dogs!
And this is not to make you laugh or cry but its
to help you see who is under the curse!
Perhaps this is called a hygeine curse or something!
Because for decaded or centuries, whties have not been
unable to get rid of this smell!
Why want God allow them to get rid of this Animal-smell?
I think its because of the A.N.I.M.A.L.I.S.T.I.C. nature they
have possesed in enslaving people!!
So I think that God said since you acted like an A.N.I.M.A.L.,
I will punish you by having you to smell like an A.N.I.M.A.L.
day after day after day NIGHT after night after night,
year after year after year!
Because we reap exactly what we sow! Not something
different!
Dollar Bill.
Dollar Bill.
Not Creflo Dollar!
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June 19th, 2008 at 5:19 pm
You can start educating yourselves here……
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Slavery
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crime_statistics
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June 19th, 2008 at 5:23 pm
This also makes me wonder why so many people were upset about Barack’s ‘bitter’ comment. Oh, right….It was because it was based in reality and people have a hard time admitting the truth about themselves when it’s so easy to point the finger at someone else.
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June 19th, 2008 at 5:31 pm
We still have not dealt with the terible smell on white
people that black people have to constantly
put up with!!
Another thing! If Barack Obama was
a dark-skinned person, he would not
be the nominee! But he would
just be another nobody to many many white people!
Because Willie Lynch started this color thing,
and its still going on today!
And as far as blaming another race for my problems!
What problems! I have none!
You see I met the great problem solver years ago
and he is God!
I have money, success, food, etc.
I am not in debt, I buy things with cash!
So I am just trying to show people how they treat other
people in this world who have darker skin than they do!
I don’t get treated like this because I don’t allow it
and God doesn’t allow it in my life
because I don’t half step when I serve him!
So he doesn’t half step with me when I need
something to get done either!
So I got it like that!
But I am just speaking up for the other people
in this world who get treated with racism and
disrespect and prejudiceness!
And like I said if Barack Obama was not a light-skinned
individual, white people would not be going crazy over
him! Or voting for him in great numbers either!
But he would be just another nobody to them
if his skin was real real dark!
And this is sad!
But thats why there is a heaven and a Hell!
Some go to Heaven and some go to Hell!
And I’m about to go off this computer and
enjoy the rest of my day!
Dollar Bill
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June 19th, 2008 at 5:37 pm
i may be a little confused, here, but *what* does this all have to do with “snakes on a plane?”
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June 19th, 2008 at 5:42 pm
Barack Obama’s bitter comment was
right on time!
What poor (non-rich) fool out there in their right mind is not bitter
about high gas prices as opposed to a little over
a dollar per gallon!
Or who isn’t bittler about the war in Iraq
thats causing many to be killed!
Soon who will females marry?
Want they (males) just about all be dead
in Iraq in the War already??
But white people try to turn a small issue
into a huge issue when its against a black man
thats about to control something or take control of
something especially the White house!
By the way its called the White house because
its really supposed to be for white people!
Because they did not have blacks in mind back then!
They hardly ever do!!
But this is why there is a Heaven and there is a Hell!
And some go to Heaven and some go to Hell!
P.s. We still have not dealt with the terrible smell on
white people that black people have to constantly
constantly put up with!
Dollar Bill!
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June 19th, 2008 at 5:49 pm
Sigh.
Dollar Bill, derisive comments about an entire race are just as intolerable from you as they are from Sue. No more comments about odor, please.
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June 19th, 2008 at 6:02 pm
For one thing I am not getting into this mess its some thing I don’t fill I heed to argue about color makes no difference to me and I have no commit on I bet you guys never that you here that from me I just fill no one could ever be right
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June 19th, 2008 at 6:06 pm
I got on a little while ago, and said some of what I said was uncalled for. I had to use another name and adderss. becouse you kicked me OUT. WHY IS DOLLER BILL STILL ALOUD ON, And by the way, I am not sory any thing I said.
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June 19th, 2008 at 6:11 pm
That lady bug is me ,ladybug used my computer before me. And agean I am not repete not sory for what I said
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June 19th, 2008 at 6:14 pm
If obumbus dosn’t get voted president, The blacks are going to cry. And riot and burn up the rest of L.A., and beat up some other WHITE person
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June 19th, 2008 at 6:17 pm
While I do kind of like calling Obama “obumbus” because it sounds funny, the rest of what you have to say isn’t welcome here any longer. Sorry.
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June 19th, 2008 at 6:28 pm
this is flybird I didn’t say any thing My god is my witness and I and I mean my god is my witness she was a friend that used my computer while I was on hers I can’t get on aol.com with my computer for some reasons been trying to keep these going ever since I been telling people about Jesus every thing been going hay wire she’s not using mine again I due not be leave in it and won’t alone it on mine I was using hers ea lier to contact you guys because mine was down
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June 19th, 2008 at 6:43 pm
does any one know that verse I was asking while back? does anyone know how I can fix aol by chance ?
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June 19th, 2008 at 8:30 pm
Look I’m not racist at all. And what I’ve said is true, look it up. Just because The so called WHITE people brought them over from England, doesn’t change the facts. And the Spanish also enslaved Africans, from Afirican leaders along with countless Country’s. And look Dollar Bill THE CRUSE is on the real people. That’s why millions and millions of Africans die in Africa of aids. You need too stop blaming whites, and look at your ancestors instead. You know whats funny about black people, well most of them that is. They cry about something that #1 happen in the past #2 they where never part of. Now dollar bill do you ever hear the Jews crying about being slaves, (Which in the bible say’s that was one of God’s punishments) for millions of years, or when Hitler had order millions of there people’s deaths, or what about the Holocaust survivors which suffer far worst then the blacks. Or even the Japanese when they where imprison during WW2, for something they didn’t do. The list goes on. I mean most black people are nothing more then cry babies. And that’s a fact. I know it hurts, but if you where smart enough too go to college, you’ll know what I mean. But instead the most your Intelligence Quotient (Your IQ) can come up with is “Subject changer” You’re an idiot and the real racist, o key maybe Sue is too. I have real Black friends who know and understand the facts. Dollar Bill say’s “But white people try to turn a small issue into a huge issue when its against a black man thats about to control something or take control of something especially the White house!” Sorry they called Ronald Reagan, Bill Clinton, and George W. Bush the Anti Christ as well. Look I know what your gonna say I went too college, and so on. “Yes I believe you” Look there’s nothing you or any one else can say or do too change the facts. And once again it’s not racist, it’s facts. I hate people of all race, that post what they think even if it’s completely wrong.
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June 19th, 2008 at 8:37 pm
By the way its called the White house because
its really supposed to be for white people! That’s just wrong, that’s not why it’s called The White House. And I’m racist. L.o.L
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June 19th, 2008 at 8:43 pm
“most black people are nothing more then cry babies. And that’s a fact. I know it hurts”
You’re no longer welcome here.
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June 19th, 2008 at 9:28 pm
Flybird, do you have a lot of racist friends? Perhaps you should consider finding some new ones?
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June 19th, 2008 at 10:14 pm
know I don’t have friends that are racist I never never new her to talk like that to no one Ive known her 34 years she has a half black granddaughter some one must of ruffed her feathers the wrong way no excuse at all she sure needs prey
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June 19th, 2008 at 10:41 pm
Check out all the skeletons in these people’s closets…It’s Halloween in June! (And yes, I know Halloween is a pagan holiday and I’m going to hell for enjoying Halloween….blah blah blah blah blah…)
DoorFrame – I think ‘Obumbus’ is a misspelling (from Sue….go figure) of ‘O-bomb-us’ and is a slur used by Islamophobes and their ignorant friends who think he’s a Muslim. They’re even circulating a rumor that he’s the 12th hijacker and he just overslept on Sept.11. “Oh, the world is full of zanies and fools…” (sing along all you musical theatre geeks)
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June 19th, 2008 at 10:44 pm
By the way…here’s an interesting question…(at least to me)
If it turns out that Jesus was black (or brown, if you will), would you still believe he was the son of God?
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June 19th, 2008 at 11:01 pm
Of course I would it don’t matter the color of ones skin its whats in side of a person and with are lord in side of him is love hes perfect in every way theres been none like him and never will be I get upset with people buts its usually them that don’t like me because when god passed out brains he for got to give me some so I really don’t have a problem with people around me justs kidding about the brains
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June 19th, 2008 at 11:13 pm
flybird – go to the aol website on a friend’s computer and get find ‘contact us’ or ’support’ on the menu (it is probably at the bottom of the page) for customer service help.
What Bible verse? The Isaiah quotes? Isaiah is a Biblical explanation of the invasion of Israel by the Assyrians and Babylonians, if I remember correctly.
I wasn’t just asking you that ‘black Jesus’ question. I would like to hear how all those rural God-fearing bigots answer it, though.
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June 20th, 2008 at 1:50 am
that’s it. i’m proposing a boycott of RD until DF shuts this stupid shit down.
shut it down, dude. i want this thread to turn into a rembrandt brown tribute page STAT.
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June 20th, 2008 at 6:27 am
A boycott? Because you’re unable to exercise the restraint required not to read this? Because we haven’t found a large anti-Scot constituency? (Try a Welsh site)
And you want it STAT, Veruca? Careful you don’t stomp your foot too hard. You might break a toe.
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June 20th, 2008 at 8:34 am
I sorry for answering that but sence my friend said what she did I thought that was derected to me but not to much harm I hope thanks for both answers
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June 20th, 2008 at 12:06 pm
I STRONGLY BELIEVE IN SOMETHING CALLED WORD ASSOCIATION!
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EVEN WHEN ITS CONNECTED WITH THE BIBLE!
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FOR EXAMPLE: 1. CRY & CRISIS: CAN BOTH REFER TO TRAUMA!
2. EVE: WAS IN EDEN (THE GARDEN)!
3. CAT & CATTLE: ARE BOTH ANIMALS!
4. WITCH & WIZARD: ARE BOTH EVIL!
5. KID & KITTEN: ARE BOTH SMALL!
6. A TRAMP & TRASH: ARE ABOUT THE SAME THING!
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7. NOW HERE IS THE BEST ONE!!
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“(ANN DUNHAM)” WAS (BARACK OBAMA’S) MOTHER!
YES! “(ANN)” AS IN “ANTI-CHRIST” WILL BE HER SON!
YES! “(DUNHAM)” AS IN “DUNGEON” OF HELL
IS WHERE HE (OBAMA) IS FROM!!
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FROM: Mister Truthful
EMAIL: owens_ruben@yahoo.com
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—P.S.*** PLEASE EMAIL ME:
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SO THAT I CAN ANSWER ANY OF YOUR
COMMENTS, CONCERNS OR QUESTIONS
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ABOUT THE BEAST, THE ANTI-CHRIST,
THE MARK OF THE BEAST,
THE TRIBULATION, THE WARS,
THE EARTHQUAKES, THE END TIME,
HELL, THE RAPTURE, OR THE
NEW BABYLON!
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BECAUSE THESE ARE THE
THINGS THAT I HAVE STUDIED!
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June 20th, 2008 at 1:37 pm
Although no one who has studied the Bible will take this stuff seriously (here’s why: http://exploringourmatrix.blogspot.com/2008/06/how-i-know-barack-obama-is-not.html), conservative Christians may want to consider the Barack Obama blasphemy challenge before accusing him of being the antichrist: http://exploringourmatrix.blogspot.com/2008/06/take-barack-obama-blasphemy-challenge.html
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June 20th, 2008 at 2:14 pm
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I BELIEVE “(BARACK OBAMA)” COMES FROM
THE THREE (H’s) AND THEY ARE:
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1. HAWAII
2. HONOLULU &
3. HELL
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NO QUESTION ABOUT IT!
HE’S THE (ANTI-CHRIST)!!
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FROM: Mister Truthful
EMAIL: owens_ruben@yahoo.com
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June 20th, 2008 at 2:15 pm
Its not accusing if you be leave that is is what the bible saids and I seen to be leave this to be true you may take it another way and thats under standing because the ones I know all have different views of the bible and seeing gods not here to say which way is the write way then there will always be a difference in views its also so with the difference in religions and the way we worship just the same
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June 20th, 2008 at 5:24 pm
I’m very dumbfounded by all of the comments above.
I find a lot of “mockers” here and few understand the basic principals of what is found in the Holy Writings. (To some of you, take a serious study of the Book of Revelation, Daniel and Ezekiel.)
Being curious about the rapid rise of Obama, his charisma, and his utopian concepts, I proceeded with a web search and found this blog. I have a studied biblical prophesy and political science. The uneasiness I have felt in the Obama quest to become President caused me to seek more information about him and my personal inner feelings: “Obama the antichrist.”
This is the first time I have heard others think of Obama being classed in the role of the legendary “antichrist.” If I have this uneasiness, surely others have felt it too. I have read most of your comments. Some I find most ignorant, others highly thoughtful. Consequently, I have concluded that I am not alone in my feeling toward the Obama phenomenon.
It is not going to profit any for me to dwell on particulars at this time, because I am still studying the potential threat coming from Obama as the leader of our nation, and world. As my own personal evaluation evolves, I’ll be back with my discoveries.
I would like to stress to you, be cautious in your denial that the possibility does exist that the “Obama Antichrist” concept is real, given to what is happening in the world. Do not for a moment doubt this is real. Regardless, we are powerless to overcome its eventuality. Just remember “they who have widsom and understanding, let them ‘count’ the number of the beast.”
Whatever you may feel, we are powerless to end it. We are players in the total design what God has lain before us. Nothing, nothing can change it. If Obama is to become the Antichrist, sobeit. It has to happen. The focus of the Middle East on the total world for centuries, the rise of Israel as a nation, the triangulation of China, Russia, Iran, are all in the grand design of things.
Beware people. “Something” IS in the air and it is going to test our well being.
(Also, whatever you may believe, take another study…the Mayan Calendar. Consider the year 2012. From the most accurate formulation of calculating time, the Mayans have no year beyond 2012. A coincidence? Hmmm….)
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June 20th, 2008 at 5:30 pm
Ancient Mayans being well known for their Bible study…
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June 20th, 2008 at 9:02 pm
The way I understand it theres sub post to be something in the center of the earth to change every thing but if thats it then it would have to have something to due with what gods plan would be let me say this I am aware we as a person can’t change it but to gather as one can be something to be conceder I agree we can’t change this but we can know when it happens by being aware of things around us and try to know what we are facing on this earth
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June 20th, 2008 at 9:12 pm
And macrame…Witness the legendary, fabulous “Holiest Red Macrame of Chichen Itza” that has woven into it the symbols for “Just because we didn’t count past 2012 and just because you’ve finally noticed that something is going (after all these years of corrupt politicians) doesn’t mean that Barack is the anti-christ. Love and kisses, the Mayans.”
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June 20th, 2008 at 10:10 pm
Why does everyone here seem to want to be aware of who the anti-christ is and not aware of what our elected officials are actually doing to our country? All this time and energy spent on something that may or may not exist and, even if it exists, may not come now and/or we may not know it when it comes.
One thing we do know…our country is in trouble and this has been coming for quite some time.
Why don’t you be proactive and write your officials saying you don’t want your rights stripped from you and you don’t want the “Enron loophole” driving up the price of gas and you don’t want China buying most of our debt and you want our poor and ill helped and you want our sovereignty protected and you want clean drinking water and you expect the politicians you elect to make this a better country by the time they leave office than it was when came to power?
Jesus said this in Matthew 5…..
3 Blessed are the poor in spirit: for theirs is the kingdom of heaven.
4 Blessed are they that mourn: for they shall be comforted.
5 Blessed are the meek: for they shall inherit the earth.
6 Blessed are they which do hunger and thirst after righteousness: for they shall be filled.
7 Blessed are the merciful: for they shall obtain mercy.
8 Blessed are the pure in heart: for they shall see God.
9 Blessed are the peacemakers: for they shall be called the children of God.
He did NOT say “Blessed are those who worry about the anti-christ and wait for God to fix their lives”.
No, “God helps those who help themselves” is not in the Bible, but do you really think that, to make your life better, to make the world a better place, all you have to do is be a couch potato? No! You have to be proactive. You can’t just pray for a job and then expect an employer to show up at your door. You still have to look for work.
So please stop the beating of breasts and the wailing about how the high prices, wars, etc are a sign of the endtimes. They may be, but the one thing we know they are…..They are a sign that we have elected fools and crooks for years and we are too ignorant of what’s going on. Help yourselves by learning about what laws and deals these thieves have made and stop them!
No, I don’t mean watch FOX or CNN. I mean get on the internet and look up only facts. Read the damn laws! Learn about your country! Read a little history! Help God help you, instead of dwelling on superstition and supposition because it’s easier!
Here’s what the Bible says….
“Work hard and become a leader; be lazy and never succeed.” (Proverbs 12:24)
“Seek peace, and pursue it.” (Proverbs 34:14)
“Where there is no vision, the people perish.” (Proverbs 29:18)
Prov. 19:24 “The sluggard buries his hand in the dish, But will not even bring it back to his mouth.”
Prov. 20:24 “The sluggard does not plow after the autumn, So he begs during the harvest and has nothing.”
Prov. 21:25-26 “The desire of the sluggard puts him to death, For his hands refuse to work; All day long he is craving…”
Prov. 22:13 “The sluggard says, ‘There is a lion outside; I will be killed in the streets!’”
Prov. 24:30-34 “I passed by the field of the sluggard And by the vineyard of the man lacking sense, And behold, it was completely overgrown with thistles; Its surface was covered with nettles, And its stone wall was broken down. When I saw, I reflected upon it; I looked, and received instruction. ‘A little sleep, a little slumber, A little folding of the hands to rest,’ Then your poverty will come as a robber And your want like an armed man.”
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June 20th, 2008 at 10:30 pm
Oh no! The Enron loophole!?!? You mean the regular old buying and selling of commodities that in no way is leading to an increase in the price of gasoline? We don’t have to get into an economic policy argument over this, do we?
Let’s just stick to the anti-christ stuff… I don’t know if everyone can handle an actual debate over issues, it’ll just confuse most of them.
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June 20th, 2008 at 11:03 pm
That’s why I through in the Bible verses. It’s the sugar to get the ants to come hither. :-P
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June 20th, 2008 at 11:06 pm
Oh, and I hope that the ‘in no way is leading to an increase in the price of gasoline’ is sarcasm. I would like to continue to respect your brain and deductive logic skills.
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June 20th, 2008 at 11:07 pm
OMG…I was on the phone when I was typing…so TYPO ALERT!!!!
~~That’s why I THREW in the Bible verses…~~
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June 20th, 2008 at 11:16 pm
I admit I don’t know much about the loophole that you’re referencing, so feel free to educate me on the topic, but isn’t the essence of every commodity market, even when trading in futures, the idea that buyers and sellers will coalesce around an accurate market price or, in the case of futures, a more or less accurate prediction of the future market price based on foreseeable changes in the present market and related market conditions? And, that being the case, short of market manipulation (OPEC unilaterally and collusively deciding to lower output, or one group of traders cornering the oil market) doesn’t unregulated trading have little to no impact on the actual price of oil, which is instead set by the real world supply of and demand for the product?
Based on very little knowledge, it seems as though the only thing closing the Enron loophole would do would lead to slightly more stability in the price of oil (but it’s not like the price has been swinging around wildly, it’s been slowly and steadily marching higher) and it might have an impact on preventing the cornering of the market in oil (which seems unlikely anyway, given the scale of the oil market).
What am I missing that makes unregulated oil trading a big deal? That is the gist of the Enron loophole, right?
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June 21st, 2008 at 12:38 am
Well, there are many factors impacting the current price of oil. I’d say the top ones are:
The falling US dollar
Increased industrialization in Asia (plus comsumption increases around the world)
Unregulated futures speculation
OPEC production caps and pricing
Lack of refineries
Disruption of production and transport due to war
Oil has not been rising steadily. It was relatively constant, with occasional increases or spikes, from 1980 until we invaded Iraq. This not only disrupted transport and production, but caused the futures speculation to increase due to the suggestion that the US would have a finger in the pie of Iraqi oil production.
In addition, China, already in the process of increased industrialization, started to ramp up their purchases and leases throughout Africa to ensure they could compete with the US (because they were concerned about our attempt to control the supplies in the Middle East). Investment companies, like Merrill Lynch, increased their recommendations regarding oil futures to their clients as one of the only hedges against inflation and a way to profit from the upcoming ‘oil and gas wars’.
This certainly helped Merrill because oil-producing countries like Kuwait started buying shares of ML because of the perceived profit in futures trading. So what you have is an artificially inflated market because speculators are betting that they will control the need for the product, the price of the product, the production of the product and the distribution of the product.
It’s like someone, who is not a meteorologist, buying all the batteries and then telling you that you need to buy batteries because a hurricane is coming, then raising the price of batteries because they perceive that demand will increase. The difference is that eventually you will see that there is no hurricane coming. The oil ’shell game’ can continue unabated because there will always be the perceived threat of a greater demand and lower supply of oil. Then they’ll tell you that to turn it around you have to give them more land to drill on…in essence, giving them more nickel to make the batteries they are already overcharging you for. (Did you know that the oil companies already have large leases on drillable land where they aren’t drilling? They don’t need additional land. They need to stop artificially inflating the price by controlling supply and then investing in oil futures.)
So the only way out of this mess it to:
Decrease our dependency and consumption
Stop unregulated speculation
Spend more of our tax dollars in restructuring our economy and infrastructure and less overseas, (Did you know that the Iraq war is the first war that we are almost completely funding ourselves? And I can’t even stomach a discussion about how much of our debt China owns right now…), thereby stabilizing our currency
Set tax policies that will only reward oil companies if they invest in alternative energy, refineries, etc instead of the blanket giveaways congress has passed
Obviously some things are out of our control, such as OPEC’s production and price setting. We can, however, influence China by curtailing our debt and ending the tax breaks to corporations who produce our products overseas.
I’m not suggesting xenophobia. I’m am suggesting that it makes no sense to have the same country manufacturing our products and loaning us the money to purchase them at the same time that we are scaring them that we will try to take over the world’s oil supply so that they won’t in the future be able to manufacture our products and loan us the money to purchase them. It also makes no sense to allow people to have no ‘finger in the pie’ of producing or refining oil to be assisting in the setting of the price of oil by unregulated, speculative trading.
I’ve digressed a little and simplified a lot, but it’s all interconnected (just like the fauna — I can’t remember which ones — where the whole field comes off of one root system). This means that changing the Enron loophole is the equivalent of teaching a baby to walk. It doesn’t make the baby a dancer, but the baby has to walk before it can dance.
We have been very lax in planning ahead and thinking things through and we need to correct what we can, scrap what we have to and develop new strategies. We have a lot of work to do to turn all this around.
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June 21st, 2008 at 12:42 am
I couldn’t possibly see straight enough to check the above for run-on sentences, misspellings and other ‘red pen’ issues. That was too much info, too fast, without having had dinner first. I pleading the hunger defense.
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June 21st, 2008 at 12:49 am
Geez! Of course, what I meant was…I’M pleading the hunger defense. Btw, Lean Cuisine shrimp alfredo with broccoli….yummy!
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June 21st, 2008 at 12:50 am
I just had roasted garlic bread and a salad for dinner, plus some ice cream. Your dinner sounds better than mine.
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June 21st, 2008 at 12:54 am
I dunno…I’m a big fan of garlic bread and salad and ice cream, too. I hope there was chocolate or berries involved. (In the ice cream, of course)
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June 21st, 2008 at 12:58 am
Cookies and cream.
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June 21st, 2008 at 12:59 am
Yessssss!!!!!
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June 21st, 2008 at 4:38 am
Ok, I think I missed a jump in the above logic: who exactly is intentionally and secretly raising the price of oil?
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June 21st, 2008 at 4:45 am
Also, what exactly are the regulations on non-online transactions in the oil market that closing the loophole would institute?
When I hear people complaining that “speculators” are the problem, I assume the complaint is coming out of the 19th century. We don’t really see speculators as the immoral beings that we once did… and generally with good cause. Speculators are a good thing, finding products that are undervalued and, through the magic of arbitrage, bringing them up to their proper value (or, at the very least, waiting until the rest of the world realizes what their proper value is).
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June 21st, 2008 at 8:42 am
I would say if you want to control this world wouldn’t you try to bring it to there knees and hit were it hurts are oil the problem is we need it for every walk of life we take to bring us are food are every day needs even if we took the bus and drive less if a lot of people started to due that then thy would raise that price to to make more money of off the people of the bus ride thy see money in it and the gas would still go up I live here in Arizona have since 1970 and in 1979 the government tried to move eight family s of of 2 1/2 acres of land which most have lived their since in the 60’s back then there were no rules on having trailers on the lands then in 1974 or 75 I moved on this price of land with the other seven family s in a trailer with my family thy came to the proper tie and said we all had to move off of the land it wasn’t set up for trailers no one would move and a lot of us hand no money to go any were else so we all stayed thy came up with a deal thy said it would be a first time project never has happen before and if it worked out then thy would build homes else were so thy built 8 homes 6 two bedrooms and two three bed rooms said it wouldn’t cost no more then we were paining already it was a good deal it was through the government low income then in 2001 my husband left at that time for another women he was writing in prison I wasn’t able to work was sick so I moved in with the people I live with know still was raiseing my last son he was almost 14 and I was able to after a year convinced him to give some thing for his son he gave 200 a month not through court or any thing she turned this in to the land lord it raised the rent 50 dollars so I had to give 50 dollars towards the rent more that little money you can’t raise any thing on but I did through the dear friends I had so if thy can make a buck on you thy will moved into the houses in 1980 so if a buck can be made thy make it thats how I fill people make money
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June 21st, 2008 at 1:25 pm
GOD HELP US ALL PLEASE CONCERNING (BARACK OBAMA)
THE (”ANTI-CHRIST”)!! BECAUSE HE WILL TRULY BE
DEADLY AND LETHAL TO ALL PEOPLE ON THE FACE
OF THE EARTH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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BECAUSE GOD IS THE ONLY ONE THAT IS BIG ENOUGH,
BAD ENOUGH, BOLD ENOUGH & BOSSY ENOUGH
TO SAVE US FROMT HIS TERRIBLE BEAST NAMED
BARACK OBAMA! BECAUSE HE IS THE (ANTI-CHRIST)!!
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AND THE ONLY ONLY SOLUTION TO
OUR “(ANTI-CHRIST)” PROBLEM IS:
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WE MUST FIND GOD, COME TO GOD, GET WITH GOD, RECEIVE GOD,
STAY WITH GOD, KEEP GOD, HOLD ON TO GOD & STICK WITH GOD!!
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BECAUSE GOD SO LOVED THE WHOLE WIDE WORLD
THAT HE GAVE HIS ONLY BEGOTTEN
SON!! AND WHOSO-EVER BELIEVETH IN HIM
AND WHOSO-EVER SERVES HIM TO THE FULLEST
AND WHOSO-EVER KEEPS ALL
TEN OF HIS COMMANDMENTS AND
WHOSO-EVER LOVES HIS NEIGHBOR AS
HIS SELF, SHALL NOT PERISH!!
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NO MATTER HOW MANY ANTI-CHRIST SHALL
COME ON THE FACE OF THE EARTH!!!!!!!
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BECAUSE INSTEAD OF PERISHING
AND INSTEAD OF GOD LETTING YOU PERISH,
GOD WILL GIVE YOU EVERLASTING LIFE!!!!
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FROM: Mister Truthful
EMAIL: owens_ruben@yahoo.com
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June 21st, 2008 at 3:56 pm
Okay…first, there are additional ‘loophole’ laws that need to be rescinded besides the ‘Enron loophole’. If you notice, I used the ‘Enron loophole’ (let’s just reference it as EL from this point forward, ‘cuz I’m a lazy typist) as one example in my initial suggestion, then listed ‘unregulated speculation’ in the second.
There are, indeed, other ‘loophole’ laws that exempt trades from any US oversight. I used EL as an example, because that is the one that people are most familiar with. EL only deals with electronic trades and exempts them from US regulation that would require audit trails to monitor manipulation. With EL on the books, it is impossible to tell if anyone is “intentionally and secretly” raising the price of oil and that is the problem inherent with EL.
I agree that speculation has it’s place, if the product in question is priced below it’s legitimate value. If the oil speculators aren’t involved in the equivalent of insider trading, then repealing the EL won’t affect them at all. This is what I don’t understand about people opposing the reversal. All the reversal would do is prove, via audit trail, recordkeeping,etc which trades are legitimate and which, if any, aren’t.
So if the speculators hands are clean, then they have nothing to fear. If, however, someone who is a producer or is tied to the oil companies in a significant enough way to set or influence policy or has their compensation package tied to the profits of an oil company and is investing/trading large quantities of futures repeatedly, then they are manipulating their own market at the expense of the consumer. It would be folly to assume that no one is ever tempted to do this, since the residents of California witnessed something similar firsthand several years ago.
This is especially difficult to monitor with electronic trades that have no audit trail. The speed with which the transactions occur make mega-trading possible. Like all things that improve the effiency of a process, electronic trading adds both accessibility to trading and the possibility of massive abuse with very little effort. The easier things become, the more damage can be done if the instrument of progress is in the wrong hands.
One of the problems, as I see it, of the new way of discussing issues and setting policies is the black/white approach. Few things are really that simple. Not every corporation is bad; not every corporation is good. Not every speculator is dirty; not every speculator is clean and above board. Oversight protects the public from abuses and unfair advantages of a select few.
The purpose of laws is to prevent and proscribe what we deem to be harmful to society and to prescribe remedies when such action occurs. If we cannot monitor the process, then there is no way to deter abuse. The drive to rewrite these laws is not based in outlawing any and all speculation. It is intended to keep speculation based on reasonable and accurate projections legal and to reduce or remove the ability of those who are already financially tied to the commodity from artificially inflating the price of the commodity for profit.
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June 22nd, 2008 at 12:13 am
he is anti-christ you bunch of ignorant faggots, open your souls not your heart or eyes you fucks, remember ” WHO OWNED WHO” motherfuckers- that is my real name , search me out pussies—your GOD
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June 22nd, 2008 at 12:55 am
i hate OBAMA and his ape wife, my america is in the soul of our founding fathers—jim
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June 22nd, 2008 at 1:04 am
fuck you and your negro
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June 22nd, 2008 at 1:09 am
That’s another person no longer welcome here.
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June 22nd, 2008 at 4:41 am
Jim Santoro you are one that needs prayed for even though you don’t want it its people like you that makes me a stronger person I have been looked down upon as what ever from front of a book to the back for the way I be leave over the years I been called words I won’t repeat thats why people think I am dumb because I fill that we all have the write to voice are opining to a point with out going over board to the point of no return
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June 22nd, 2008 at 6:48 pm
I am convinced he is the Antichrist. What I have read in the past 6 months sends shivers through my spine. Don’t be crazy and vote for him America. H e gives me the creeps
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June 23rd, 2008 at 10:03 am
“BARACK OBAMA” IS THE ANTI-CHRIST!!
AND “BARACK OBAMA” IS FROM THE (5 – H’s)!!
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1. HAWAII
2. HONOLULU
3. HARVARD LAW SCHOOL
4. HAMAS (VERY POSSIBLE)
5. HELL
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**P.S.
SINCE GOD IS THE ONLY ONE THAT IS
BIG ENOUGH, BAD ENOUGH, BOLD ENOUGH
AND BOSSY ENOUGH TO BEAT OR DESTROY THE
ANTI-CHRIST (BARACK OBAMA), THEREFORE:
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THE ONLY ONLY SOLUTION TO
OUR ANTI-CHRIST PROBLEM IS:
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WE MUST FIND GOD, COME TO GOD, GET WITH GOD,
RECEIVE GOD, STAY WITH GOD, KEEP GOD,
HOLD ON TO GOD & STICK WITH GOD!
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BECAUSE GOD SO LOVED THE WHOLE
WIDE WORLD THAT HE GAVE HIS ONLY
BEGOTTEN SON AND WHOSO-EVER
BELIEVETH IN HIM AND WHOSO-EVER
SERVES HIM TO THE FULLEST AND
WHOSO-EVER KEEPS ALL TEN OF HIS
COMMANDMENTS AND WHOSO-EVER
LOVES HIS NEIGHBOR AS HIS SELF,
SHALL NOT PERISH!!
NO MATTER HOW MANY ANTI-CHRIST SHALL
COME ON THE FACE OF THE EARTH!!!!!!!
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BECAUSE INSTEAD OF PERISHING AND INSTEAD
OF GOD LETTING YOU PERISH, GOD WILL GIVE YOU
EVERLASTING LIFE!!!!
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FROM: Mister Truthful
EMAIL: owens_ruben@yahoo.com
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P.S. PLEASE EMAIL ME:
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SO THAT I CAN ANSWER ANY OF YOUR
QUESTIONS, COMMENTS OR CONCERNS:
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ABOUT THE END TIME, THE WARS, THE
RAPTURE, THE BEAST OR THE ANTI-
CHRIST OR THE NEW BABYLON OR
HELL OR THE TRIBULATION OR THE
EARTHQUAKES OR THE MARK
OF THE BEAST!
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BECAUSE THESE ARE THE
THINGS THAT I HAVE STUDIED!
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June 23rd, 2008 at 10:33 am
I was reading the news this moraine were thy said whites will be less likely to vote for Obama theres that black and white thing couldn’t it be that some just don’t like what he stands for I am sure there probley is some that don’t think thy want him in office because of that reason but to say the whites are less likely to vote for him is a bad judgment of words when you are refereeing to a group of people when I am calling Obama a anti-Christ I am not saying all or most of them are anti-Christs thats just a point I wanted to make if people are not careful about this white and black thing were going to be going back in time in stead of front words is this the kind of change people want were there isn’t rights again for the blacks because if this isn’t stopped at the door then it won’t be safe for the blacks or the whites it will be worse then before and I per sonly would hate to see this happen I be leave in justice for all man regardless of color
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June 23rd, 2008 at 11:58 am
EVEN “(BARACK OBAMA’S)” CHURCH ADDS UP TO EQUAL (666)!!!
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YES!
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“(BARACK OBAMA)” ATTENDED “TRINITY UNITED CHURCH
OF CHRIST” PASTORED BY “(REV. JEREMIAH WRIGHT)”
FOR AROUND TWENTY-YEARS ACCORDING TO
T.V. NEWS SOURCES!
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AND THE ADDRESS OF THIS CHURCH IS:
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400 WEST 95th STREET
CHICAGO, ILLINOIS
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SO LETS FOLLOW THE FORMULA BELOW
BY COUNTING THE NUMBERS OF THE
ANTI-CHRIST’s ADDRESS LIKE
REVELATION (13: 18) TELLS US TO DO!!
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BECAUSE: 400 WEST 95th STREET =
4 + 0 + 0 + 9 + 5
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AND 4 + 0 + 0 + 9 + 5 = 18
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AND IF WE BREAK DOWN THE NUMBER (18),
WE WILL GET (6 + 6 + 6)!
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AND IF WE USE SOME UNDERSTANDING AND
REMOVE ALL OF THE (PLUS SIGNS),
WE WILL GET (666)!
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AND (666) IS THE MARK OF THE BEAST!
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AND “(BARACK OBAMA)” IS THE (ANTI-CHRIST)!!
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*SO DON’T VOTE FOR HIM!
*DON’T FOLLOW HIM!
*DON’T WORSHIP HIM!
*AND DON’T RECEIVE HIS MARK (OR 666)!!
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FROM: Mister Truthful
EMAIL: owens_ruben@yahoo.com
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P.S.*** PLEASE EMAIL ME:
SO THAT I CAN ANSWER ANY OF YOUR
COMMENTS, CONCERNS OR QUESTIONS
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ABOUT THE BEAST, THE ANTI-CHRIST,
THE MARK OF THE BEAST,
THE TRIBULATION, THE WARS,
THE EARTHQUAKES, THE END TIME,
HELL, THE RAPTURE, OR THE
NEW BABYLON!
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BECAUSE THESE ARE THE
THINGS THAT I HAVE STUDIED!
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June 23rd, 2008 at 1:46 pm
Walrus or Eggman?
I am having a little trouble in determining whether or not you believe in anything beyond this material existence. You certainly appear to be much more intelligent and well-read than most of the posters who claim to be “Christians”.
I am sure that you must realize that Christians do not all believe the same things about God and Jesus. Therefore, most of them must be wrong in their analyses of God’s reasons for allowing such events as Katrina and the World Trade Center (homosexuals, abortions, etc.), but some just may be right about the nature and will of God for our individual lives. Speculation on who may be the Antichrist before God chooses to reveal him is fraught with danger and a sinful waste of time.
I will tell you this about myself:
I believe in God the Father, His Only Begotten Son Jesus Christ, and God’s Holy Spirit. I do not necessarily believe that the Holy Spirit (Comforter) is a separate PERSON; but if so, then she must be a woman.
There will be no “Rapture” as envisioned by those “True Believers” that gave us George Bush and Dick Cheney. There will, however, be a Millennium—a thousand year period in which we will be given the opportunity to experience God’s government directly in all truth and honesty once Jesus returns.
Meanwhile, I am praying that God will show Mr. Truthful the error of his ways.
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June 23rd, 2008 at 1:48 pm
If it turns out that Jesus was black (or brown, if you will), would you still believe he was the son of God?
I certainly don’t believe that He was a Lilly White European.
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June 23rd, 2008 at 2:00 pm
OOPS! My apologies for Lilly White. I was pondering the use of Silly White (as in Jim Santoro) instead of lily-white.
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June 23rd, 2008 at 2:11 pm
“(BARACK OBAMA)” IS DEFINITELY THE “(ANTI-CHRIST)” AND GOD EVEN
MADE HIS NAME SOUND “(EVIL)” ENOUGH TO GET OUR ATTENTION!!!!
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SO TAKE OUT SOME TIME & LOOK AT THIS:
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1. BARACK——–AS IN (IRAQ)!
2. HUSSEIN——-AS IN (SADDAM HUSSEIN)!
3. OBAMA———AS IN (THE UNABOMBER)!
4. NATASHA (HIS DAUGHTER)——-SPELLED BACKWARDS IS
(”AH SATAN”)!!
5. MALIA (HIS OTHER DAUGHTER)——-THE PREFIX (MAL) MEANS BAD
OR EVIL!
AND THE SUFFIX (IA) MEANS
DERIVED FROM THIS!
—————————————————————- ———FROM: Mister Truthful
EMAIL: owens_ruben@yahoo.com
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P.S.*** PLEASE EMAIL ME:
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SO THAT I CAN ANSWER ANY OF YOUR
COMMENTS, CONCERNS OR QUESTIONS
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ABOUT THE BEAST, THE ANTI-CHRIST,
THE MARK OF THE BEAST,
THE TRIBULATION, THE WARS,
THE EARTHQUAKES, THE END TIME,
HELL, THE RAPTURE, OR THE
NEW BABYLON!
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BECAUSE THESE ARE THE
THINGS THAT I HAVE STUDIED!
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June 23rd, 2008 at 8:06 pm
I’m short on time, but for Hermes and anyone else interested…
my views (for the most part) can be summed up
here http://www.reference.com/search?r=13&q=Pandeist
here http://www.reference.com/search?q=Pantheist
here http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ethic_of_reciprocity (ie, The Golden Rule)
and the concept that energy can neither be created or destroyed, explained
here http://www.eoearth.org/article/Fundamental_principles_of_energy
As to whether or not Jesus was the son of God…he was, in my opinion, in as much as we all are children of God….all of us….regardless of skin color, religion, or any other criteria. Beyond that, I have no proof to offer that he was the son of God and sits at his side (literally), therefore cannot make that claim. What I can definitively aver is that Jesus was a wise philosopher and someone after whom our lives, ethics and morals should be modelled.
This is my advice to those Christians, as well, who seem to be very vocal in our country today, but are some of the last people to behave in a Christ-like manner. When you embrace your fellow man without judging him, you embrace God. When you protect the earth, you protect God.
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June 23rd, 2008 at 8:18 pm
PS…look to the Bible for examples of pandeism/pantheism…
An excellent example is in Matthew, the parable of the goats and sheep. The Golden Rule can be found in Matthew and Luke.
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June 24th, 2008 at 1:58 am
I have nothing to add really. I’m a Christian myself and I’m annoyed at the people who type in all caps and can’t spell at even a 6th grade level. It really makes the rest of us look stupid you know?
Is Barack the anti-christ? No way of knowing, but in the culture we live in, any retard with a computer can come up with a conspiracy theory with facts and figures proving how right they are and within a week have a devoted, fanatical following. Sad.
At best, this thread provided me with a few facepalms and lulz when I read the awful posts of some folks.
This just in, my cat is the anti-christ. His name is Bender, that adds up to 6….run for the hills!
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June 24th, 2008 at 6:37 am
Its good in my oppinin to have different thoughts and if your not to smart in spelling then thats ok also as long as you be leave in god if were not per fit here on earth we will be in heaven god never said that all dummies go to hell and all smart people go to heaven a lot of soft I don’t under stand but I know who my god is and know what hes done for others he’ll do for me he gave his life for people like me as well as others he died went to heaven and side he would return for his people he gave us that hope to live with he told us what to watch for so that we would know when the time was close and at hand he told us not to be cought a sleep so we wouldn’t be deceived and lead wrong he never said be leaving in him would be easy he said you would be hated in my name shack but were still sub post to spread his soon coming to the ones that may be leave if just one person started to think about it then its up to god to take them the rest of the way time is short be leave it or not thats your right I don’t try to change your ways but to the ones that may visit here that may decide to just take a look at the bible to see what it saids and go from there theres not a soul any more on this net that hasn’t heard about god every one is a were of him so I try to plant that little seed and it just might grow it just might make a person think about some thing not because that nun edacted person said it it because thy planted that little seed and it grow god took his disciples and showed them things to come told them to write down and explain what thy see these things are in the bible today for us to read thy didn’t go to collage to get educated first thy just done what god told them to due and the bible saids to spread his word and his coming we are told to due this the bible wasn’t written to be put on the self to gather dust its meant to guild us in every day life from birth to death he’s the world to us when we have no one else we have him to turn to hes are lord are god are savior are life is in his hands so if a person only has to go though what people call them the names the so ons thats ok because if you thank about what god want through because he loved us so much then what little others put people like my self through isn’t no were compared to him
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June 24th, 2008 at 8:15 am
Living on the Edge of Reality
There is no question that questioning one’s own existence is the ultimate distance from one’s being for ultimately seeing that which is beyond the nose on one’s face. But who knows whose nose knows what odor flows from the sewer of do or die—and why? (10/07/2005)
Rotten Apples
There is a saying that “one rotten apple spoils the whole barrel”. The obvious course of action for the preservation of the society of apples is to discard the rotten apple. Human society does not lend itself to such simple solutions—unless one happens to be a Nazi or a Klansman or any reasonable facsimile of self-appointed “superiority”. One man’s “rotten” apple just may be another man’s applesauce.
Truly Born Again Christians do not engage in pious displays of their spiritual superiority by trumpeting their “reverence for life” while discarding and disregarding the lives of those in need. Yes, they are generous enough anywhere they can gain credit for their big hearts, but they are sorely lacking in appreciation for the BIG PICTURE. They fail to “connect the dots” of daily suffering and deprivation that makes disasters such as Katrina much more traumatic and financially draining in the long run. There were plenty of “moral” authorities that adhered to religious and secular law when Jesus came the first time. He was not very impressed with their “wisdom”. As He healed the sick and brought hope to the poor, He found Himself being indicted by the very people that had shirked that responsibility and flaunted their position in life. That was the way of the world then, and it will be the way of the world when He returns.
There is another saying that “the road to Hell is paved with good intentions”, and I certainly give the Bush Administration credit for having the very best of intentions for the favored few and far between. (10/10/2005)
Why We Will Die
Why is why the most powerful word in the English language? Why is the word that ties everything together whenever used and not abused. Why can be asked of every answer no matter the original question. Every child goes through the “why stage” of life sooner rather than later. Any parent who takes the time to answer the endless whys and what fors with wise wherefores will find in the end that the only good answer is, simply: “Because God said so.”
The bottom line in Iraq is simply this: We finally broke something that we can’t fix.
This is why nobody seems to know what to do. The Democrats are fishing for ideas on how they may rein in a Chief Executive that is out of control. Meanwhile, George Bush has resorted to more of the same under a different name. We can keep trying to patch things together and delaying the inevitable, but inevitably we must finally admit that the emperor has no clothes.
As for impeaching George Bush, the Democrats had better think twice about wasting more of the public’s time and money on something so frivolous until they practice saying President Cheney. Such a prospect is too much to bear. Even more bizarre is the possibility that, by an unexpected turn of events, the Speaker of the House could be elevated to the Presidency for the first time in history. This would make our first Madame President Nancy Pelosi and not the dreaded Hillary Clinton. How’s them apples? (03/03/2007)
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June 24th, 2008 at 8:16 am
Ten Principles for the Secular World
1. There must be a purpose to life, if one is to survive and thrive.
2. This purpose should be the guiding principle of one’s thoughts, words, and deeds.
3. Hypocrisy is a heresy to humanity and an abomination to mankind.
4. Everyone needs (at least) one day of rest each week to contemplate:
The Past, The Present and The Future.
5. As imperfect as they may be, one’s elders have the “wisdom of years” of experience. They have often “been there and done that” and not found it worth the trouble.
6. Don’t kill; and don’t look for an excuse to call it “self-defense”.
7. Honesty is the best policy in matrimony or “civil unions”.
8. Don’t steal. It’s just not fair—to rich or poor.
9. Don’t lie about others; it’s bad enough to lie about oneself.
10. Don’t be jealous of others’ success in this ephemeral lifetime of seeking the sublime. They may actually deserve it (as improbable as that may seem in today’s world).
But why should it matter for your life?
That ‘s really up to you—
Isn’t it?
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June 24th, 2008 at 8:20 am
The Program of Life
The Bible is a Program:
Full of Life Edifying,
Written by Life Eternal,
Given for Life Everlasting.
It is the Key to finding Humility
Amidst the False Pride in Humanity.
Without God, nothing would exist—either spiritual, or material. There would be no good or evil, or anything in between—if, indeed, there were anything between spiritual and material, good and evil. Just who is to define the parameters of life and refine the lessons of life but God Himself—God Almighty—Maker of Heaven and Earth and of ALL things, both visible and invisible?
Jesus Christ had a temper. It was amply displayed on more than one occasion when confronted by hypocrites. Since He was God in the flesh, He never really lost control of His temper; but He made it very clear that the “moral” authorities of His day were headed for Hell and He became somewhat enraged by the moneychangers in His Father’s Temple. He didn’t CONDEMN anyone for his or her sins; He would never usurp His Father’s authority. But He had only scorn for ignorance of the fact that “all have sinned and come short of the Glory of God” (Romans 3:23).
There is no denying He considered us all worth dying for—if we could only BELIEVE. His ultimate sacrifice opened the door to anyone with the price of admission (the admission of guilt and shame) and a burning desire in one’s heart for His Way and His Father’s Will—which are one and the same—to be the way of each new day. To guide us in our walk through life, He left us a blueprint for Christian living in the Sermon on the Mount (Matthew: Chapters 5-7).
He gave greater meaning and purpose to the Ten Commandments and focused their life-sustaining power upon the two core principles of a life worth living after all is said and done:
And Jesus answered him, “The first of all the commandments is, Hear, O Israel; The Lord our God is one Lord:
And thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy mind, and with all thy strength” this is the first commandment.
And the second is like; namely this, Thou shalt love thy neighbor as thyself. There is none other commandment greater than these.”
(Mark 12:29-31)
Those who truly love THE LAW do not view it as a tool of control over others, but a means of personal redemption—insofar as God may allow us to believe that we have any way of redeeming ourselves. The hard truth is that there is no redemption without His Grace and Mercy. May God have mercy on those who think otherwise.
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June 24th, 2008 at 8:36 am
George Bush lost me (not that he ever had me) when he named Jesus Christ (supposedly his Lord and Savior, since he claims to be “Born Again) as the most influential “philosopher” in his life. God’s Truth and Wisdom is not some nebulous “philosophy”. I still have trouble believing that so many Evangelicals let this pass on the theory that he would lead us to a more “perfect Union”.
Now, here is something for y’all to chew on until November. How can we be sure that we will even have an election? Everything is in place to declare Martial Law. George Bush has proven in the past that he will do whatever he pleases (since he seems to believe that he has a direct pipeline to the Mind and Will of God), notwithstanding the will of the people he was elected to represent. Dick Cheney will again say in his patently smug way, “So?” We have draft-dodgers sending our best and brightest to die in a sectarian meat grinder—Texas oilmen setting a secret energy “policy” that threatens to bankrupt the nation.
AND NOW, WE HAVE MR. TRUTHFUL TRYING TO DROWN EVERYONE OUT BY HIS RIDICULOUS OBSESSION WITH CONNECTING DOTS THAT AREN’T THERE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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June 25th, 2008 at 10:02 am
my under standing and heard that there are computer cybernuts all over the web as of lately
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June 25th, 2008 at 4:14 pm
No one has any thing left to say?
Well, good. Let’s shut this travesty down and get down to the business of loving our neighbors as ourselves. God will handle the antichrist (whoever the HELL he is) just fine without our help.
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June 25th, 2008 at 4:44 pm
I don’t think theres to much love thy neighbors going around here theres some bad attitudes though going around ( whoever the HELL he is) type of attitudes I should say even though I am Not asked and I hope you never have to face him because I don’t fill I would wish that on any one its people like you that won’t be able to tell the difference in any one who cares type of attitude you should be given a brownie point people say we shouldn’t judge others I agree unless its saids so Now there are some that talk good on the bible but yet can say that there isn’t any sense in what a person saids if you are given a difference sense how some thing is then you would not know unless you clam you are a god then you would know what was said the way people see things are there right as well as its your write to say the things you will to cut down people the way you due then I don’t under stand how you can tell about the bible then turn around and cut people down because thy don’t agree with you or can’t spell on six grade level I fill you got the problem more then any one else
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June 25th, 2008 at 5:15 pm
Anbd just what iws wrong with using the word HELL with respect to the antichrist? Isn’t that what y’all are wishing on Barack Obama without a shred of evidence that he truly is that dreaded amn of sin? Did I wish any one of you any ill will? All I said is that YOU are judging a man on instinct and not facts. You have a queasy feeling about him. I get the same feeling when accosted by crack addicts asking for a few bucks outside of my bank. I don’t think they are the antichrist, and I REFUSE TO LABEL ANYONE ELSE AS SUCH. God will reveal him in due time and He will deal with him. You all are a bunch of hypocrites to say I have a bad attitude just for telling you where that SOB lives.
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June 25th, 2008 at 5:21 pm
Sorry for the typo. amn should have been man, of course. But I really get irritated when judgmental hypocrites tell me that I have a bad attitude just because I don’t HATE the people they say I should.
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June 25th, 2008 at 5:28 pm
You see, I make a point of not hating anyone, but I have every right to hate the things they say and the things they do. ESPECIALLY WHEN THEY SAY THAT THEY “KNOW” THAT GOD WANTS US TO HATE OTHERS. And I have seen very little else on this asinine website. So get a grip people, and learn a little about your Lord and Savior. Right now you are in grave danger of falling for the deception of antichrist simply because you are trying too hard to hang the label on someone who may be a fine Christian.
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June 25th, 2008 at 5:30 pm
Like I said, God and only God will reveal the man of sin in His own time–not yours.
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June 25th, 2008 at 5:51 pm
Hey, there’s a lot more to this website than this discussion. The remainder is childish, insulting and occasionally egotistical, but it’s not asinine. Give me a little credit.
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June 25th, 2008 at 6:16 pm
there is a lot more to this web site I enjoy it even though I got get things right 99% of the time but I like it I am use to making people upset with me and really due miss it
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June 25th, 2008 at 6:17 pm
I did it again I meant to say I get things wrong 99% of the time my mistake
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June 26th, 2008 at 7:07 am
I rec’d this in an email, it is looooong but worth reading:
The Jihad Candidate – by Rich Carroll
Conspiracy theories make for interesting novels when the storyline is not so
absurd that it can grasp our attention. ‘The Manchurian Candidate’ and
‘Seven Days in May’ are examples of plausible chains of events that captures
the reader’s imagination at best-seller level. ‘What if’ has always been the
solid grist of fiction.
Get yourself something cool to drink, find a relaxing position, but before
you continue, visualize the television photos of two jet airliners smashing
into the Twin Towers in lower Manhattan and remind yourself this cowardly
act of Muslim terror was planned for eight years.
How long did it take Islam and their oil money to find a candidate for
President of the United States ? As long as it took them to place a Senator
from Illinois and Minnesota ? The same amount of time to create a large
Muslim enclave in Detroit ? The time it took them to build ov er 2,000 mosques
in America ? The same amount of time required to place radical wahabbist
clerics in our military and prisons as chaplains’?
Find a candidate who can get away with lying about their father being a
‘freedom fighter’ when he was actually part of the most corrupt and violent
government in Kenya ’s history. Find a candidate with close ties to The
Nation of Islam and the violent Muslim overthrow in Africa , a candidate who
is educated among white infidel Americans but hides his bitterness and anger
behind a superficial toothy smile. Find a candidate who changes his American
name of Barry to the Muslim name of Barak Hussein Obama, and dares anyone to
question his true ties under the banner of ‘racism’.Nurture this candidate
in an atmosphere of anti-white American teaching and sur round him with
Islamic teachers.
Provide him with a bitter, racist, anti-white, anti-American wife, and
supply him with Muslim middle east connections and Islamic m! onies.
Allow him to be clever enough to get away with his anti-white rhetoric and
proclaim he will give $834 billion taxpayer dollars to the Muslim controlled
United Nations for use in Africa .
Install your candidate in an atmosphere of deception because questioning him
on any issue involving Africa or Islam would be seen as ‘bigoted racism’;
two words too powerful to allow the citizenry to be informed of facts. Allow
your candidate to employ several black racist Nation of Islam Louis
Farrakhan followers as members of his Illinois Senatorial and campaign
staffs.
Where is the bloodhound American ‘free press’ who doggedly overturned every
stone in the Watergate case? Where are our nation’s reporters that have
placed every Presidential candidate unde r the microscope of detailed
scrutiny; the same press who pursue Bush’s ‘Skull and Bones’ club or ran
other candidates off with persistent detective and research work?
Why haven’t ‘newsmen ‘ pursued the 65 blatant lies told lies told by this
candidate during the Presidential primaries? Where are the stories about
this candidate’s cousin and the Muslim butchery in Africa ? Since when did
our national press corps become weak, timid, and silent? Why haven’t they
regaled us with the long list of socialists and communists who have
surrounded this ‘out of nowhere’ Democrat candidate or that his church
re-printed the Hamas Manifesto in their bulletin, and that his ‘close pastor
friend and mentor’ met with Middle East terrorist Moammar Gaddafi, (Guide of
the First of September Great Revolution of the Socialist People’s Libyan
Arab Jamahiriya) Why isn’t the American press telling us this candidate is
supported by every Muslim organizatio n in the world?
As an ultimate slap in the face, be blatant in the fact your candidate has
ZERO interest in traditional American values and has the most liberal voting
record in U.S. Senate history. Why h as the Americ! an main stream media
clammed-up on any negative reporting on Barak Hussein Obama? Why will they
print Hillary Rodham Clinton’s name but never write his middle name? Is it
not his name? Why, suddenly, is ANY information about this candidate not
coming from main stream media, but from the blogosphere by citizens seeking
facts and the truth? Why isn’t our media connecting the dots with Islam? Why
do they focus on ‘those bad American soldiers’ while Islam slaughters non
Muslims daily in 44 countries around the globe? Why does our media refer to
Darfur as ‘ethnic cleansing’ instead of what it really is; Muslims killing
non Muslims!
There is enough strange, anti-American activity surrounding Barak Hussein
Obama to peek the curiosity of any reporter. WHERE IS OUR INVESTIGATIVE
MEDIA!?
A formal plan for targeting America was devised three years after the
Iranian revolution in 1982. The plan was summarized in a 1991 memorandum by
Mohamed Akram, an operative of the global Muslim Brotherhood. ‘The process
of settlement’ of Muslims in America , Akram explained, ‘is a civilization
jihad process.’ This means that members of the Brotherhood must understand
that their work in ‘America is a kind of grand jihad in eliminating and
destroying the Western civilization from within and sabotaging its miserable
house by their hands and the hands of the believers so that it is eliminated
and God’s religion is made victorious over all other religions.’
There is terrorism we can see, smell and fear, but there is a new kind of
terror invading The United States in the form of Sharia law and finance.
Condoning it is civilization suicide. Middle East Muslims are coming to
America in record numbers and building hate infidel mosques, buying our
corporations, suing us for our traditions, but they and the whole subject of
Islam is white noise leaving uninformed Americans about who and what is
really peaceful. Whe re is our inv! estigati ve press? Any criticism of Islam or
their intentions, even though Islamic leaders state their intentions daily
around the globe, brings-forth a volley of ‘racist’ from the left-wing
Democrat crowd.
Lies and deception behind a master plan – the ingredients for ‘The
Manchurian Candidate’ or the placement of an anti-American President in our
nation’s White House? Is it mere coincidence that an anti-capitalist run for
President at the same time Islamic sharia finance and law is trying to make
advancing strides into the United States ? Is it mere coincidence this same
candidate wants to dis-arm our nuclear capability at a time when terrorist
Muslim nations are expanding their nuclear weapons capability? Is it mere
coincidence this candidate wants to reduce our military at a time of global
jihad from Muslim nations?
Change for America ? What change? To become another ‘nation of Islam’?
‘It is impossible to rightly govern t he world without God or the Bible.’
George Washington
COULD IT BE THE REASON OUR COUNTRY HAS NOT BEEN UNDER ATTACK SINCE 9-11 BECAUSE THE MUSLIMS HAVE AN AGENDA TO TAKE OVER OUR GOVERNMENT BY PLACING A MUSLIM IN THE PRESIDENCY. IT MAY COME TO PASS IF AMERICANS DON’T WAKE UP!!!!!!
Cordially,
Donald W. Plezia
“A TAXPAYER VOTING FOR A DEMOCRAT IS LIKE A CHICKEN
VOTING FOR COLONEL SANDERS.”
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June 26th, 2008 at 7:23 am
First of all:
I did not mean to tar and feather everyone with such a broad brush.
Flybird: I owe you a big apology. I should be a little more sensitive to your situation, and I know what you mean about the hatred that has sometimes dominated a discussion of where this world is going.
Doorframe: You and Walrus or Eggman are much more widely read than I am. Like Flybird, I have some limitations in following your attempts to make this a serious inquiry into what we should be learning and applying to our particular state of being.
As for getting any special “meaning” out of the words of a particular Bible translation (and God only knows what Mr. Truthful has been reading), all anyone can hope to find is spiritual truth–not literal. The LITERAL TRUTH of the Bible can only be found in the original manuscripts. And there IS a type of numerology to be found there–as the original words of God were first recorded in numerically based languages. But God has a much more sophisticated understanding of the Higher Math He is using. After all, He created all that is seen and unseen.
We are all made in God’s image and potential sons of God. But we are still only made in His image–a pale reflection of what we may be if we are reconciled to Him through His Only Begotten Son. Jesus Christ came not only to die for our sins, but also to show us the way to deal with Satan and his demons in the here and now. It is not by alarmist labelling of others as our enemies based upon some odd feeling or twisted connection arising from a poor understanding of God’s purpose in this day and age.
Believe me when I say:
We ain’t seen nothin’ yet.
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June 26th, 2008 at 8:00 am
TIERNY, if you, or anyone else, believed that email, that’s really sad. I can forgive you believing that Obama is the anti-Christ… that’s not linked to the real world in any way so troubling facts and reality won’t have any impact on your reasoning, but whether or not Obama is secretly a Muslim is not so mystical. Unlike your similarly wrong anti-Christ assertions, you can’t just rely on your gut feelings to determine whether he’s a Muslim or not–you’ve got to have some REASON to actually believe it. He’s been going to a christian church a hell of a lot longer and more consistently than most people, and he’s been raked over the coals for it, so we’re all pretty well aware of it.
Do you have any evidence, any reason at all, to believe that he’s actually a Muslim?
If he were going to undertake some giant scheme to fool America into electing a Muslim candidate, wouldn’t he have chosen a less ethnic sounding name to fool us with?
By the way, when this is your argument, you know you’re wrong:
Look all the other ideas that are only supported online and ask if yourself if they seem sensible? Contrast them with this completely unsensible idea and see how it stands up.
My sympathies go out to you TIERNY, you must live a confused, angry and frightened life if this is the sort of thing you believe in.
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June 26th, 2008 at 8:41 am
This slipped in before I could submit my last post. I am getting a little slow and I only have dial-up (a BIG pain with no gain).
TIERNY Says:
June 26th, 2008 at 7:07 am
“A TAXPAYER VOTING FOR A DEMOCRAT IS LIKE A CHICKEN
VOTING FOR COLONEL SANDERS.”
Your post is intriguing and I believe it is worth debating the facts of the matter for a change. I am sure there are others out there with information that makes a little more sense and is easily verifiable.
In the end, though, it is rather irrelevant who we may vote for (or against) when it comes to picking winners and losers.
It is God’s Will that WILL BE DONE!
The fact remains that one is only condemned for blaspheming the Holy Spirit and worshipping the antichrist as GOD. Until that time, all bets are off. There is a plan that only God can understand fully. True prophets of God are always right about what they know to be true. But they still only know what God chooses to reveal to them. I have no idea if there has ever been a “true” prophet of God since the early church began to spread the Gospel of Christ. Somewhere along the way, we lost our bearings and split into a dazzling array of different denominations and sects–all with their own rites and rituals and focus upon spreading their “faith” in their image of God.
One must give some thought to how he has arrived at his faith. Upon what understanding God’s Word is it based?
Now here is something to consider:
Even if everything in the email TIERNEY passed along, that does not prove that Obama is the one and only antichrist himself. It is possible that he will be one of the final ten kings who lend him their power for a brief moment of “victory”. The antichrist may well be a pseudo-Christian of Muslim descent, and Obama may fit this description to a T. We will just have to wait and see.
“Take therefore no thought for the morrow: for the morrow shall take thought for the things of itself. Sufficient unto the day is the evil therof.” Matthew 6:34
BTW, neither party has done such a good job of cutting taxes for John Q. Public. They are too busy mortgaging the future of this country to enrich their friends and relatives–not to mention themselves as well. There are very few politicians who have not compromised their principles in some way shape or form by their involvement with promoting the dreams and schemes of self-interested campaign contributors working both sides of the aisle.
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June 26th, 2008 at 11:13 am
What makes you think he’s not a muslim? He went to scholl in Indonesia at a Jakarta from 6-12 years of age. The most formiddable time in a persons life.
If my previous post offends you…..what can you say to all the things Obama has supported and voted for? Sounds like a Christian to me???!!
Besides how can you call the “trinity” church and Rev Wright a Christian Church. If you have watched his sermons you would have seen he is filled with alot of hate and anger…not really church like is it???
The Obama Tidal Wave
Some of you will recognize the name of Bill Brown. He is a highly respected retired member of the Billy Graham team. And I am blessed to count him as a friend whom I’ve known a long time. (His wife is the British actress who was in one of the Billy Graham films. She is also an author.) So I take his assessment of Obama very seriously and for that reason accept his challenge to pass this on. I share his concern about the “rock star” image Obama has and watch with growing concern at the celebrity status the media has foisted upon him. I hope this email informs you in a wise way.
We are witnessing a political phenomenon with Barack Obama of rare magnitude. His speeches have inspired millions and yet most of his followers have no idea of what he stands for except platitudes of “Change” or that he says he will be a “Uniter”. The power of speech from a charismatic person truly can be a powerful thing. Certainly Billy Graham had charisma and both his manner of speech and particularly the content changed millions. On the extreme other hand, the charisma of Adolph Hitler inspired millions and the results were catastrophic. Barack Obama certainly is no Hitler or a Billy Graham, but for many Americans out there feeling just like a surfer who might be ecstatic and euphoric while riding a tidal wave, the real story is what happens when it hits shore.
Just Some of What Defines Barack Obama:
· He voted against ban ning partial ” birth abortion.
· He voted no on notifying parents of minors who get out-of-state abortions.
· Supports affirmative action in Colleges and Government.
· In 2001 he questioned harsh penalties for drug dealing.
· Says he will deal with street level drug dealing as minimum wage affair.
· Admitted marijuana and cocaine use in high school and in college.
· His religious convictions are very murky.
· He is willing to meet with Fidel Castro, Hugo Chavez, Kim Jung Il and Mahmoud Ahmadinejad.
· Has said that one of his first goals after being elected would be to have a conference with all Muslim nations.
· Opposed the Patriot Act.
· & amp;n bsp; First bill he signed that was passed was campaign finance reform.
· Voted No on prohibiting law suits against gun manufacturers.
· Supports universal health-care.
· Voted yes on providing habeas corpus for Guantanamo detainees.
· Supports granting driver’s licenses to illegal immigrants.
· Supports extending welfare to illegal immigrants.
· Voted yes on comprehensive immigration reform.
· Voted yes on allowing illegal aliens to participate in Social Security.
· Wants to make the minimum wage a “living wage”.
· Voted with Democratic Party 96 percent of 251 votes.
· Is a big believer in the separation of church and stat e.
· Opposed to any efforts to Privatize Social Security and instead supports increasing the amount of tax paid.
· He voted No on repealing the Alternative Minimum Tax
· He voted No on repealing the “Death” Tax
· He wants to raise the Capital Gains Tax.
· Has repeatedly said the surge in Iraq has not succeeded.
· He is ranked as the most liberal Senator in the Senate today and that takes some doing.
If your political choices are consistent with Barack Obama’s and you think that his positions
will bring America together or make it a better place, then you will probably enjoy the ride . If you are like most Americans that after examining what he stands
for, are truly not in line with his record, it would be prudent to get off t he wave or better
yet, never get on, before it comes on shore and undermines the very foundations of this great
Country. We have limited time to save America or the Supreme Court as we know it.
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June 26th, 2008 at 11:18 am
Ezekiel 33
The Watchman’s Duty
1 The word of the LORD came to me: 2 “Son of man, speak to your countrymen and say to them: ‘When I bring the sword against a land, and the people of the land choose one of their men and make him their watchman, 3 and he sees the sword coming against the land and blows the trumpet to warn the people, 4 then if anyone hears the trumpet but does not take warning and the sword comes and takes his life, his blood will be on his own head. 5 Since he heard the sound of the trumpet but did not take warning, his blood will be on his own head. If he had taken warning, he would have saved himself. 6 But if the watchman sees the sword coming and does not blow the trumpet to warn the people and the sword comes and takes the life of one of them, that man will be taken away because of his sin, but I will hold the watchman accountable for his blood.’
I am sorry I cannot just sit back and not speak what the Lord is telling me!
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June 26th, 2008 at 12:29 pm
Okay, Tierny, you’ve convinced me to vote for Obama, as every item under “What Defines Obama” is an item I am in favor of. Thanks for the tip!
Incidentally, while I recognize that not everyone shares my (and Obama’s) views on, e.g., abortion or immigration, what problem do you have with “wants to make the minimum wage a living wage”?
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June 26th, 2008 at 12:44 pm
I can answer that one: it will cause higher unemployment and reduce GDP.
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June 26th, 2008 at 12:50 pm
Sure and lets give illegal immigrants drivers’ licenses and welfare too. Killing babies apparently is no big deal!!Too bad there won’t be any Social Security left, since he voted to give that to illegal aliens too. But since were killing babies, Obama can give those illegal aliens their part of SS. SOunds good right? They won’t need it, there dead!
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June 26th, 2008 at 12:54 pm
Unfortunately you are not alone. Many are in favor for all he has to offer. Many will be deceived….
Sure and lets give illegal immigrants drivers’ licenses and welfare too. Killing babies apparently is no big deal!!Too bad there won’t be any Social Security left, since he voted to give that to illegal aliens too. But since were killing babies, Obama can give those illegal aliens their part of SS. SOunds good right? They won’t need it, there dead!
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June 26th, 2008 at 4:32 pm
The latest claim I heard was a passage from Revelation saying the anti christ will be Muslim. HUH? The bible (new testament) was written/compelated about 500 years before Islam existed. Oy.
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June 26th, 2008 at 4:52 pm
yes the bible was written a long time ago of course because revelation was written for the future not for back then its the things we are sub post to watch for in are time not so much in the past the seals the scrolls the four horse men and so on its for the time when you see the things come together
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June 27th, 2008 at 12:03 pm
Just because someone may not be the most educated and literate person on this blog, doesn’t mean we should discount everything they have to say. Simple folk sometimes have the clearest sight!
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June 27th, 2008 at 12:51 pm
I really don’t think that’s true, TIERNY, they often have the most myopic sight.
Going back to a previous discussion, do you have ANY reason to think that Obama is Muslim other than “[h]e went to scholl in Indonesia at a Jakarta from 6-12 years of age“?
As far as I know he’s never regularly attended a mosque, he’s never (for example) done the Hajj. I don’t think he reads the Koran or prays to Mecca. Is there anything at all about him in his adult life that makes you think he’s a Muslim?
Or are you just being racist/name-ist?
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June 27th, 2008 at 2:00 pm
I think TIERNY means “a madrassah”, not “a jakarta”, as the former is a Muslim religious school and the latter is the capital of Indonesia. In a very technical, twisted way TIERNY may have a point — some say that all you need to do to convert to Islam is to say, in Arabic, “I bear witness that there is no diety but Allah.” and “And I bear witness that Muhammad is the Messenger of Allah.” and then take a shower. It’s entirely possible that this happened at some point. Kids say all kinds of things! And shower regularly!
However, it is generally acknowledged that those wishing to convert should have this intention when saying those lines, so it’s really only a technicality. And even if he had done these things, he’s clearly a Christian now.
Furthermore, what’s wrong with being a Muslim at all? Why would that be a reason not to vote for someone? Especially a fundamentalist Muslim — they seem to have a whole lot more in common with fundamentalist Christians than we secular progressives.
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June 27th, 2008 at 3:55 pm
Who you calling progressive?
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June 27th, 2008 at 8:47 pm
DoorFrame, if you take a look at what some economists are saying, given the “new global economy”, GDP is no longer the ‘be all’ and ‘end all’ to gauge prosperity. In fact, the GDP measures market activity. It indicates how much money changed hands. It doesn’t show costs or gains.
Plus, it looks only at monetary transactions. It also doesn’t measure any transaction where money is not traded for goods or services. Therefore, any proposed governmental program of volunteerism wouldn’t be factored in, for example.
To prove it’s inaccuracy…while it has slowed, it is still increasing in the US, but personal disposable income for the average American is down. Why? One of the reasons is because our deficit is growing since the government is spending money on the war. Governmental monetary payouts are counted in GDP.
A hit to the GDP is the amount of manufacturing jobs that are leaving the US. Imports are subtracted from GDP. The mortgage crisis has also hurt the GDP, because the real estate and housing markets slowed. These would be arguments for taking away subsidies and tax breaks for corporations shipping jobs overseas and insituting fair lending practices.
It would also be an example of how GDP can mask bad economies. The GDP has mirrored several economic down and upturns, but has also been in conflict or trailed after others. It can be as misleading as the theory that war is good for the economy. (I know, that’s a whole other topic.)
‘Trickle down’ economies work on the idea that low wages increase profits which then can be invested in creating more jobs. You still end up with a slave-wage working class. We’ve operated on a ‘trickle down’ for more than 20 years and what we have seen is a growing lower class and a declining middle class.
‘Trickle up’ economies assume that a living wage will result more spending and investing and lead to more startups. That would be the sign of a healthy economy.
Call me an ‘up’ girl, but I think it’s high time we gave it a try!
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June 27th, 2008 at 8:55 pm
Higher minimum wages means fewer jobs for people at the bottom end of the economy. Whether you think this is a good thing or a bad thing, it is a reality. The negative impacts can be blunted by social programs… possibly… but when you raise minimum wages you have to account for the fact that you’re going to reduce employment at the wage-level where people need employment the most (and the least, in the case of high school students looking for a quick summer job). You’re paying people more to do the same work they did before, there’s less money to spend on new highers or even maintaining the current employment levels. If you’re at the brink of unprofitability, you’re going to be pushed over the edge. The higher wage has negative consequences. They’re not all negative, of course, you also have employees with a higher spending power and a reduced need for government assistance.
Whether you think the tradeoff is worthwhile or not is up to you, but people who argue in favor of a living wage very rarely seem to take the tradeoff into account at all. Sure, you’ve helped some poor people, but you’ve hurt other people. Was it worth it, and if so, why?
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June 27th, 2008 at 9:17 pm
TIERNY – You have many generalizations on your list of things that Obama supports, plus you don’t tell the whole story on some of the things that bother you about him. For example….
The Social Security bill that Obama voted for was to give benefits to those illegal immigrants who later became legal. Yes, it would be retroactive to cover work done while illegal. And yes….John McCain voted for it, too! There are other things on your list that McCain supported, as well.
Now as to the surge working….any progress made must take into account other activity that was taking place at the same time as the ’surge’. This would include negotiations between the Iraqi government and Iran. This would include tribal leaders and other former Ba’athist military and police joining in the task of stabilizing Iraq.
While, I don’t believe the Iraq war should have been waged, I do believe that, if we were going to invade, we should have done it with a larger force from the beginning. However, there is no empirical data to support your point that the ’surge’ in American troops resulted in any longterm improvement in the situation in Iraq, nor is there any evidence that the other changes have no value in any improvement. To assert that the ’surge’ is successful, you must first show evidence of permanent improvement, then show that direct benefits of the ’surge’ can be isolated and quantified.
President Bush pitched the surge as the way to secure Baghdad. Bush stated this reason for the surge in his SOTU address in 2007….
“So America will change our strategy to help the Iraqis carry out their campaign to put down sectarian violence and bring security to the people of Baghdad. This will require increasing American force levels. So I’ve committed more than 20,000 additional American troops to Iraq. The vast majority of them — five brigades — will be deployed to Baghdad. Our troops will have a well-defined mission: to help Iraqis clear and secure neighborhoods, to help them protect the local population, and to help ensure that the Iraqi forces left behind are capable of providing the security that Baghdad needs.”
Has the surge succeeded? Tuesday, June 24, 2008….
Four Americans and six Iraqis have been killed in a bomb attack on a council meeting in the Sadr City area of Baghdad today.
Thursday, June 19, 2008….
An Iraqi civilian was killed and two others injured in a bomb explosion in southwestern Baghdad on Thursday, an Interior Ministry source said.
Unfortunately, I can list a few more, if you want.
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June 27th, 2008 at 9:26 pm
DoorFrame, can you give me stats that prove that the minimum wage keeping up or surpassing a higher cost of living rate actually causes unemployment among lower-end workers, especially in those sectors that you site?
Take a look at this study…
http://www.uvm.edu/~vlrs/doc/min_wage.htm
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June 27th, 2008 at 9:39 pm
I’d have to look for stats. I admit I’m doing it based on rudimentary economics rather than actual data.
That being said, I have a few objections to the study you link to.
A#1: Comparing the rate of unemployment in New Jersey to the rate in Pennsylvania when New Jersey raised its minimum wage is not the correct way to measure whether unemployment increased unemployment. Whether employment went up or down in New Jersey in comparison to Pennsylvania doesn’t matter, nor, even does whether it went up or down in New Jersey. What matters is whether unemployment would have been higher with the higher minimum wage, or without it. All the other numbers are nothing but circumstantial evidence trying to determine that fact, and I’d argue that there’s so much else going on in the economy at any one time that a simplistic look at whether unemployment has gone up or done after an alteration of the minimum wage is not reliable, especially when…
B#2: the second half of the study dealt with unemployment in the late 90s, in the midst of the tech-boom. Yeah, of course unemployment went down during the bubble years! Without looking up comparable data, I can pretty much assure you that unemployment went up in the bust period with or without a change in the minimum wage.
If you’re an employer, and suddenly there’s an increase in one of your major costs, it’s going to have an impact. Some companies are so profitable that they’ll simple swallow the cost, some are less so and will reduce hours or hire fewer workers, some will simple not be able to pay their employees and they’ll close up shop.
Here are some competing stats (from the 90s!):
http://www.house.gov/jec/cost-gov/regs/minimum/against/fig-1.gif
http://www.house.gov/jec/cost-gov/regs/minimum/against/against.htm
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June 27th, 2008 at 9:40 pm
I mainly just like the chart, the strident tone of the actual page it came from put me off, but I thought it only fair to provide the source.
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June 27th, 2008 at 9:50 pm
BTW, slavery would also reduce unemployment, but I don’t recommend it.
More important than a minimum wage increase, in my opinion is the wage gap between executives and workers.
These are the stats (percentage difference in compensation between CEO and average worker) from 2000…
US 531
Brazil 57
Venezuela 54
South Africa 51
Britain 25
Canada 21
China (Shanghai) 21
Sweden 14
Germany 11
South Korea 11
Switzerland 11
Japan 10
This also adversely impacts unemployment. More people have to take second jobs (often a low wage job) to retain their standard of living, thereby taking a job that would be available to someone else on the lower end of the economic ladder. You will have more unskilled or inexperienced labor collecting unemployment, while a lower or middle manager is making extra money at McDonald’s and Walgreens.
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June 27th, 2008 at 10:00 pm
#1 It will impossible then to get a study that satisfies you, since you will never be able to accurately measure whether something would have happened whether or not an action took place. If you raise the wage, then you can’t measure what would have happened if you didn’t. If you don’t raise the wage then you can’t measure what would happen if you did.
#2 Yes, it was the end tech boom years. I’m confused as to your logic of how New Jersey experienced a higher increase in jobs because of the tech boom than the other states, especially Washington.
#3 If you’re an employer and you increase your own salary and those at the higher levels at the expense of your average and lower-end workers, then “it’s going to have an impact. Some companies are so profitable that they’ll simple swallow the cost, some are less so and will reduce hours or hire fewer workers, some will simple not be able to pay their employees and they’ll close up shop.”
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June 27th, 2008 at 10:01 pm
While that’s possibly true, nobody’s taking specific and targeted government action to increase wage disparity, so it’s not like we can discuss a particular law that’s creating the situation and debate it’s positives and negatives.
You’re changing the topic, though.
This is more or less the point I was trying to make. I think that raising the minimum wage decreases employment. While that doesn’t necessarily mean I’m against raising it (or having one at all), it is something worth considering when discussion of raising it is, ahem, raised. Merely pointing out that wage disparity is a bad thing doesn’t contradict the point that I was making. Nor does saying that GDP doesn’t matter much.
The question is, if the minimum wage does decrease employment, how much of a decrease are you willing to tolerate for an increase in the minimum wage? If it’s a tradeoff… how much is it worth to you?
I don’t have an answer to this. I just wish it were discussed more, and in these terms. I find the demagoguery that surrounds this issue exhausting.
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June 27th, 2008 at 10:05 pm
So…..I’d rather see a maximum wage gap bill passed, rather than a minimum wage. One will influence the other and the widening gap between upper and middle class will be reigned in.
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June 27th, 2008 at 10:09 pm
It is, indeed, exhausting. I’m looking for someone who will be knowlegeable enough, courageous enough and honest enough to say that the problem is influenced by many factors. Addressing massive overcompensation at the top would be a lovely start.
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June 27th, 2008 at 10:10 pm
PS…props for the “ahem”!
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June 27th, 2008 at 10:16 pm
Oops…. reined not reigned….I was feeling all Princessy there for a sec…
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June 28th, 2008 at 6:24 am
To clarify:
We all have our own crosses to bear, so let’s be fair to one and all.
There is nothing in the Bible that indicates the antichrist has to be a Muslim. He will be one who presents himself as the Messiah through the support of an apparently righteous pseudo-Christianity headed by a false Prophet of God and the active support of a military-industrial-political complex of con-men married to the agenda of the god of this world and complicit in bringing it to pass. But all things must come to pass before the end of our time of trouble.
In many ways, we have sown the seeds of our own destruction by not following the way of Christ in our relationship to God and man. He followed the Holy Will of His Father in Heaven, and offered himself up as a willing sacrifice for the sins of all mankind.
We have become the number one arms supplier in the world, and many of our enemies of today were “friends” who were armed by us when they were of use to us.
We must admit that many of our problems with Muslims arose from political considerations influenced by our support of corrupt dictators amassing wealth while tightening their grip on power. Much of the resentment of the US by other people in other lands comes from our economic exploitation of their resources for private gain while providing material assistance to brutal tyrants until they must be removed by any means necessary so we may deal with someone more to our liking.
Then there was our covert support of ethnic “freedom fighters” attempting to overthrow governments that we oppose–only to discard their concerns as unrelated to our own national interest. We made them feel like we were only using them to fight our battles on their soil.
The Communists did the same thing in their quest for world control and lost considerable ground in the bankruptcy and break-up of the Soviet Union. But this notion that we are smarter or better and “too big to fail” has come back to bite us in the butt.
Furthermore, the Communist philosophy of state control is making a big comeback as they gain a better understanding of how to use our “free” enterprise system to gain power. We started out with high ideals, but based our actions upon a narrow understanding of risk and reward—a purely materialistic view, if you will. Now, we outsource to China for some of our most basic wants and “needs to have it now” urges to splurge on immediate self-gratification. While our government seeks to restrict the importation of prescription drugs from Canada, pharmaceutical companies are allowed to outsource the production of the “safe and effective” medications to the very same people who make our children’s lead-painted toys.
We often created the anger and resentment that gave an opening to radical clerics of the Islamic faith. Likewise, we appear to have our own version of Sharia Law being promoted here by Conservative Republicans—prompting an equal, if not exactly opposite, reaction from Liberal Democrats. As control periodically passes from one party to the other, change is inevitably introduced. Indeed change has been with us all along, with rapid advances in technology creating “emerging growth opportunities” for investing in a line of BS—namely, that our government is of, by and for the People. It may have been, in the beginning (when people were clearly defined as white male landowners), but it isn’t now; at least, not for the average Joe Blow. These days, you can usually identify the ones who count by the smirks on their faces as they stonewall any attempts to hold them accountable.
With all three monotheistic faiths now embroiled in the Middle East, we have the makings of a “perfect storm” of religious fervor. All three are politically active in promoting their idea of morality and the rule of law for a populace steeped in their interpretation of the Will of God.
The spirit of antichrist has been with us since the day of Jesus Christ and works to spread “lies, damn lies and statistics” in order to deceive the whole world. In the end, this is what may lead to an Unholy Alliance of “True Believers” and wily deceivers creating their own vision of Heaven on Earth—through a New World Order limiting our choices to a one world political, religious and economic system designed to cull mankind for the rottenest apples Satan can find to work with him.
There is only one absolute truth—only one right way to live. The ONLY One that has done it will return in All Power and Glory to rule with an iron rod, but not until the imposter is revealed for what he is—a pretender to the Throne of God.
It matters not what shape or form is taken by the antichrist. There is nothing we can do to prevent him from coming to power as prophesied. It doesn’t really matter whether he is a Christian, Muslim, or Jew. Who he is and where he came from will be revealed to all when the time comes. What is important is where one stands at the end of his time on this earth. This will determine his place in Heaven or Hell. Who have you knowingly and willingly served and do you stand with him now?
There are plenty of band-wagon “brothers in Christ” who can easily be deceived by Satan and his antichrist. There are plenty of false prophets preaching propaganda for doctrine and pushing pretenders to the throne.
BTW, I am currently driving taxi for a living. I average about $6.00/hr. after I pay for gas, and I must pay double social security taxes since I am an “independent businessman” who is bound to get rich someday. I have no objection to paying those with a regular paycheck a living wage. Much of my business comes from minimum wage workers who cannot get to work any other way and can no longer afford to tip me due to the rising cost of everything under the sun. Two-thirds of our economy is consumer based from what I hear. The whole idea of the recent tax rebate was to get people spending again. The middle class and working poor have been losing ground for several years, as the rich invest their tax-cuts in areas that create few jobs in this country. We have been giving companies huge tax write-offs for closing obsolete facilities in the US while giving them tax CREDITS for setting up shop in foreign lands.
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June 29th, 2008 at 2:55 pm
ITS THE LITTLE PEOPLE THAT GET HURT AT THE END
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June 29th, 2008 at 3:13 pm
Which little people? At the end of what?
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June 29th, 2008 at 5:42 pm
DoorFrame:
Little People:
The poor; the powerless; the helpless, hapless and hopeless. Those with few illusions and self-delusions of their superiority over others. Those who do not believe that they deserve special privileges because of where they came from or where they may believe they are going to.
The End:
Name any policy, process or procedure that relies on competition to determine a few “winners” while defining everyone else a “loser”. You will find that at the end of the day, most of the winners think of the losers as “little people”.
Of course, this is not a very precise answer to your question. Perhaps if Leona Helmsley was still with us you could ask her what she meant when she said, “Taxes are for little people.”
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June 30th, 2008 at 9:07 am
Look, let’s all ignore mister truthful because even though he can do math, he bases his opinions on mere couincidence. (I know, I cant spell) He is being rediculously idiotic. I think we should all try to find bible verses that say to ignore people like him.
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June 30th, 2008 at 9:47 am
Yes I be leave he is the anti-Christ the world is ready for him now the food,gas people losing their homes,there cars, there jobs,there way of life there family’s health is out of control the weather of off its rocker so yes what better way to bring the country down to its needs so people would except this new world order new ways of life some will sell there souls to get back what th ave lost they’ll except this man with all the answers saying peace peace witch things aren’t what thy appear to be
flybird-newworldorder,blogspot.com
flybird63@yahoo.com
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June 30th, 2008 at 9:55 am
I think we already discouraged Mr. Truthful from bombarding us with his nonsense. We haven’t heard from him in a week. Perhaps he has decided that we aren’t worth saving. Or maybe, just maybe, he has realized that his PROOF relies on faulty logic and fairy dust. Either way, I believe that the discussion has taken a much more productive turn for the better. People are debating the facts of the matter and not relying on odd feelings of impending disaster when considering the possibility of electing our first Black president.
There are plenty of middle-aged smooth talkers in today’s world. There is nothing in the Bible that says the antichrist has to be Black or Muslim. There is no proof whatsoever that Obama is a “closet” Muslim pretending to be a Christian. Haven’t we had enough of election campaigns relying heavily on rumor and innuendo and short on specifics of policy proposals? Do we really want a president whose supporters use character assasination of his opponents to convince the electorate that their man is the right man for the job?
When I consider some of the things said and done on behalf of candidates and the way rumors take on a life of their own, I must come to this conclusion:
If ignorance is bliss, then we must be the happiest people on the planet.
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June 30th, 2008 at 12:20 pm
Devout Christians, Muslims (at least the Shiites) and Jews are all looking for their version of a Messiah—a “Savior” that will eliminate the enemies of God if they do not submit to His authority (as defined by the proponents of this or that interpretation of their faith).
While Christians and Messianic Jews are awaiting the Second Coming of Christ, more traditional Jews believe He has yet to come the first time, but will soon arrive. Meanwhile, there is the Muslim legend of the Mahdi (the twelfth Imam of Shiite Islam)—a powerful religious, political, and military leader who will convert the entire world to Islam. Some versions have him accompanied by reincarnations of Jesus and Moses to declare themselves as Muslims.
We are all free to believe what we want, but how can we be sure we are right in our judgments when we base our beliefs on translations of the Bible that are themselves often based on previous translations? The Word of God is only LITERALLY TRUE in the original texts, which were written in numerically based languages—Hebrew, Aramaic, and Greek. The best translations to the common vernacular of the day can only provide spiritual truth with intriguing hints as to what exactly we may expect in the future. After all, it is only recently that the phrase “do not bruise the oil” has referred to anything but cooking oil. Who would have thought that the scarcity and excessive inflation in the cost of our most basic staples of life would be the indirect result of short-sighted agricultural policies and environmental disasters, as well as wars and rampant speculation? Anyone reading Revelation twenty years ago would assume that it was directly imposed by the antichrist and his satanic government.
The first time I heard Bill Clinton speak, he was still one of the seven dwarves and under fire for his infidelity and his “slick” presentation of himself as a man of the people. I instantly knew that he would be our next president. Moreover, I also knew that I could never vote for him. I did not take a flying leap of faith and try to brand him as the antichrist and I certainly did not vote Republican in an effort to defeat him.
It has become obvious that our two-party system has tightened the control of filthy rich elites over the rest of us. The mainstream media is complicit in their obsessive preoccupation with horse races and the “fair and balanced” approach to presenting conservative and liberal proponents of Republican or Democratic rule to the exclusion of all other parties and points of view. Meanwhile, the most of the American public remains woefully ignorant of history, geography, and current events in other parts of the world. Indeed, they are blissfully unaware of the ungodly actions taken by our government while maintaining the illusion that we are a “Christian” nation.
We have sown the seeds of our own destruction, and now we must reap the whirlwind. Such is the consequence of false pride and arrogance.
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June 30th, 2008 at 1:15 pm
By “numerically based” languages, do you mean that the number system of these languages happened to use the same characters as the writing system? While this is a characterization of the writing systems it is rather irrelevant to the languages themselves, which are orthogonal to their writing systems. You are correct that in general distinct human languages (i.e. not dialects or creoles) are to at least some degree not trivially tranlsatable, in that some nuance is necessarily lost when converting from the original. But this doesn’t really have anything to do with the number system used by readers of those languages, unless you’re looking for a numerological connection.
Of more interest to me, though, what does “do not bruise the oil” mean, and what did it formerly mean? That is an entirely new phrase to me.
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June 30th, 2008 at 2:08 pm
Sorry Troeltsch, I didn’t mean to confuse you with an imprecise quote. The actual quote from the King James Version can be found in Revelation 6: 6 where, speaking of the opening of the third seal and the appearance of the black horse, it is stated: “And I heard a voice in the midst of the four beasts say, A measure of wheat for a penny, and three measures of barley for a penny; and see thou hurt not the oil and the wine.” It is entirely possible that the oil in this quote is in reference to the black gold that is in unstable areas of the world, giving rise to rampant speculation that access will be restricted either directly or indirectly by military action. But, of course, this is mere idle speculation on my part.
As for numerology, I have no confidence in such things, but I do believe that God has a sacred numbering system—a perfect system of higher Mathematics—that is revealed in the original texts. I believe that His perfect plan for salvation has been programmed, if you will, into His Word. The fact that we do not understand it fully does not negate the fact that there is order to the chaos we see in our daily lives. The various translations of the Bible render the “number of the beast”—666—irrelevant when applied with modern numbering systems to the names of people now living. Some people are trying to label anyone with 6 letters in each of his names as the antichrist. Others seem to have some pretty wild ideas of what it might mean. Still others could care less what the Bible actually says about the antichrist, as they go with gut feelings about this or that public figure. Given our ignorance of world events and the movers and shakers behind the scenes in foreign lands, it is possible that the antichrist is still flying below the radar and will not be revealed until a later date.
Many people throughout history have been labeled as the antichrist. None of them proved to be up to the task of deceiving the whole world.
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June 30th, 2008 at 3:39 pm
Pretty interesting. How do you suppose that phrase may have been interpreted in its original context? Something with regard to biblical sacrifice?
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June 30th, 2008 at 5:34 pm
It is quite possible that it refers to the ritual uses oil and wine, or it may just refer to the more common uses in eating and drinking. It is my understanding that olive oil was used both for cooking and anointing. Of course, in anointing there may have been a ritual involved to “consecrate” the oil first. I really don’t know as much as I would like to, but I have a very poor memory for such things and must rely on logic to interpret what things may signify in the grand scheme of things both spiritual and material.
Here is something to consider: Most Christians will still say that the only way to be saved is to accept Jesus Christ. While God’s Law has been written upon our hearts, His Son’s name is foreign to many who have not been exposed to the Gospel of Christ. In the past, many religious leaders have dismissed the question of salvation for those who never had the chance to hear about Jesus or who only hear lies about Him. Now, many Christians believe that anyone who does not accept Christ before he dies will go directly to Hell.
There are those who will deny the possibility of the Millennium–a thousand year period of government in which the “saints” (those who overcome in this life) will rule and reign with Christ. In my opinion, this is the only way that most people can be saved. Jesus plainly said that no man can come to the Father except through Him, but He also said that no man can come to Him unless drawn by the Father. The Millennium is where God will level the playing field. All those who have not been saved when Christ returns will have the opportunity to learn the right way to live.
I might add that the “rapture” is a load of bunk when viewed as an escape mechanism. God doesn’t give anyone a free pass. Most of the apostles were martyred eventually, although they certainly enjoyed God’s protection until their mission in life was complete. But we have an apostate Christianity that has turned God’s Word upside down and inside out.
There are plenty of Muslims and Jews who come closer to following the Christian way of life than many who trumpet their “personal” relationship to the One they claim to honor while celebrating Christianized pagan rituals that have nothing to do with Him and “supporting” our troops by sending them off to fight an arbitrary war marketed with visions of mushroom clouds. Our government officials did such a good job of selling the lie that Saddam Hussein was behind 9-11, that some people still believe it. But then, I have heard some ignoramuses say that Bill Clinton was the President who presided over the first Gulf War. It’s no wonder that this country is about to go down the tubes.
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June 30th, 2008 at 5:52 pm
I am writing this to all of you I oh you all apologize and hope you all will take it and for give things that I have said against you i still be leave what I be leave about Obama thats not what I apologize ring for but I was backing up mr truthful at times and I should of never done that I should of stayed solely with the word and only the word he had said he had posted on rumors daily and I never saw it and so forth he said some bad things to me he calms I’ve been scanning him acting like I can;t spell and so on and that he can report me for things that I done I fill Ive done no then roughn I can’t spell I am not lieing if you could see what he had said then you would no were I was coming from but you guys were right about a lot of things and hope I am for given think you
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June 30th, 2008 at 6:03 pm
It doesn’t really surprise me that MR TRUTHFUL, who seems to have paranoid conspiracy theories about Obama based on lots of crazy numerology, would also have paranoid conspiracy theories about you, flybird. If I were you I would ignore him.
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June 30th, 2008 at 6:32 pm
I thank you I just don’t know what I done he sent another email I think he thinks I am banning him from posting here I don’t know how to due that and I can’t if I did no how its not my site this is so mixed up I am a little slow and this is really over my head
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June 30th, 2008 at 10:10 pm
illuminati !!!!
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June 30th, 2008 at 10:16 pm
Choose ALLAH or choose CHrist!! Choose CHRIST- starve children, cut off money, cut off head!!
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June 30th, 2008 at 10:27 pm
Intellect and reason won’t save you from the pits of hell! blind bitches!!!
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June 30th, 2008 at 10:55 pm
WHAT DO YOU STAND FOR? atheist. answer please…
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July 1st, 2008 at 5:54 am
AM A NORMAL PERSON AND I KNOW HOW I FILL ABOUT OBAMA I REALLY TRY TO STAY WITH CHRIST MAYBE TO A LOT OF PEOPLE I AM NO THEN JUST SOME ONE THY CAN USE TO MAKE A POINT AND TO SPIT OUT WHEN THERE DONE WITH THEM AT LEAST WHEN PEOPLE TELL YOU THAT YOUR DUMB OR A RETARD THERE TELLING YOU THE TRUTH BECAUSE YOU CAN’T USE PROPER ENGISH OR PORER SPELLING AND THE WORDS THY USE BECAUSE YOU ARE LESS EDUCATED AS THY OUR ITS THINGS LIKE THAT PEOPLE CAN TAKE BECAUSE ITS THE TRUTH BUT ITS A DIFFERENT THING WHEN YOU’VE DONE NO THEN THAT BECOMES A DIFFERENT THING THAT BECOMES A LIE MR TRUTHFUL I’VE REC VIED SOME REALLY BAD WORDS FROM YOU AND THERE ALL LIES I HAVE NEVER STOPPED ANYONE FROM SAYING WHAT THY BE LEAVE I BE LEAVE OF FREEDOM OF S PEACE THATS THE AMERICAN WAY AS A PASTOR WHICH YOU CLAM TO BE I AM A SHAMED MO MINSTER WOULD OF SAID THE THINGS YOU SAID TO ME I DONE NO THEN TO DESERVED THEM WORDS MR TRUTHFUL MY PRAYERS ARE FOR YOU YOU REALLY NEED THEM SO YOU WILL NEVER AGAIN TREAT A PERSON IN THAT MANNER AGAIN IN THE BIBLE THESE ARE MY WORDS IF A PERSON GOES INTO A HOUSE AND THAT HOUSE IS UNCLEAN OR WON’T EXCEPT YOU YOU ARE TO TURN AROUND AND LEAVE DUST OF YOUR FEET AND TO NEVER ENTER AGAIN I AM WRITTEN THIS ON THIS BLOG BECAUSE I KNOW YOU READ THESE AND HAD BLOCKED MY EMAIL TO YOU BECAUSE YOU MUST FILL I DONE YOU A BAD WRONG THAT IS NOT ME AT ALL I HAVE ALL EMAILS YOU SENT ME ALL EMAILS GOING OUT TO YOU AND NONE WERE MEAN FROM YOU OR OUT TO YOU EXCEPT THE ONES 6 OR 8 FROM YOU THREATING ME AND THE WORKS CALLING NAMES AND THINKING I AM STOPPING YOU FROM POSTING I AM NOT THE OWNER OF THIS SITE I CAN’T DUE THAT YOU CAN LIE ALL YOU WANT THERES ONE YOU CANT LIE TO THAT NOS THE TRUTH AND THATS ARE GOD YOU SAID I FELL FOR IT LINE AND SINKER I BE LEAVE THATS WHAT YOU SAID I PRAY IF THAT WAS SO THERES PEOPLE OUT THERE AS WELL AS I THAT YOU DECEIVED MY GOD HAVE MER SEE ON YOUR SOUL
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July 1st, 2008 at 6:26 am
Flybird:
You may be less educated than many of the people who post on this website, but you are not dumb or a retard. I don’t know what Mr. Truthful has been saying to you, but I am sure it was unjustified. God has given us all talents that would be useful to Him, if we are willing to use them in His service. I may have a little trouble reading your posts, but I can easily see that God gave you a big heart and a lot of patience to put up with the kind of insults people throw around to make themselves feel superior to others.
Barack Obama could possibly be the antichrist, but there is no proof yet. Most of what people cite as proof is mere conjecture on their part and totally unbiblical. There are plenty of racists and political troublemakers that are more than happy to fuel the speculation. You have a right to your feelings and your point of view, just like anyone else. However, I must point out that Mr. Truthful is in serious need of therapy. If he really is a pastor, he is leading his congregation down the wrong path.
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July 1st, 2008 at 8:39 am
Wow I’ve been reading some of the posts above and some of you guys can get a bit rough at times huh! Well think about this for a bit. If Obama is, lets say not batting for the christian side, then things are going to get real peacefull for a while (He will appear as an Angel of the light) and if we continue with the Antichrist theory then its bound to start getting more difficult for us christian folk at some stage. The Mark will only be a problem for christians and the non believers will in all likelyhood find things much to their liking initially. So guys if you are non believers lighten up a bit as its possible things are going to look a lot brighter soon and as for my brothers and sisters in Christ, it makes no difference if Obama is or is not the antichrist, our mandate remains the same. LOVE for ALL (non believers too).
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July 1st, 2008 at 9:32 am
bjh:
You have hit the proverbial nail on the head. Most of the posters who believe Obama is the antichrist also believe that he will drag this country down in short order through ultra-liberal Marxist policies. However, if this is true, how will he gain control of the entire world by convincing them that he will solve all of their problems?
George Bush has as much chance of accomplishing this, since he has pretty much set us on the path of no return to Constitutional principles that have served this country well for over 200 years. I don’t see any other countries begging him to take control of their affairs.
Most self-proclaimed Evangelicals believe that the antichrist will first emerge as the leader of the EU. This would appear to make the most sense, since the EU is currently on the rise while we are destined for third-world status–no matter who is our next president. Others may believe the antichrist to be a radical Muslim; hence, the herculean effort to convince us all that Obama is really a Muslim.
What we have here is a vague sense of dread, as it is obvious that we are living in the last days. But the rampant speculation of fear mongers will only lead to unnecessary pain and suffering, while setting the stage for the genuine article as he begins his ascent to power. There is no way to prevent the antichrist from fulfilling his role in God’s plan. We will not see Jesus again until the antichrist first comes to power. It was never our job to defeat him through direct action. And there is no way to identify him without real proof. The idle musings of those determined to hang labels on people will not suffice.
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July 1st, 2008 at 1:13 pm
Yes, anyone can take your name and use it to post their thoughts. This has happened on another site. There are evil presences that do not want communication, therefore, they will twist and distort the truth for their own enjoyment. If you feel the person you were talking to has changed, then he/she probably has. I personally know some people that were verbally attacked, and then they were virtually attacked (computer) after posting on these sites. Beware, evil presences abound. End times is just that….end times. People will become desperate in everyway. Keep your eyes upon the Lord. He has our backs!!!!!
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July 1st, 2008 at 5:21 pm
YES I DON’T KNOW IF YOU ARE TALKING ABOUT ME IF SO I DID POST UNDER MY NAME FOR HIM WITH HIS PERMISSION I EMAIL HIM AND HE EMAIL ME BACK SAID YOU CAN AS LONG AS YOU USE MY EMAIL ADDRESS WHICH I FULLING DID I BE LEAVED HE WAS REALLY GOOD AND WHEN HE SAID WE NEED TO SPREAD THE WORD I NEW I COULDN’T SPEAK LIKE HIM AND TURN ANY ONE TO CHRIST I KEPT HIS EMAILS ALL AND ALL THAT I WROTE TO HIM I STOPPED WHEN SOME ONE TOLD ME THAT WAS SPASMING I STARED TO SPEAK FOR MY SELF AND USED MY EMAIL THIS WAS A FEW DAYS BACK THEN I POSTED UNDER FLY BIRD AT THAT TIME I FELT I WAS DUELING GODS WORK I THOUGHT HE WAS USING ME ALSO TO SPREAD HES WORDS BECAUSE HE HAD ASKED ME TO HELP SPREAD THE WORD I WILL NEVER HELP ANY ONE SPREAD THE WORD AGAIN UNLESS GOD HIM SELF SAIDS TO
BECAUSE I HAVE DONE HIM NO WRONG ALL I CAN SAY IS I PRAY I HAVE NOT LEAD ANYONE WRONG FOR POSTING AND THINKING HE WAS TRUE AND AGREEING WITH HIM AND IF I HAVE PLEASE READ YOUR BIBLE AND STUDY FOR THE TRUTH BECAUSE THATS WERE THE TRUTH LIES IS IN THAT BOOK NO MATTER HOW GOOD IT SOUNDS THE TRUTH WILL SET YOU FREE AND DON’T BE LEAVE UNTIL YOU SEARCH FOR YOUR SELF BECAUSE IF THERE IS GOOD THERE IS ALSO EVIL IF THERE IS GOD THERE IS ALSO EVIl
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July 1st, 2008 at 5:26 pm
Please don’t use all capital letters.
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July 1st, 2008 at 5:33 pm
sorry door frame I misd it up again I will try my best to remember that
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July 1st, 2008 at 8:16 pm
http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=barack+obama+anti+christ&btnG=Google+Search
You’re number four behind:
1. http://www.barackobamaantichrist.blogspot.com
2. http://www.snopes.com/politics/obama/antichrist.asp (note the status of this myth :D)
3. answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=20061130125358AA1hRgT (I’m sure there are some wonderful answers to the question there, as well)
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July 1st, 2008 at 10:58 pm
How could Snopes possibly come to an authoritative position on this? Do they also have one saying that the “God is real” myth is false?
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July 2nd, 2008 at 8:17 am
please check with your bible make sure you fine all the answer there I don’t want to stand in front of god and explain why I said some thing wrong because thats me but yes I due be leave that Obama is the anti-Christ I fill he fits but thats my thinking and people know my thinking I thought that before I ever read mr.truthful post I known I am not well liked here but and I know longer have any desire to contact him no longer but theres one thing I washed if some one had stopped him from posting here that thy would post or contact him and set that straight that why I don’t have to fill judge for some thing I have not due I know a lot fill I done that to obama maybe so but its some thing I fill in side and its some thing I am working on I an searching the bible my fillings and to no luck yet I can’t shake it
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July 2nd, 2008 at 7:35 pm
Flybird:
God knows your heart. He knows who is searching for the truth and who is only interested in manipulating others. No one is going to hell for honestly expressed feelings and opinions. We will all understand when the time comes for all to be revealed, but for now we must trust in Him and His Son. They are the ones with complete knowledge of His plan. Even Jesus did not have all the answers until He completed His mission here on Earth. Did He not ask the Father if there was another way when praying in the Garden of Gethsemane? Matthew 26:39, Mark 14:36, Luke 22:42
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July 2nd, 2008 at 7:39 pm
Nobody goes to hell for honestly expressed opinions or feelings? What if those honestly expressed feelings and opinions indicate an evil, evil interior?
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July 2nd, 2008 at 7:47 pm
You just answered your own question. But, if I must spell it out for you, evil intent does not allow the honest expression of opinions or feelings. It is possible to say or do evil things without evil intent. After all, none of us is perfect. We are all struggling to overcome the flesh, if we truly wish to do God’s will.
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July 2nd, 2008 at 8:26 pm
Ive made lots of mistakes in my life ones that I wished I never made but you can’t make time go back and change them only can move forward I be leave being honest about things is the beginning of change before are lord can forgive us we have to try to make the wrong right the best we can then are lord will for give us we have to be sorry for the wrong things we done and said and I deserver what I get from the lord for not dewing what he saids to due I was miss lead and should of never done it but I know I been forgiven for it as long as I don’t ever due it again
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July 2nd, 2008 at 10:33 pm
Flybird:
Only God knows for sure what is an anyone’s heart, but some GOOD HEARTS are easy to discern. Yours is one of them. I have said before that Barack Obama could prove to be the antichrist, but he isn’t there yet. All anyone can say is that the son of perdition will be revealed at a time of God’s choosing. We must wait upon the Lord and pray for His guidance in living the Christian life.
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July 3rd, 2008 at 1:09 pm
Ronald Wilson Reagan? 666 anyone? haha so that whole barack hussein obama thing is not only lame, but taken already
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July 3rd, 2008 at 5:57 pm
I don”t know if any one ever heard this or not I some were heard that the number 666 I think thy said could mean a group of people a system or some thing on that order it was a while back I think like a said I am not sure about that has any one heard some thing on that order I read here that Reagan as the 666 so there must be a lot of people that was in office that carried that number must be a lot of anti-Christs out there the bible saids there would be a lot of anti-Christs
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July 3rd, 2008 at 6:09 pm
flybird, how many letters are in your first, middle and last name? I know your last name has six, and I’m starting to get worried…
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July 3rd, 2008 at 6:43 pm
my first has 5 my middle has 4 my madded name has 7 my ex last name has 6 I am not an anti-Christ I may be all mixed up in my head but I will not deny my God for the world he is my lord and savior be leave it or not thats your right but I wood die for my god because he did for me he gave his life so I would have a way to heaven though him and only god can I get to heaven he’s my bread when I’m hungry he’s my water when I am thirsty hes my father when in need hes my brother when I am alone hes my mother when I need a shoulder to cry on hes my world hes my doctor he’s my savier and much much more
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July 3rd, 2008 at 6:55 pm
Wouldn’t the anti-Christ say all those things, too?
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July 3rd, 2008 at 7:22 pm
Doorframe you will be leave what you want to I know he will claim to be God and will perform miracles and set in the tempo and clam to be god and he will seem to have all the answers but the first 3 1/2 years The way I under stand it he’ll be ok but at the middle of the seven years he receives a head wound and the anti-Christ takes over then the bad things start to happen if I am wrong correct me please
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July 3rd, 2008 at 7:40 pm
Perhaps we should get Obama an especially large helmet of some sort, to prevent him from becoming the anti-Christ. Finally, this thread is turning productive!
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July 3rd, 2008 at 8:10 pm
well, it does make sense that for 3.5 years he’ll seem to have all the answers — after all, he’s got to get re-elected after 4.
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July 4th, 2008 at 5:07 am
Good one, DoorFrame!
Now at the risk of reinforcing the suspicions of those who fear the inevitable, try checking out this website to see just where this richest, most powerful country is headed—and why.
http://www.bibleprophecy.net/secret/late_great_usa.htm
No one is going to derail God’s plan, and no one can say for sure who will be the antichrist until God chooses to reveal him. The fact is that no one has to be re-elected under Martial Law—not even someone who has already served two terms. Don’t be so sure that Georgie Porgie is ready to give up his vision of transforming the world to conform to his idea of Christianity—pre-emptive WAR, torture of prisoners being held without being charged with any crime, unrestricted spying on American citizens, etc., etc., etc.
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July 5th, 2008 at 9:22 pm
If Barak Hussein Obama is the Anti-Christ. When you will know that he is The Beast of Revelations will become aparent when he signs a peace treaty between Israel and Islam for 7 years, and after 3 and a half years is shot in the head, and dies of a fatal wound to the head. Then miraculously rises from the dead three days later simulating Christ. After this all will worship him and take his mark the number 666. Then all who will not follow him will be killed. All you idiots who is bashing christians on this blog will vote for him and will be sorry. Then your smart ass mouths will be get you no where. Then what will you say? There’s just three words you will half to learn SEIG HEIL Obama or die. Either follow Christ or end up in HELL its your choice, but don’t be an idiot like some on this blog who are clearly deceived by the devil.
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July 5th, 2008 at 9:40 pm
I think I can assure you that pretty much everybody will pay a lot more attention to your theories when Barack Obama (or anybody, really) dies, and then three days later comes back from the dead.
I’m actually a little bit confused about this Israel/Islam thing. First, how can Israel, a country, sign a peace treaty with Islam, a religion? I mean, who would even have the authority to sign a pact for an entire religion? It’s not like they have a pope. Second, even if it were somehow possible for Islam to sign a treaty, how could Obama sign a treaty between Isreal and Islam? He wouldn’t be a party to the treaty, in what way would he be “signing” it? Just, like, a symbolic signature? That’s not really what presidents due, I don’t think. Wouldn’t the treaty be signed by “the pope of Islam” and the Prime Minster of Israel? Third, a seven year treaty? Does anybody sign long term, time-limited treaties like that? I’m pretty sure I’ve never seen one. Why would it be seven and not five or ten years?
Instead of ranting and raving now, why not wait until at least one of your predictions comes true, and then we’ll have a much more orderly discussion. Actually, this is a good idea — someone who believes Obama is the anti-Christ please make a verifiable prediction about what will happen based on the Bible. What’s the next thing that’s going to happen to Barack Obama that you’ll be able to point to and say “See, I told you so”? Is it going to be the treaty thing? That’s a long way off, sadly, but wouldn’t it be easier to wait until you’ve seen some evidence that this person is the anti-Christ before jumping on a (seemingly racist and ill informed) bandwagon?
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July 5th, 2008 at 9:42 pm
Got it all figured out, have you? And what will you have to say if he isn’t the antichrist? God made a mistake and picked the wrong guy to mislead the world? Why don’t you throw away your Left Behind books and learn something about the Word of God? Or are you too lazy to search the scriptures and discern the truth?
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July 5th, 2008 at 9:46 pm
Sorry DoorFrame, your post didn’t pop up on my computer until I hit the post button.
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July 5th, 2008 at 9:49 pm
If I had a dime for every time I heard someone say, “Don’t get me wrong, I’m not a racist” right after ranting about what is wrong with Blacks, I’d have a condo in the Caymans by now.
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July 5th, 2008 at 10:00 pm
Actually, upon further reflection, Ttmsavage sounds more like a skin-head Neo-Nazi than your average garden variety racist. I guess he won’t have to learn how to say SEIG HEIL. He’s been practicing it for quite awhile.
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July 6th, 2008 at 9:39 am
Islam is the what all arabs live by. All arab nations will sign this peace treaty that the antichrist will facilitate. This treaty will only last seven years acording to bilble prophecy. The person that makes peace in the middle east between Israel and her enemies on her borders will be the antichrist. I did not say he is the antichrist. everyone on this blog is saying that. But I am tired of reading people’s rantings against christians and saying they are racist for seeing anyone talking peace in the Middle East as a candidate for the Title of Antichrist. You need to be careful of calling people racist that don’t believe your views. I am very offended that you called me a skinhead and that I practice saying that Phrase. I am not a Nazi. I guess I should have used the words All Hail instead of that. But everyone who follows the Antichrist will be saying something along that line or worse. If you are not careful you will be saying it with them in the future. May’be from the Cayman Islands too if you save enough dimes there.
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July 6th, 2008 at 10:05 am
Ttmsavage – You did imply that he was the anti-Christ:
It sounds to me like you think Obama is the anti-Christ.
I don’t know for sure that people who think Obama is the anti-Christ are racist, but if you think he’s the anti-Christ merely because he’s charismatic, and have never thought a charismatic white politician was the anti-Christ, then I’m going to default to the assumption that you’re racist unless something makes me think otherwise. That’s especially true when you bring up Nazis in the same paragraph as Obama.
Believing that Obama is the anti-Christ is a foolish belief that can’t be backed up by logic, so it has to be backed up by emotions. There’s nothing that get’s people more riled up emotionally than race…
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July 6th, 2008 at 10:11 am
Your comment that I am lazy and don’t search the bible is your views. I have and do search the bible for the truth. I have not read the left behind series of books. They are just books written by men not God. If you think I’m jumping on a bandwagon I am not. I found this site researching the possibility of Obama being the antichrist. What I have seen so far is a bunch of people finding something to fight about and calling everyone RACIST as usual. Race has nothing to do with who the antichrist is. By the way Obama is White and Black not just black. So who is racist. That would make anyone racist who talks about him in any way, whether they are black or white. The problem here is that people can’t find a color to blame so they attack christians and call them racist. Well you people here forget that christians are of all colors and creeds and need to stop labeling them racist.
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July 6th, 2008 at 10:18 am
When you irrationally think a white person is the anti-Christ, then we can discuss whether or not you’re racist.
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July 6th, 2008 at 10:25 am
I got angry at the comments about christians and left out words I intended to write so that it was a hypothetical senario about him being the antichrist. Also to say to those who will follow the antichrist they are fools.
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July 6th, 2008 at 10:27 am
actually the antichrist should come from the European Union. so he will probably be a white person.
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July 6th, 2008 at 10:30 am
Remember Obama is white and black so the argument you have is crazy that I am racist. Good grief!!!
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July 6th, 2008 at 10:34 am
Because nobody is racist against people who are half black? I’m sure the millions of people out there who are only partially black and who have, of course, never been treated at all poorly, are glad to hear it.
If you don’t think he’s the anti-Christ, then I don’t have any reason to think you’re racist.
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July 6th, 2008 at 11:06 am
well i guess that shut him up finally!
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July 6th, 2008 at 11:46 am
I am suprized that anybody can be called racist over this issue of Obama. He is unique and is not for anybody of one color. He is just running for president and probably will win the election. But no matter who wins none of the candidates are going to fix this mess no matter what. Jesus will half to come back and fix this world.
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July 6th, 2008 at 11:53 am
Hi again! Let me just say that I have met many people claiming to be Christian who make unmistakably racist comments. Not all “Christians” are rational in their beliefs. Many have erroneously stated that something is in the Bible. Then they draw their own conclusions about how this “truth” is to be interpreted.
Not all Muslims are Arab. Furthermore, not all Arabs are Muslim. As for Christians, why are there dozens of denominations, sects, and cults—all with their own rites, rituals, and festivals? Where in the Bible was the Sabbath changed by God Almighty to Sunday instead of Saturday? God chose Israel to bring us the law and to be an example to all of us through the feasts and festivals that He established to foreshadow future events. Yet, I have heard some Christians state that “the Jews were chosen for destruction”.
Where do Christians get the authority to declare that someone is going to Hell if he does not accept Christ here and now? Isn’t this what the most radical adherents of Islam say of Infidels who do not accept their religion? Judgment belongs to God and God alone. Where do we get the right to exact revenge on others?
“Dearly beloved, avenge not yourselves, but rather give place unto wrath: for it is written, Vengeance is mine; I will repay, saith the Lord.” Romans 12:19
And when did Jesus say that we must spread the Gospel at the point of a gun? Did He not say to follow His way?
If people are so worried about who is destined to become the antichrist, then they should consider all possibilities. Try this one on for size:
http://www.theforbiddenknowledge.com/hardtruth/calculate_the_number.htm
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July 6th, 2008 at 12:00 pm
BTW, why do most Christians celebrate the Christianized pagan holidays of Christmas and Easter? Christ was born in late September or early October, and He was crucified at the Passover. Why do most Catholics pray to statues of Mary and long-dead “saints” canonized by a church that claims its leader—the Pope—to be infallible. Christ Himself said that we are only to pray to the Father in His name.
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July 6th, 2008 at 12:03 pm
That would be our Father in Heaven—not the one that holds the spurious title of Holy Father here on Earth.
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July 6th, 2008 at 8:30 pm
Hey Hermes – do you have to live in the Ozarks, chew hayseed, and man a moonshine still in order to be a part of this conversation?
I thot I’d heard it all…
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July 6th, 2008 at 9:30 pm
Hey canucklehead! Glad you dropped by! This website is quite an eye-opener, isn’t it? Not on the level of God’s Politics, but very educational if you want to know what some of our “Christians” have on their minds. It certainly disabuses thinking persons of the notion that the good old USA is great for any reason other than the Grace of God.
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July 6th, 2008 at 9:32 pm
if he lived in the ozarks he would be labeled a racist for living there. especially if he was white. don’t you know that only white people are racist and no one else is. All I have heard on this blog is if you don’t want OBAMA you are a racist. If you are christian and preocupied with who may be the antichrist you are racist. Also if you are catholic you are not even considered to be a true christian by some on this blog. OMG there is so many perfect minded, backwards, hateful, people on this blog who can’t even get there stuff straight.
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July 6th, 2008 at 9:33 pm
BTW, I don’t believe I’ve ever told you how much I enjoy the Canadian sense of humor.
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July 6th, 2008 at 9:39 pm
Oh, darn! I have got to get broad-band. This dial-up is way too slow. Too many ignoramuses manage to get in their two cents’ worth before I can hit the submit button.
T-REX, I thought you dinosaurs were supposed to be extinct.
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July 6th, 2008 at 10:03 pm
BTW, there is nothing wrong with Catholics who can acknowledge that the Pope is not infallible.
And he said unto him, Why callest thou me good? There is none good but one, that is, God: but if thou wilt enter into life, keep the commandments. Matthew 19:17
Remember the Sabbath day, to keep it holy. Exodus 20:8
I ask again: Where did anyone get the authority to change the Sabbath day from Saturday to Sunday?
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July 7th, 2008 at 6:52 am
That is the problem with many. If you don’t want Obama as your Prez, then you have to be a racist! Isn’t it ironic that Obama attended a church for 20 years, donated over $20k and both his daughters were baptized there, yet HE IS NOT A RACIST, even though his pastor, “mentor” and friend was racist. (See Youtube, Rev. Jeremiah Wright) Rev Wright preached hate filled messages against “Americans”, “White Americans…Bill and Hillary for two, and yet that is perfectly acceptable. He has now denounced his “friend”. Sounds like a fair weathered friend to me.
There are many reasons that Obama may be the antichrist. His birth and childhood for one. When you google Obama – Antichrist – Wrath over 34,400 sites come up. That’s Amazing!~ So many thinking the same exact thing! The reasons he may be are many!! He was born of a white woman aethist from “WITCH”ita Kansas. Becomes pregant by a black Muslim male in 1960. When that wasn’t a particularly “popular time” to do so. His mother divorces his father and remarries this time a Indoesian Muslim. By his own words, he attended a Jakarta School in Indonesia. These years are the most formidable in a persons life. Perhaps that is why he doesn’t put his hand on his heart when he hears the National Anthem or Pledge. As a child in the US, you learn this in kindergarten or 1st grade. He never learned it because he was going to school in Indonesia.
Here is a “MUST READ” about Obama denying Jesus Christ. Now if he denies Jesus then he can’t be a CHRISTIAN RIGHT?
I can’t post the whole article here, it’s too long. Here are some snipets:
Cathleen Falsani, the author of The God Factor: Inside the Spiritual Lives of Public People, interviewed Barack Obama about his faith March 27, 2004, a few days after he clinched the Democratic nomination for the U.S. Senate seat that he eventually won.
When Falsini asks, “What do you believe?” Obama effectively calls himself a Buddhist, agnostic, Muslim, Jewish, Christian. If you read the whole interview you will see a person who seems to be trying very hard to not take a stand on the Christian faith, yet at the same time tries to identify as a Christian.
(Someone who can be accepted by all religions would make them accpetable to everyone, wouldn’t eh Antichrist to the same?)
GG: What do you believe?
OBAMA: I am a Christian. So, I have a deep faith. So I draw from the Christian faith.
On the other hand, I was born in Hawaii where obviously there are a lot of Eastern influences. I lived in Indonesia, the largest Muslim country in the world, between the ages of six and 10. My father was from Kenya, and although he was probably most accurately labeled an agnostic, his father was Muslim. And I’d say, probably, intellectually I’ve drawn as much from Judaism as any other faith.
(Obama says he is a Christian, but one that is influenced by other religions. This is a recurrent theme. Obama either does not see or will not affirm that Christianity is superior to or contrary to other religions. The Christian confession is that “every knee will bow and every tongue confess that Jesus Christ is Lord.”)
GG: Have you always been a Christian?
OBAMA: I was raised more by my mother and my mother was Christian.
GG: Any particular flavor?
OBAMA: No. My grandparents who were from small towns in Kansas. My grandmother was Methodist. My grandfather was Baptist. This was at a time when I think the Methodists felt slightly superior to the Baptists. And by the time I was born, they were, I think, my grandparents had joined a Universalist church.
(Obama was raised by his grandparents and seems to have adopted their faith, not the Christian faith.)
GG: Do you still attend Trinity?
OBAMA: Yep. Every week. 11 oclock service. Ever been there? Good service. I actually wrote a book called Dreams from My Father, it’s kind of a meditation on race. There’s a whole chapter on the church in that, and my first visits to Trinity.
(For Obama, worship at Trinity is largely about race. Trinity boasts that it is an African Centered Church. The New Testament teaches that we are to be Christ centered and there is no racial distinctions between those who are Christians.)
He attended church there every week and never heard a racist remark….just doesn’t add up.
In summation, HE IS NOT A RACIST. ONLY PEOPLE WHO DO NOT WANT HIM AS THEIR PRESIDENT AS RACISTS!!!!!! ONLY PEOPLE WHO SUSPECT HE MAY BE THE ANTICHRIST ARE RACIST!!
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July 7th, 2008 at 7:33 am
Those who are declaring Obama to be THE antichrist in their headlong rush to judgment are not necessarily racist, but most certainly delusional in their belief that the antichrist can be readily identified at this time. There are many “Christians” who are ambivalent about what it means to be a Christian, and cannot explain why they believe Jesus to be their Lord and Savior or how He has changed their lives—most notably George Bush during the 2000 debates when he blurted out the name of Jesus Christ almost before the question of which PHILOSOPHER had the most influence on his life was completed. When asked how Jesus had influenced his life, he had no explanation—although he claimed to be “Born Again”. I make no such claim for myself, but I submit to you that anyone who is truly born again has the power of the Holy Spirit to aid him in expounding on his faith in the Only Begotten Son of God as the Way, the Truth and the Life. Furthermore, no Christian who claims Jesus to be Lord and Savior would be so careless as to call Him a philosopher. The Word of God is no philosophy, but simply the TRUTH.
If Obama is destined to become the antichrist, those who consider him to merely be a politician running for president will find out soon enough. If he doesn’t prove to be that “man of sin, the son of perdition”, who will be your next target? The fact that he has achieved some sort of “rock star” status is meaningless in today’s overly hyped celebrity driven culture. After all, Evangelicals fell all over themselves to promote George Bush as the Great White Hope and shining light in a dark, dismal world in need of God.
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July 7th, 2008 at 7:33 am
That’s an amazing point. You know what else? If you google Tierney Anti Christ, 32,300 sites come up. OH MY GOD! YOU MUST BE THE ANTI-CHRIST!
Ok, now everybody, don’t vote for Tierney.
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July 7th, 2008 at 10:49 am
You’re good. You didn’t have much to say about the article published in 2004, where Obama openly denies Jesus Chrtist! Guess you just skipped over that part. You seemed to zero in on the “google” numbers. Maybe that seems important to you…the point was that many are thinking the same thing. Obviously you were thinking it to, that’s why you are posting here, or perhaps you are an Obama defender and feel the need to aid him. There were many sites in the past that claimed George Bush and the Clintons were the antichrists. Yet they never felt the need to create a cyber team to stop these false accusations. Why does he feel the need to derail anyone having a negative thought about him? Last time I looked, we still had freedom of speech as one of our bill of rights. Also, DF, you also skipped over the part about his racist church. Don’t have a comment on that either? You denounce your “mentor” of twenty years, why? Perhaps he is hurting your political aspirations. Dragging you down, so to speak….
In case you’ve not noticed I am not running for President of the most powerful nation in the world, and commander in chief of the most powerful military in the world. Change is great…but changing to what? That’s the BIG?
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July 7th, 2008 at 11:48 am
“Those who are declaring Obama to be THE antichrist in their headlong rush to judgment are not necessarily racist, but most certainly delusional in their belief that the antichrist can be readily identified at this time.
The word of God tells us to be watchful. We must tell others what the Lord has revealed to us.
Ezekiel 33
The Watchman’s Duty
1 The word of the LORD came to me: 2 “Son of man, speak to your countrymen and say to them: ‘When I bring the sword against a land, and the people of the land choose one of their men and make him their watchman, 3 and he sees the sword coming against the land and blows the trumpet to warn the people, 4 then if anyone hears the trumpet but does not take warning and the sword comes and takes his life, his blood will be on his own head. 5 Since he heard the sound of the trumpet but did not take warning, his blood will be on his own head. If he had taken warning, he would have saved himself. 6 But if the watchman sees the sword coming and does not blow the trumpet to warn the people and the sword comes and takes the life of one of them, that man will be taken away because of his sin, but I will hold the watchman accountable for his blood.
BUT I WILL HOLD THE WATCHMAN ACCOUNTABLE FOR HIS BLOOD!!!!
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July 7th, 2008 at 12:23 pm
Yadda, yadda, yadda. We’ve heard it before TIERNEY. If I’m not mistaken, we heard it from you. Have you ever heard of the boy who cried wolf?
The internet was not as advanced or as heavily used in the past, and people have been warning of this or that person being THE ANTICHRIST! OMG! since before the invention of the printing press.
BTW, George Bush—who claims to be born again—labeled Jesus Christ as a philosopher. Doesn’t that somehow deny the fact that Jesus was the Son of God and gave all glory to His Father in Heaven? And if he is truly born again, wouldn’t he be able to clarify what he meant instead of begging the question by saying that it can’t be explained?
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July 7th, 2008 at 1:05 pm
Yadda, Yadda, Yadda, I think I’d rather be called the “soup nazi” than the boy who cried wolf. I can’t make you see with those blinders on, all I can do is relay the information. Don’t shoot the messenger. Just as God gave us all free will. You have free will to either open your eyes or be blinded by the “lightening” – Obama’s name in Hebrew.
Ezek 33:6
But if the watchman sees the sword coming and does not blow the trumpet to warn the people and the sword comes and takes the life of one of them, that man will be taken away because of his sin, but I will hold the watchman accountable for his blood.
Again, no response to the valid points I bring up about his Church and “mentor” and the interview in 2004 where he denies Jesus Christ!!
The only way to the father is through the son!!!
Obama’s own words……
So that, one of the churches I met, or one of the churches that I became involved in was Trinity United Church of Christ. And the pastor there, Jeremiah Wright, became a good friend. So I joined that church and committed myself to Christ in that church.
(This is not a Christian conversion. A true Christian comes to Christ acknowledging he is a sinner and deserving of God’s just wrath. One flees to Christ in order to be saved from sin and its just consequences. One must humbly admit they cannot be saved by pleasing God by any amount of “good works.” By grace you are saved through faith… not of works, lest any man should boast.)
GG: Can we go back to that morning service in 1987 or 88 — when you have a moment that you can go back to that as an epiphany…
OBAMA: It wasn’t an epiphany. It was much more of a gradual process for me. I know there are some people who fall out. Which is wonderful. God bless them. For me it was probably because there is a certain self-consciousness that I possess as somebody with probably too much book learning, and also a very polyglot background.
GG: It wasn’t like a moment where you finally got it? It was a symbol of that decision?
OBAMA: Exactly. I think it was just a moment to certify or publicly affirm a growing faith in me.
(Born again Christians do not describe conversion as a symbolic act of a growing faith. It is a moment in which God’s grace is realized and one is brought out of spiritual darkness into the light.)
He can’t even remember when he came to know Christ, 87 or 88. SOunds real convincing to me, yadda, yadda, yadda!
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July 7th, 2008 at 1:10 pm
Hermes #573 – The only reason the USA is great is because we founded this country on religion and God. In God we trust. To bad we have fallen from the grace of god. Abortion, which Obama supports, partial birth abortion…if the baby is still alive, it must be killed. Sounds like a “christian” to me. Now Californication is supporting Gay and Lesbian marriages. Too bad they whole state is burning!!! Also, Iowa, the first state to nationally support Obama, has a historic 500 year flood.
We have fallen from God’s grace. Why don’t you smite him and slap God in the face again. I am surprised you EVEn believe in the antichrist?
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July 7th, 2008 at 2:16 pm
Yes if California is burning and Iowa Had that bad flood then I wouldn’t want him to come to Arizona I would invite him to Arizona if it would rain but instead God would send fire
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July 7th, 2008 at 4:31 pm
Tierney, regardless of whether Obama actually denied Christ (I haven’t looked at your link) why would that have any bearing on whether he’s the anti-Christ. Watch this, “I deny Christ.” Am I the anti-Christ?
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July 7th, 2008 at 4:35 pm
Wait, Tierney, I just read your quotes, where does he deny Christ? Can you show me just the one quote where he denies Christ? It’s possible I’m missing it because of all the material.
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July 7th, 2008 at 5:27 pm
ts one thing to be funning but to say what you did is so wrong even if by chance it Iwas just to make a point if by chance you would of just killed over and said that I don’t think I need to say what could happen to you I don’t make a joke out of our God he’s no joke maybe people like my self have lost it in a lot of peoples eyes I agree I might have mis understand a lot of the things I read in the bible but willing to learn I know not hen of others be leafs except my own I heard a lot of you keep wanting people to prove he is the anti-Christ how about proving he’s not the anti-Christ point out in the bible 100% he’s not as you want others to due to prove he is
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July 7th, 2008 at 5:27 pm
TIERNEY:
If you will read and pay attention to the verses you quote from Ezekiel 33, you will notice that the watchman is APPOINTED BY HIS COUNTRYMEN. If you want to volunteer for the job, why don’t you run for president and make your case to the public at large instead of preaching to a choir of off-key voices with tin ears singing a bad tune.
Furthermore, the antichrist will not deny Christ. He will present himself AS Christ. Why would he deny that which he believes himself to be? As for that interview, you read too much into what Obama says and take too little out of it. Many HONEST church leaders will tell you that conversion to the Christian faith is not a one-size fits all process—although no one is truly BORN AGAIN until he receives the gift of the Holy Spirit.
“No man can come to me, except the Father which hath sent me draw him: and I will raise him up at the last day.” John 6:44
It seems to me that you have already judged those who do not accept YOUR INTERPRETATION and MISUNDERSTANDING of God’s Word and found them unworthy to accompany you to Heaven. Frankly, MY God—Jesus’ Father in Heaven—appears to be much bigger than yours, for He has a much more wonderful plan for the salvation of mankind than you seem to envision.
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July 7th, 2008 at 6:25 pm
Flybird:
I am sorry to say that it is impossible to prove a negative. Just as Saddam Hussein could not prove that he had no weapons of mass destruction without allowing us to sift through every grain of sand in Iraq, no one will be able to prove that Obama is not the antichrist until the real one becomes known for a fact. In this free country of ours, anyone accused of anything is presumed to be innocent until proven guilty, and I have seen no definitive proof presented here–just rumor and innuendo laced with a heavy dose of hypocrisy.
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July 7th, 2008 at 6:27 pm
Of course, there are a few like you who readily admit that they do not know it all and merely seek to understand what they honestly feel.
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July 7th, 2008 at 7:55 pm
All of you should go to this site to see the info on Obama.
http://www.o.bamapost.com and click on the video link and watch the video about his associations and his refusal to wear a flag pin or give proper reverence to our national anthem. this should cause you all to squabble some more over this antichrist rumor.
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July 7th, 2008 at 8:04 pm
hermes did you know that scientists claim they can genetically enginneer dinosaurs using chicken eggs. so dinosaurs will rise again. Maybe obama will use them in his quest for world domination and that would really make him an antichrist. HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA!!!!!!!
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July 7th, 2008 at 9:47 pm
God told me tonight at 9:47:32 MDT that Britney Spears’ sister is the anti-Christ. Print that!
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July 8th, 2008 at 12:35 am
Seems to me that many of the people shooting down possibilities are the so called “non-believers.” Fact of the matter is, we all believe in something whether it is in a spiritual or scientific aspect. Belief. WE ALL BELIEVE IN SOMETHING THAT WE HOLD TRUE. Truth comes in many forms to many different people, and just to shoot down others thoughts and options because of difference is just a form of prejudice. So all the talk of racism above as well. It is not a racist notion to question possibilities of your fellow man. His color is not the issue. The fact that Obama compares so closely to a figure described in the best selling book of all time that is also one of our oldest most complete historical references, should not be so closely overlooked. The fact that the country is falling to believe a man who won’t salute them or the work of their ancestors is absurd. This country was founded on freedoms, yes; our country works to try to ensure these freedoms, yes; our country is so quick to shoot down the freedom of others, yes. I am cramming a lot of my thoughts quickly into this because I am tired, however, take a look at yourself before pointing fingers. Belief is what you make of it and what you direct what you claim as “truths” towards. Whether Obama is the anti-Christ, a radical Muslim, or just the first black man to run for president, all views should not be shot down. Look at yourself and your situation and refrain from pointing fingers of wrong accusations. NO ONE KNOWS WHAT IS CORRECT. I personally fear Obama and it is an opinion I have formulated from doing my research. Take heed, and listen to your fellow man. May God bless you all, shalom. Remember: ubuntu (http://ubuntu.wordpress.com/2006/06/01/the-meaning-of-ubuntu-explained-by-nelson-mandela/)
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July 8th, 2008 at 6:05 am
rbdeca:
I agree that some of the posters on this site are obviously “non-believers”—whatever you may mean by that. I must assume that it refers to a belief in Jesus Christ. You must admit (if you took the time to examine the things that others have said) that there are also some unmistakably racist comments by others. Then there are the alarmists who try to SHOUT IT OUT—OBAMA IS THE ANTICHRIST! OBAMA IS THE ANTICHRIST!—and implicitly condemn to hell those who disagree. There are those who state that the antichrist must be a Black Muslim “because” it is in the Bible (untrue). Still others have an “uneasy” feeling. And, of course, using proper English in an inspirational way is proof positive that he is not one of us. What does this say about Obama? Very little indeed; but it certainly is revealing about the “faith” (not to mention lack of intelligence and Biblical knowledge) of the average “believer” in this nonsense.
I had the same uneasy feeling about Bill Clinton. Well, not exactly. The first time I heard him speak was just before the New Hampshire primary in 1992. If you will recall, he was just one of the “seven dwarves” contending for the nomination. The nasty rumors of sexual infidelity and shady dealings were moving off the pages of the tabloids and into the mainstream media. Within a few minutes, I knew that he would be our next president. I also knew that I would never vote for him; and I never did. But I never conjured up the fantasy that he would be any sort of antichrist—just a con man with a shrewd plan for beating the Republicans at their own game by characterizing himself as a “New Democrat”.
In our country, a man is innocent until PROVEN guilty. Anyone can wear a flag pin or adopt a particular stance to “prove” that he is patriotic. If the antichrist is such a slick dude, why would he not take the trouble to do so? Even Satan and his demons admit that Jesus is the Son of God; and Satan could quote Scripture (with a subtle twist) as well as any of the so-called “Christians” that insist Obama MUST BE THE ANTICHRIST. Yet Obama is vilified for not preaching and teaching that Christ is Lord.
The man is running for the presidency—not the Papacy.
I could care less who anyone votes for or against, but I would remind all of you that God—that would be ALMIGHTY GOD THE FATHER OF JESUS CHRIST—said:
“Thou shalt not bear false witness against thy neighbor.” Exodus 20:16
T-REX:
What kind of egg did you pop out of?
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July 8th, 2008 at 6:50 am
I guess most of you are right but the bible tells us what to look for in this man of course it didn’t say its Obama no more them it said john McCain or really any one in that fact but if we were not to watch for this person or any person then it wouldn’t read to watch you can call this watch any way you like but if you fill its because he’s black or he’s white or he’s half and half then you would be trying to come up with a reason why he couldn’t be that man and he may not be then again he just might be we won’t know until the right time even though I fill he fights like I felt with other’s and was wrong this time it was different
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July 8th, 2008 at 8:11 am
A human egg hermes
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July 8th, 2008 at 11:45 am
Hermes Says:
“In our country, a man is innocent until PROVEN guilty. Anyone can wear a flag pin or adopt a particular stance to “prove” that he is patriotic. If the antichrist is such a slick dude, why would he not take the trouble to do so?”
Is that really true? I mean if everyone is racist? How can that be.
Perhaps he doesn’t know that he is. 1. Yes, as you said anyone can wear a flag pin or particular stance to prove their patriotism. Yet why the wishy washy stance…one minute he won’t wear the american flag pin, now you never see him with out it. 2. Changes and denounces his “mentor” and “friend” of twenty years. Why the back and forth? Or is that just a “typical” politican. as everyone claims OBAMA isn’t!!
1 John 2:22-23
22 Who is the liar but the one who denies that Jesus is the Christ? This is the antichrist, the one who denies the Father and the Son. 23 Whoever denies the Son does not have the Father; the one who confesses the Son has the Father also.
Hermes Says:
It seems to me that you have already judged those who do not accept YOUR INTERPRETATION and MISUNDERSTANDING of God’s Word and found them unworthy to accompany you to Heaven. Frankly, MY God—Jesus’ Father in Heaven—appears to be much bigger than yours, for He has a much more wonderful plan for the salvation of mankind than you seem to envision.
My Lord Jesus Christ has a specific plan for salvation. That is why he gave us all free will. It would be so wonderful if everyone could just go along doing whatever they want with no consequences. Unfortunately, there is a consequence for every action. Your God may be the same one Oprah and Obama and the Trinity Church follow, one world religion, one world peace, good works will get you a pass to heaven. I wish that was so…it would be very easy for everyone to go…but………………………………………………
John 14:6
6 Jesus said to him, “I am the way, and the truth, and the life; no one comes to the Father but through Me.
Perhaps it is YOUR MISUNDERSTANDING AND MISINTERPRETATIONS THAT ARE MISTAKEN OR DELIBERATELY CONFUSED!
John 14:6
6 Jesus said to him, “I am the way, and the truth, and the life; no one comes to the Father but through Me.
Noone is unworthy of Heaven. The Lord loved us all so much that he gave us his only son so that we all could get to heaven.
READ CLOSELY, HERE IS WHERE HE DENIES CHRIST!!
GG: Who’s Jesus to you?
(He laughs nervously)
(Christians do not get nervous when asked about their Lord and Savior, they unflinchingly bear witness to his saving power and grace.)
OBAMA: Right. Jesus is an historical figure for me, and he’s also a bridge between God and man, in the Christian faith, and one that I think is powerful precisely because he serves as that means of us reaching something higher. And he’s also a wonderful teacher. I think it’s important for all of us, of whatever faith, to have teachers in the flesh and also teachers in history.
HISTORICAL FIGURE????? SAY WHAT???? MY LORD IS GOD ALMIGHTY, NOT A HISTORICAL FIGURE? HE REIGNS ABOVE THE HEAVENS AND STARS! HE’S NOT SAY…GEORGE WASHINGTON, OR NAPOLEAN OF HITLER!!!
(Even the demons believe that Jesus is an historical figure, but they are damned! He is the risen, living Lord. Jesus is not “a” bridge in the Christian faith, he is “the” bridge for all who might be saved of all mankind. Jesus is not simply a means of us” reaching higher,” like some motivational speaker. He did not come simply to teach, but to die as a substitute for sinners.)
Hermes says:
Even Satan and his demons admit that Jesus is the Son of God;
You’ve hit the nail on the head. Just because Satan admits it, doesn’t mean he likes it or accepts it, and isn’t imitation the nicest form of flatery????
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July 8th, 2008 at 11:47 am
Ha, get back in touch when he actually says something like “I deny Christ,” then I’ll be much more interested in listening.
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July 8th, 2008 at 11:55 am
the one argument that nobody seems to be bringing up (so i’ll do it for you) is this:
uuuuuuh, obama is not the “anti-christ” because the “anti-christ” is a character in a fictional story made up by cave people.
so, there. fuck all.
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July 8th, 2008 at 4:32 pm
the directive about speculating endlessly over who the anti-Christ is/isn’t is missing from my Bible; where might I find it? when I’m on my death bed I wonder if I’ll be thinking “hmmm, I wish I’d spent more time speculating over who the anti-Christ is?”
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July 8th, 2008 at 7:54 pm
If and when your on your death bed you won’t be wishing that you would of spent more time on reading about the anti-Christ but in stead more time on gods word and what he saids to due in stead of fining all the ways around the bible in stead in the bible I can only speak for my self I maybe wrong about Obama chances are I might be but I am watching looking listening as told to due I wished people would stop and listen what our lord and savior has to say this could go on for ever he is he isn’t at least when Mr truthful was committing people would commit on the things around them the bible has been a book that people have been arguing over for years thy take it all different ways I am no minster I am no Sunday school teacher only a person wishing to learn the meaning of Gods word for a better under standing of the end times we can look around us see all that is happening and come up with all kinds of reasons except the bible it couldn’t be in the bible its this reason its that reason we wish to be leave other things thats why I fill the road to heaven is narrow the road to hell is wide because people won’t be leave in the bible thy don’t want to give up there why of life to follow our lord thats why God gave us a will to be leave or not are choose he’s telling us whats about to happen and how its going to come to pass and its up to us to take it from there if we be leave or we don’t I am no teacher in the word I concerted my self a babe in the word but will not say what he wrote is wrong if any one is wrong it would be me never him the bible saids there will be many come in my name to claim to be me the ones that don’t be leave in him are anti-Christ he said there would be many we are not to follow or to worship them or to take the mark I know theres a few on this site that makes a lot of since some even gave sites to visit I have
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July 8th, 2008 at 9:17 pm
George bush gave a speech to inspire the use of the microchip that wil be put in the back of your right hand or your head on 6/06/06 just like the bible said in the book of revalations
-he from the east and over seas
- wen you add his name up u get a eighteen 18=6+6+6
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July 8th, 2008 at 9:24 pm
Obama seems to like everything europe has done, taxes up, socialist programs, prostitution in most countries, pot in holland, muslims pouring in and causing problems, ect. the antichrist will rise to power there and he will kiss his ass royally as our president.
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July 8th, 2008 at 11:02 pm
also, bush is responsible for many thousands of deaths for a variety of reasons. obama, as far as i know? none.
also, cave people.
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July 8th, 2008 at 11:03 pm
also, i’m anti-christ. does that make me “THE anti-christ?”
can i get a ruling?
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July 9th, 2008 at 6:22 am
TIERNY said:
6 Jesus said to him, “I am the way, and the truth, and the life; no one comes to the Father but through Me.
Perhaps it is YOUR MISUNDERSTANDING AND MISINTERPRETATIONS THAT ARE MISTAKEN OR DELIBERATELY CONFUSED!
John 14:6
6 Jesus said to him, “I am the way, and the truth, and the life; no one comes to the Father but through Me.
Noone is unworthy of Heaven. The Lord loved us all so much that he gave us his only son so that we all could get to heaven.
TIERNEY:
Don’t look now, but you just contradicted yourself (and the Apostle Paul) when you said that no one is unworthy of Heaven.
“For all have sinned, and come short of the glory of God.” Romans 3:23
We are ALL UNWORTHY of Heaven. Why else would we need the sacrifice of the spotless Lamb of God to pay the price for our folly? Good Golly, Miss Molly! When will you realize that no one will be saved or condemned on your timetable?
I repeat this verse: “No man can come to me, except the Father which hath sent me draw him: and I will raise him up at the last day.” John 6:44
When and how anyone comes to Christ is up to God the Father. What you think about a particular person carries no weight with Him—except in His judgment of YOU! If Obama hasn’t come to a full understanding of the Word of God, that puts him in the majority of those who claim to be Christian believers.
And TIERNEY said:
“Or is that just a “typical” politican. as everyone claims OBAMA isn’t!!”
At best, that is all any of you have proven. Which typical politician would you prefer to vote for—Obama, McCain, or none of the above?
And if you want to believe that I believe Obama’s detractors are racist, then you truly are clueless. You don’t have to be racist or believe that Obama is the antichrist in order to vote against him. You are free to vote any way you wish, and I won’t stop you. Neither will God. However, you must admit that any racist that finds his way to this website is more than happy to add fuel to the fire of their fervent desire to keep the white race “pure” and in power to put down the rest of humanity.
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July 9th, 2008 at 11:38 am
No sadly enough, being anti-christ just causes your soul to burn in eternal hell. The ANTICHRIST is the spawn of Satan. Whether you die naturally, or after the rapture, makes no difference. Fortunately, because of the Love of Jesus, you will have another opportunity to accept Christ and not deny him. If you take the mark, you will be damned to hell for all eternoty. Deny the mark, lose you life trying, and your sould will be saved. Free Will. Your Choice?
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July 9th, 2008 at 11:43 am
Since your a nit picker, let me clerify my words….no one person is more unworthy of heaven than another, because Jesus Christ died for ALL OF OUR SINS to be forgiven. If Christ had not been crucified for YOU and ME, yes we would be unworthy. Because there was only one perfect person and he has left the building!
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July 9th, 2008 at 1:17 pm
Please be sure to let us know when someone starts handing out the “mark,” ok?
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July 9th, 2008 at 2:01 pm
don’t get me wrong. i like jesus as a character. he’s a pretty decent guy in that book by cave people. if he had been a real person, he would probably be VERY irritated that people say a lot of dumb, ignorant shit and claim they’re speaking for him.
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familyman Reply:
July 15th, 2008 at 9:08 pm
that is funny you say “if jesus were real” do you watch the history channel? how about the discovery channel? jesus was very real and the son of god. im not going to waste my time trying to convine you i will just say i feel sorry for you.
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DoorFrame Reply:
July 15th, 2008 at 10:34 pm
I’m pretty sure the History Channel didn’t say that Jesus was the son of God.
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July 9th, 2008 at 5:18 pm
TIERNEY:
Why am I not surprised that you believe in a magical escape mechanism called the “Rapture”? Believing in this fantasy is one of the reasons that so many referring to themselves as “good” Christians feel empowered to do so many un-Christian things “in His name”—whether or not they adopt the faddish label of “born again”. Too many Christians have made Christ in their own image so they may forgive themselves.
Winning the Identify-the-Antichrist Sweepstakes does not make anyone a good Christian. It could just be blind luck. Too many are looking for the Antichrist when they still need to find the real Jesus—not some cardboard cut-out representation of what they already believe to be true.
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July 9th, 2008 at 5:29 pm
jbg:
Psalms 111:10 The fear of the LORD is the beginning of wisdom: a good understanding have all they that do his commandments: his praise endureth for ever.
There are plenty of “characters” in this world; Jesus is not one of them, but He has character that is unmatched by any other.
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July 9th, 2008 at 10:16 pm
I sense some unbelief in that Hermes character. Do yuz need me to haul down there and kick some unbelieving arse?
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July 10th, 2008 at 5:02 am
Hey canucklehead! I’m not sure I got the point of that one, although I must admit that I can be quite a character at times.
My point in pointing out that I cannot believe in “THE RAPTURE” is simply this. Only two of God’s witnesses have been judged worthy of escaping death up to this point—Enoch and Elijah. Some would include Moses although it is plainly stated that he died and was buried by the LORD Himself (Deuteronomy 34:5-6). I believe that Enoch and Elijah were preserved as the two witnesses for the LAST DAYS—when they will be killed and rise again in the sight of all mankind.
While finally meeting our Lord face to face will certainly produce a rapturous feeling such as we have never experienced, it makes no sense that millions of Christians will escape a physical death until the VERY end of all that must come to pass. Even so, the only Christians that are guaranteed to still be alive when Christ returns in all Power and Glory will be the 144,000 children of Israel that receive God’s seal of protection enabling them to evangelize the entire world, as well as those few that flee Jerusalem when they see the Abomination of Desolation take place in the rebuilt Temple. This means that the pre-Tribulation or mid-Tribulation rapture that most Christians are looking for to escape persecution will not take place—and they will be very disappointed indeed. Thus, the only possibility of a Rapture will be post-Tribulation.
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July 10th, 2008 at 6:32 am
Arrogant, obnoxious, condescending…..character? Does that describe you?
It would be niave to assume all Christians will escape persecution. Christians have been persecuted since the beginning of time. The word rapture is used to describe the experience. Your “tone” about it being rapturous was condescending at very least….It will be euphoric and wonderful. I for one pray to see the day and moment!
Since you brought it up the Abomination of Desolation may very well be the OBAMA NATION. It could bring Desolation.
The two witnesses and the 144,000 are already here and in place. Time draws near for our Glorious Christ’s return. The 144,000 will be pure. They will be untainted of the ways of the world. They have God’s protection as all of us do that have put on the breastplate of faith and love, and as a helmet, the hope of salvation.
You assume much…not all Christians are looking to escape persecution. Many know that we are in end times and severe persecution and death is just around the corner. That does not deter our faith in the Lord or his plan for salvation.
I Corinthians 15:51-52;
Behold, I show you a mystery; We shall not all sleep, but we shall all be changed,
In a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trump: for the trumpet shall sound, and the dead shall be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed.
II Corinthians 3:18;
But we all, with open face beholding as in a glass the glory of the Lord, are changed into the same image from glory to glory, even as by the Spirit of the Lord.
1 Thess 5:2
For you yourselves know full well the day of the Lord will come, just like a thief in the night. 3: While they are saying, Peace & Safety, then destruction will come upon them suddenly like labor pains upon a woman with child, and they will not escape. 4: But you brethren, are not in the darkness, that the day would overtake you like a thief. 5: For you are all sons of light, sons of day. 8: But since we are the day, let us be sober, having put on the breastplate of faith and love, and as a helmet, the hope of salvation.
1 Thess 4:16
For the Lord himself will descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trumpet of God, and the dead in Christ will rise first. 17: Then we who are alive and remain will be caught up togther with them in the clouds to meet the Lord in the air, and so we shall always be witht he Lord. 18: THEREFORE COMFORT ONE ANOTHER WITH THESE WORDS!
2 Thess 2:1: ….with regard to the Coming of our Lord Jesus Christ, and our gathering together to him. 2: That you not be quickly shaken from your composure or be disturbed either by a spirit, or a message, or a letter…3: Let no one in anyway deceive you, for it will not come unless the apostacy comes first, and the man of lawlessness is revealed, the son of destruction. 7: For the mystery of lawlessness is already at work , only he who now restrains, will do so until he is taekn out of the way. 8: Then the lawlessness one will be revelaed, whom the Lord will slay with the breath of His mouth and bring to an end by the appearancve of his coming….14:…He called you through our Gospel, that you may gain the Glory of the Lord Jesus Christ.
Matthew 24:29, But immediately after the tribulation of those days, The sun will be darkened, and the moon will not give it’s light, and the stars will fall from the sky, and the powers of heavens will be shaken. 30: Then the sign of the Son of Man will appear in the sky, then all the tribes of the earth shall mourn, and they will see ht Son of Man coming on the clouds of the sky with power and great glory. 31: Abd he will send forth his angels with a great trumpet and they will gather together…..
Isaiah 13:6 ….For the Day of the Lord is near.10: For the stars of heaven and their constellations will not flash forth their light; the sun will be dark when is rises, the moon will not shed it’s light. 13: Therefore I wil make the heavens tremble, the earth shall be shaken from it’s place.
So is the final trumpet an asteroid? Earthquake that shakes us to the core, or man made, God allowed?
Door Frame: Don’t worry, when they stamp that mark on your right hand or forehead, you” know it.
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July 10th, 2008 at 7:55 am
“Arrogant, obnoxious, condescending…..character? Does that describe you?”
It certainly seems to describe you as the self-appointed WATCHMAN going to great lengths to prove that I AM NOTHING but a fool.
If you took the time to read what others have written before attempting to discredit them, you will see that I never said ALL Christians are looking to escape persecution. I point out the incontrovertible fact that there are THREE versions of the Rapture—pre-Trib, mid-Trib, and post-Trib. Only one can be the truth. MOST Christians subscribe to one of the first two. I subscribe the third. Furthermore, I never said that we will ALL die a physical death. There will be a few—very few—that remain alive at the LAST TRUMP.
The word rapture does not appear in the Bible. My dictionary defines it as:
1. The state of being transported by a lofty emotion; ecstasy.
2. An expression of ecstatic feeling.
3. The transporting of a person from one place to another, esp. to heaven.
Rapturous is defined as: Filled with great joy or rapture; ecstatic.
THE RAPTURE (definition 3 above) invokes the rapturous feeling implied by definitions 1 & 2. Perhaps you were confused by this wording:
“While finally meeting our Lord face to face will certainly produce a rapturous feeling such as we have never experienced, it makes no sense that millions of Christians will escape a physical death until the VERY end of all that must come to pass.”
Perhaps I made a mistake in assuming that you had enough intelligence to understand what it meant. But then, you still insist that Obama IS the Antichrist, while I contend that he may only BECOME the Antichrist at some later date if—and when—Satan may take possession of his mind, body and soul. Speculation as to who may prove to be the Antichrist before he is revealed by God is a serious distraction from the commission given by Christ to preach the Gospel. The Gospel came from Christ Himself, and is further clarified by His apostles and disciples. The central message has never been the Rapture or the identity of the Antichrist.
“So is the final trumpet an asteroid? Earthquake that shakes us to the core, or man made, God allowed?
Door Frame: Don’t worry, when they stamp that mark on your right hand or forehead, you” know it.”
God only knows what is signified by the final trumpet. Speculate as you will, I have no opinion.
As for the mark of the beast: Where did you get the idea that it will be visible to the naked eye? Revelation 13:16 plainly states that it will be IN the right hand, or IN the forehead. We have already developed the technology to implant RFID chips—with detailed personal information—under the skin.
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July 10th, 2008 at 8:04 am
Titus 3:9 But avoid foolish questions, and genealogies, and contentions, and strivings about the law; for they are unprofitable and vain.
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July 10th, 2008 at 8:16 am
you know what would be great? if stupid people put as much time into research and memorizing facts as they do in researching and memorizing books written by cave people and translated into english by fear-mongering feudal kings. then maybe they wouldn’t be so stupid.
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July 10th, 2008 at 9:41 am
So sad, so sad….I am not trying to prove you are a fool. Your doing a great job all by yourself! I am trying to have an open discussion about thoughts other than your own. Apparently anyone who doesn’t agree with you is incorrect and unintelligent.
Your #515 People are debating?? No there not, anytime someone raises a thought other than yours, you shoot them down in a moment. You do not know your thoughts are anymore correct than mine, your just more brash and arrogant than me.
Luke 21:36
“But keep on the alert at all times, praying that you may have strength to escape all these things that are about to take place, and to stand before the Son of Man.”
Obama may be the antichrist. Maybe it is your superior intelligence that cannot read between the lines.
ONLY PEOPLE WHO SUSPECT HE MAY BE THE ANTICHRIST ARE RACIST!!
Yes, but when you accept the mark, you must knowlingly accept that it is Satan’s mark.
Rev 13:16
16 And he causes all, the small and the great, and the rich and the poor, and the free men and the slaves, to be given a mark on their right hand or on their forehead
Do you really belive what your wrote…..
MY God—Jesus’ Father in Heaven—appears to be much bigger than yours, for He has a much more wonderful plan for the salvation of mankind than you seem to envision.
Because it certainly doesn’t sound like it? My God tells us where the mark will be. My God is not going to allow Satan to deceive people about their salvation, without giving them the eanswers in the bible. Incidently was not written by cavemen! The Lord clearly states it in Rev 13;16 where the mark will be. If you knowinlgy accept the mark, then your soul is damned to hell for eternity.
Don’t shoot the messenger.
Perhaps I made a mistake in assuming that you had enough intelligence to understand what it meant.
Your had no problem telling flybird he wasn’t dumb, yet you have no problem insulting my intelligence on several occasions, yet when I responded to you, you became antagonistic and hostile, doesn’t sound very christian like does it?
The name of this blog.thread is Obama the Antichrist? I didn’t start it and I wasn’t the only one thinking it, like the other 34,400 sites. Go ahead shoot that down too@!@!!!
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July 10th, 2008 at 10:19 am
Tierny I not good with words or how to put them Ive read what you wrote not just this one but ones up above I think I am starting to under stand a little more if you could tell some more places in the bible that I could look up I would I want to under stand this the right way not the wrong way its some thing I fill I need to know
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July 10th, 2008 at 11:28 am
I will gladly tell you anything I know. I am not highly educated. I have attended chuch and bible study since I was a youngin.
I speak from my heart. The Lord has tald me to be a “watchman”.
Luke 21:36
“But keep on the alert at all times, praying that you may have strength to escape all these things that are about to take place, and to stand before the Son of Man.”
I did not appoint myself to this position. Believe me, life was simpler for me when I wasn’t on the constant watch. When I felt like I didn’t have to tell everyone to we watchful. End times are here. Christ is coming for his beautiful bride and is preparing a wedding feast for all. Christ is excited to be claiming his bride. As we all should be.
Times are bad. The housing market, gas, unemployment, fires, floods, earthquakes, these are only the beginning of birth pangs…we must tell everyone to accept the Lord Jesus as their personal saviour.
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Signs of Christ’s Return
Matthew 24
1 Jesus came out from the temple and was going away when His disciples came up to point out the temple buildings to Him. 2 And He said to them, “Do you not see all these things? Truly I say to you, not one stone here will be left upon another, which will not be torn down.”
3 As He was sitting on the Mount of Olives, the disciples came to Him privately, saying, “Tell us, when will these things happen, and what will be the sign of Your coming, and of the end of the age?”
4 And Jesus answered and said to them, “See to it that no one misleads you. 5 “For many will come in My name, saying, ‘I am the Christ,’ and will mislead many. 6 “You will be hearing of wars and rumors of wars. See that you are not frightened, for those things must take place, but that is not yet the end. 7 “For nation will rise against nation, and kingdom against kingdom, and in various places there will be famines and earthquakes. 8 “But all these things are merely the beginning of birth pangs.
9 “Then they will deliver you to tribulation, and will kill you, and you will be hated by all nations because of My name. 10 “At that time many will fall away and will betray one another and hate one another. 11 “Many false prophets will arise and will mislead many. 12 “Because lawlessness is increased, most people’s love will grow cold. 13 “But the one who endures to the end, he will be saved. 14 “This gospel of the kingdom shall be preached in the whole world as a testimony to all the nations, and then the end will come.
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July 10th, 2008 at 8:19 pm
TIERNEY:
As I said before, you do not really take the trouble to read what others have written before you start throwing Bible verses at them “proving” that you are the ONE AND ONLY WATCHMAN (supposedly appointed by God Himself) who has branded Obama as the Antichrist.
You have merged my remarks and conflated my beliefs with those of others—implying that I believe anyone who opposes Obama to be racist or that I dismiss the Rapture entirely. I merely stated that there are racists who have posted on this blog, and they are quite happy to have Obama condemned for his candidacy. I have stated that the predominate belief in the Rapture held by MOST Christians calls for a pre-Trib or mid-Trib Rapture whisking away anyone who professes to believe in Jesus before Satan can take full control of all governments. I believe that those who will experience the Rapture will have to wait until the LAST TRUMP—when the only thing left are the vials of God’s wrath which are poured out in a fairly rapid succession. It will not take three and a half years for God to dispatch the armies of Satan.
You can quote all the Scripture you want to prove that the Antichrist will make his appearance soon, but so can Satan—and you still haven’t provided a shred of evidence to prove that Obama is THE ONE! Yes, the US is a powerful nation that has the ability to destroy many nations with our advanced weaponry, and ALL THE NATIONS will be gathered against Israel at the end. This is all readily apparent to any Christian, but it proves nothing concerning Obama. Cute wordplay does not do the trick (Abomination/Obama nation); neither does numerology employing 2nd grade arithmetic (6+6+6=18=the number of letters in Obama’s full name) used on modern names in the English language.
Now, I can admit that I can be wrong in some ways. I do not present myself as a prophet, and I have never been regarded as a saint—although my wife has sometimes called me “Patron Saint of Lost Causes”. What I do know is that people have been “identifying” the Antichrist ever since the Bible was written, and so far they have been wrong. Someone is bound to get it right someday, but it is not necessarily you. And what does God’s word have to say about those who engage in false accusations and vain pronouncements?
I judge no one, but ask for proof. What is so arrogant about pointing out that you have provided none? Where is the proof that the Antichrist will be a future President of the US? Where is the proof that he will be a political/military leader and not a religious leader who is regarded as a prophet before he declares himself to be Christ? Where is the proof that most Evangelicals are wrong in their assumption that the one we are supposed to be watching for comes from the European Union? There are plenty of indications that the Antichrist’s seat of power will be in a reconstituted Holy Roman Empire. There is every possibility that the next president—whether Obama, McCain, or a desperate “War-time President” who doesn’t want to relinquish his “throne”—will be one of the Kings of the Earth that lend their support to the Antichrist.
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July 10th, 2008 at 9:45 pm
parody, Herm, it’s all about parody; I was tongue-in-cheek upbraiding you for not buying into what TYRANNY is saying about the blessed bail-out, cop-out, check-out, whatever…
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July 11th, 2008 at 5:04 am
I’m sorry canucklehead. I didn’t mean to imply that you were criticizing me in my dialogue with the “watchman”. I may appreciate the Canadian sense of humor, but I am sometimes a little slow in getting the point.
Now, Mr. Watchman. I have a few questions. When were you appointed by God? Where were you while the spirit of antichrist was hard at work setting us up for a big fall? Did you warn of the folly in arming the Islamic world to fight Godless Communism? Did you warn us that a pre-emptive war was a denial of the Gospel of Christ, and sure to lead this nation to the brink of bankruptcy? Where were you when the “Born Again Compassionate Conservative” candidate for president in 2000 declared Jesus Christ to be his favorite “philosopher”—only to steal the election so he could lead this country down the path of destruction? Why have you not pointed out that Neo-Conservative Christians have done little or nothing to eliminate abortion other than make a lot of noise with gaudy displays of their “reverence” for the lives of the unborn while ignoring the fate of those born to mothers either unwilling or unable to provide for their well-being?
It seems to me that a watchman who specifically warns of a particular “enemy” while allowing others to weaken the country to the point of collapse is a poor steward of his responsibilities.
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July 11th, 2008 at 9:03 am
watch·man /ˈwɒtʃmən/ [woch-muhn]
–noun, plural -men. 1. a person who keeps guard over a building at night, to protect it from fire, vandals, or thieves.
2. (formerly) a person who guards or patrols the streets at night.
I truly wish that I could have been more fortuitive during all the situations that you OBVIOUSLY disagree with and ellaborated on. My watchman duties have only recently begun. Callings come at all different phases of life. Besides, what worth is my watch if I can’t get the alarm out in time? With so many doubting hermes. Yet I know that I must continue to sound the alarm. If one person hears my message and accepts the Lord Jesus Christ as their personal saviour, then I have succeeeded in my mission. I never said or implied that I am the “one and only” watchman. I don’t believe The Lord thinks that would very effective. Many Christians are coming forward to tell of their message. Becasue time draw nears and the sense of urgency is great! Again, if one person listens enough to receive the Lord Jesus then we accept this as one more battle won.
I will leave you with one more scripture….
Luke 21:36
36 “But keep on the alert at all times, praying that you may have strength to escape all these things that are about to take place, and to stand before the Son of Man.”
God Bless The USA and Israel
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July 12th, 2008 at 1:17 am
TIERNY ~
I this is whom Jesus said is blessed…
1Now when he saw the crowds, he went up on a mountainside and sat down. His disciples came to him,
2and he began to teach them saying:
3″Blessed are the poor in spirit,
for theirs is the kingdom of heaven.
4Blessed are those who mourn,
for they will be comforted.
5Blessed are the meek,
for they will inherit the earth.
6Blessed are those who hunger and thirst for righteousness,
for they will be filled.
7Blessed are the merciful,
for they will be shown mercy.
8Blessed are the pure in heart,
for they will see God.
9Blessed are the peacemakers,
for they will be called sons of God.
10Blessed are those who are persecuted because of righteousness,
for theirs is the kingdom of heaven.
11″Blessed are you when people insult you, persecute you and falsely say all kinds of evil against you because of me.
12Rejoice and be glad, because great is your reward in heaven, for in the same way they persecuted the prophets who were before you.
That sounds like a little more than the USA and Israel. Do you not believe what Jesus said?
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July 12th, 2008 at 1:18 am
Sorry…
That should read “I think this is whom Jesus said is blessed…”
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July 12th, 2008 at 1:29 am
BTW…I have a broken clock. Can I take that to a watchman or do I need to find a clockman? Also I’m thinking of a career change. Do watchmen usually get free dental and medical benefits? Does it require any type of certification or degree or can anyone call themselves a watchman?
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July 12th, 2008 at 11:41 am
leave israel outta this. we got enough fucking problems as it is, thank you very much.
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July 12th, 2008 at 10:04 pm
Luke 21:36
36 “But keep on the alert at all times, praying that you may have strength to escape all these things that are about to take place, and to stand before the Son of Man.”
Watchman:
There is the crux of the matter. All Christians should always be on guard. I am sorry that I had to throw you a couple of curve balls, but you proved that you could handle it.
You have been tested and done well. I find you to be honest, sincere and well versed in the Word of God. While it has yet to be proven that Obama will be the Antichrist, it is fair to say that he is most likely to win the election. And the next president will certainly play a role in Satan’s plan.
Now, do you know what the unforgivable sin is? Please be aware that you are in a most precarious position as a watchman and faithful servant of our Lord. May God’s Holy Spirit be with you and speak through you at the proper time.
Eggman:
Thank you for posting one my favorite parts of the Bible. It is too bad that so many Christians today do not heed these words.
I want to thank everyone for a most interesting dialogue. My work is done here. May God bless you all as He sees fit.
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flybird Reply:
July 16th, 2008 at 2:40 pm
Gods work is never done theres always souls to be reached words to be said bible to be learned all the way though these times
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July 13th, 2008 at 7:02 am
I forgot to include these links, which may be of interest to concerned Christians:
http://www.thetrumpet.com/index.php?page=book&id=1189
http://www.keyway.ca/htm2000/20000602.htm
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July 13th, 2008 at 7:07 am
Yes I don’t fill Gods work is never done theres always some one out there that don’t know a lot about the end times what to watch for because it saids to watch and not to be Cought a sleep When I was young I was rasied in the church lived with my grand mother she was a Sunday school teacher then I lived with others thy were catholic I was never a loud to read the book of revelations that was a book not for are time I was told then when I was 20 I met this one person named sue we became like sisters we had the same a mount of kids two girls two boys are husbands worked at the same place lived next door to each other from then till now who I live with now her family I cought her reading revelations I told her your not to read that book its forbidding she said no its not your subpost to read that I was shocked I wasn’t so sure about that in time I got the nerve up to read it I’ve really never put it down thats what I read don’t really understand a lot but try to wanted to ask a question remember its coming from me I keep reading some thing that I really don’t under stand these are me words you can’t get to heaven unless God calls you as his own then you will get the gift of the holy spirit I was always tought that you prayed asked God for forgiveness and mean it then your saved tried the best you can to follow his ways get baptize so you call enter heaven because your sub post to be theres a book in heaven that has everyones name in it its the book of life if your name isn’t in it then I was told you don’t go to heaven if God already knowns who and who will not follow him then why go through the tribulation if he already knows that is bothering me
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July 13th, 2008 at 7:13 pm
The antichrist will lull people into thinking he is a messiah of change. he will work miracles and do things that will further peoples belief he is god in the flesh. The world is prime for a superhuman to come on the scene and fix global warming, the energy crisis, econony, and bring global peace. What he will bring is a one world religion(all worshiping him), one currency, and one goverment ruling the earth. Whoever wins the election will half to deal with this satanic force spreading over all nations. God help us if the antichrist comes from our nation. Especially one who has power to get so many to believe he is the last and only hope of change. Obama is scary and may plunge this nation into chaos which could make it easier for the Antichrist to rule the earth.
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flybird Reply:
July 16th, 2008 at 2:38 pm
I agree if he isn’t the anti-Christ then he for sure will turn this country over to him but first I fill some thing has to make us so unstable that we would just about be on are knees to due that
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July 14th, 2008 at 7:04 am
Well, I thought that I was done here, but I see that some of y’all still have a trouble dealing with the tunnel vision that locks you in on a particular target and leaves you open to a blind-side attack.
The spirit of Antichrist has been at work since Adam and Eve were first created. Satan first tried to pollute the hereditary lineage of Jesus to prevent His conception and birth. Then he tried to kill our Lord while He was still an infant. When Jesus was baptized and began His ministry to the lost and forgotten, Satan attempted to use his tried and true methods of temptation to deter Jesus from following the will of His Father in Heaven. When all else failed, he had Jesus crucified in the hope that this would convince people that He was not God in the flesh.
When Jesus rose from the dead, Satan began propagating the lie that the Jews stole Jesus’ lifeless body to deceive the world. That Devil, the father of lies and deception, has been hard at work ever since polluting the Gospel with traditions of men and destroying those that followed the Word of God. He has created false religions and false interpretations of the Bible. He fostered confusion amongst those who would call themselves Christian by raising up wolves in sheep’s clothing to lead their followers astray. Rather than one faith in Jesus Christ, we have dozens of denominations and sects professing to be only true Church of God and Jesus Christ.
Follow the links, and you will see that there is a whole lot more to worry about than Barack Obama and the possibility of his election to the highest office this land has to offer:
http://newworldorderinfo.com/
http://www.hereinreality.com/news/rand.html
http://www.alternet.org/audits/83910/
http://www.thetrumpet.com/index.php?page=book&id=1189
http://www.keyway.ca/htm2000/20000602.htm
John 14:6 Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me.
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July 14th, 2008 at 9:14 am
The Unpardonable Sin
30 “He who is not with Me is against Me; and he who does not gather with Me scatters.
31 “Therefore I say to you, any sin and blasphemy shall be forgiven people, but blasphemy against the Spirit shall not be forgiven. 32 “Whoever speaks a word against the Son of Man, it shall be forgiven him; but whoever speaks against the Holy Spirit, it shall not be forgiven him, either in this age or in the age to come.
Thank you for your blessings. I need all I can get!
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July 14th, 2008 at 9:21 am
Matthew 12:30-32
There is the crux of the matter. All Christians should always be on guard!!!!!!!
While it has yet to be proven that Obama will be the Antichrist, it is fair to say that he is most likely to win the election. And the next president will certainly play a role in Satan’s plan.
God help us if the antichrist comes from our nation. Especially one who has power to get so many to believe he is the last and only hope of change. Obama is scary and may plunge this nation into chaos which could make it easier for the Antichrist to rule the earth.
If he is not the antichrist, he will usher us to him.
He will win the election.
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July 14th, 2008 at 2:55 pm
Now we have come closer to the truth. However, you still are a little too focused on Obama. The fact is that most of the politicians in both major parties have been corrupted by the “LOVE OF MONEY” and have no interest in fulfilling their Constitutional duties. They are obsessed with their image and too focused on their own bottom line. Those that have attained higher office often become drunk with the power they gain and desire more of the same. It will not matter where Obama’s heart is in the grand scheme of things. If he has not already been compromised and cannot be controlled by the “invisible government” that is really in control, the powers that be will do their best to marginalize him and destroy his effectiveness by any means available—up to and including assassination. It has been done before, and it can happen again.
Here is where the committed Christian has to be most careful that he will not commit the unforgivable sin. This where the temptation to deny the Holy Spirit is strongest—when we are at our weakest physically and most vulnerable emotionally.
Matthew 10:16-19
Behold, I send you forth as sheep in the midst of wolves: be ye therefore wise as serpents, and harmless as doves.
But beware of men: for they will deliver you up to the councils, and they will scourge you in their synagogues;
And ye shall be brought before governors and kings for my sake, for a testimony against them and the Gentiles.
But when they deliver you up, take no thought how or what ye shall speak: for it shall be given you in that same hour what ye shall speak.
Also: Mark 13:11
But when they shall lead you, and deliver you up, take no thought beforehand what ye shall speak, neither do ye premeditate: but whatsoever shall be given you in that hour, that speak ye: for it is not ye that speak, but the Holy Ghost.
People, there is much more to worry about than Obama, McCain or anyone who serves as a front man for Satan. Anyone who reads Revelation already knows what must come to pass before we see our Lord return. Rather than try to stop it by accusations and idle speculations, follow the way of Christ.
Matthew 5:16-20
Let your light so shine before men, that they may see your good works, and glorify your Father which is in heaven.
Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfill.
For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled.
Whosoever therefore shall break one of these least commandments, and shall teach men so, he shall be called the least in the kingdom of heaven: but whosoever shall do and teach them, the same shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven.
For I say unto you, That except your righteousness shall exceed the righteousness of the scribes and Pharisees, ye shall in no case enter into the kingdom of heaven.
All has been written; all will be done. We are not here to create Heaven on Earth so that we may hand the Keys to the Kingdom to Christ when He returns. That is the way of those misguided souls that helped to elect George Bush and led us to war. The die is cast; we have been set on a collision course with the perfect storm of Holy War conducted by the three monotheistic religions that sprung from the loins of Abraham. This is the deception of Satan that everyone believes he has the only true religion behind him and an exclusive right to speak for God.
God has done quite well in speaking for Himself. All we need to do is listen to what He has said and heed His warning. We cannot save anyone—not even ourselves—if we believe that we have all the answers. If you want the right answer, you have to ask the right question.
Ephesians 6:12
For we wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this world, against spiritual wickedness in high places.
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July 16th, 2008 at 4:00 pm
I know that I have been all over the board with my comments. My objective has been to get y’all to think for yourselves, rather than reinforce baseless “suspicions” of others to justify your uneasiness with the current state of world affairs. As I have said most recently, “there is much more to worry about than Obama, McCain or anyone who serves as a front man for Satan”. The Antichrist is merely the culmination of Satan’s evil plan to pollute our minds and turn us against God. Judging by the way this world is going, he has done a bang-up job of it.
Did any of you follow these links to see how bad things really are?
http://newworldorderinfo.com/
http://www.hereinreality.com/news/rand.html
http://www.alternet.org/audits/83910/
http://www.thetrumpet.com/index.php?page=book&id=1189
http://www.keyway.ca/htm2000/20000602.htm
Satan is perfectly happy to have people speculate on the identity of the Antichrist because he knows that there is nothing anyone can do to prevent his ascension to power. If you are wrong about whom it is, then you have accused someone falsely. If you are right, then the only thing that you can do is go along to get along or resist and expose yourself to persecution. Meanwhile, he has stolen your peace and joy along the way, and quite possibly your salvation in Jesus Christ.
Why do I say this? Well, while you have been focused on trying to identify the Antichrist, you have lost your focus on the REAL Christ. I have tried to make the point that we should ALWAYS be on guard—not just for the Antichrist, but also for any error in our own lives. We should watch and wait on the Lord, and we should be ready to explain to others why we believe that He is the ONLY ONE that can and will save us from our sins and from those who would lead us astray from the Word of God.
Honestly, if Obama doesn’t qualify for the job of Antichrist, there are plenty of others standing in line to take his place.
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July 16th, 2008 at 4:04 pm
BTW, get ready for an October surprise.
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July 17th, 2008 at 8:32 am
It’s actually August.
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July 17th, 2008 at 2:24 pm
Frankly, my friend, you haven’t got a clue.
Actually September 29, 2008—or thereabouts—may prove to be a “turning point” in this particular phase of His Story of SALVATION!!! It’s the story of a nation that preserved Liberty and Justice for all that heard the call and didn’t fall for the Siren Call of Texas Hold’Em and Bluff Your Way to a BIGGER PAYDAY (with Golden Opportunities Lost, whatever the cost to society).
Oh, well. Can’t you see that more is the pity in our silly self-pity?
The Saints BE RAISED! LET THEM BE PRAISED!!
For Understanding and Withstanding the Error of Terror when
THE VICTORY HAS BEEN WON BY THE ONLY BEGOTTEN SON OF GOD!!!
You will see, eventually, the harsh reality of the poisonous fruit sold by
“politically savvy” political clones of:
“ALL I HAVE IS WHAT I OWN”
And So, So, Ever So many of us want to OWN THE MICROPHONE!!!
Come on now, admit it. Can’t, you see that we all want to be at center stage when “what will be, will be?” Well, fare thee well, my friend. I leave thee to see that ever since God created all that is seen and unseen in this Uniquely Unique Universe of Unconditional Peace, Love and Goodwill Toward Men, Women and Children of All Races, Creeds and Colors:
EVERYONE has been FAMILY UNTIL they decided that I AM NOT!!!
Please allow me to say that I Hope and Pray to be one to
SEE THE DAY OF THE LORD!!!
I believe that I may have posted this before on another blog called God’s Politics:
One point that I have tried to make, although I haven’t exactly spelled it out in detail, is that extremism of any stripe in politics (Ultra-Liberal Democrats and Neo-Conservative Republicans) or religion (hard-line, fundamentalist Christians, Muslims, and Jews) is counter-productive to reconciling “differences” of opinion or belief.
As a Christian, I believe that there is “none other name under heaven given among men, whereby we must be saved.” Most Christians believe that this means acceptance of Jesus Christ in the here and now, and that is certainly the best choice of all. However, if that is the only chance one has to accept Him as Lord and Savior, then all who have ever lived would have had the same opportunity to hear the truth from earliest childhood.
At the risk of incurring the wrath of radical “warriors for Christ”, I will say that God is very logical and practical in making provision for all to see the “error of their ways”—eventually. This is the whole point of the Millennium. There are those who will say there is no such thing, since the word itself does not appear in the Bible. But the term is merely an English word that literally means a thousand years.
Revelation 20:6 plainly states: “Blessed and holy is he that hath part in the first resurrection: on such the second death hath no power, but they shall be priests of God and of Christ, and shall reign with him a thousand years.”
Reign over whom, if not those who have not yet overcome?
Now, let us proceed to the subject at hand. There is nothing wrong in principle with “faith-based initiatives”, but there is always the danger of compromising the Gospel of Christ whenever religion and politics work together on anything at all. It is the responsibility of Christians to see that they remain true to their faith, but this does not preclude making use of government programs to assist in their mission to feed the hungry and clothe the naked. If government is exerting undue influence in religious matters through these programs, we can always opt out of them. After all, don’t churches enjoy tax-exemptions for purely religious uses of their assets? And don’t they have to relinquish those exemptions when they stick their noses into politics?
I have great respect for most traditional conservative views on social policy, but I am often dismayed by the radically divisive strategy and tactics employed by the most politically active Christian “Conservatives” in making their point through ostentatious displays of their piety and “reverence” for life while allowing people to suffer the daily deprivation and denigration heaped upon the least of these—even as they whine “it’s MY money” when talking about taxes.
When Jesus held up the Roman coin in Matthew 22:21, Mark 12:17, and Luke 20:25 and said that we should render unto Caesar the things that are Caesar’s, and to God the things that are God’s, He made no mention of what is ours. The fact is that ALL of “our” money belongs to the government, in that it is a medium of exchange to facilitate commerce and trade by assigning a common denominator to determine the relative value of goods and services.
On abortion: It is my fervent desire to see the end to this barbaric disregard for human life. However, I cannot in good conscience support a ban on the practice unless and until we begin to take care of the children we have. Too many self-righteous Christians would force women to have babies that they cannot or will not care for once they are born—only to then abandon their fate to the vicissitudes of life by shredding the “social safety net” that everyone seems to think is too generous.
Why accuse the poor of being lazy and stupid when we can’t figure out how to give them a dollar’s worth of assistance without spending ten to deliver it? We waste more money trying to deny anyone aid out of the fear of giving someone something he doesn’t deserve through intricate mazes of rules, regulations, and procedures that constantly change at a such a pace that even the most knowledgeable cannot remain fully informed of what is required of others to qualify for our compassion and mercy.
The fact is that our secular Constitutional government forbids the establishment of a national religion, and guarantees the free exercise of one’s particular faith in good conscience with respect for the rights of others. Thus we have no right to pronounce “thus saith the Lord” in pursuing a particular political agenda. If we wish to “ban” abortion politically, then we must first seek to have the fetus declared fully human, if not fully developed, with all the rights to life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness. And we need to keep religion out of it, if we expect anyone else to listen to our reasoning. There is such a thing as morality—although no salvation—without Christ.
Ten Principles for the Secular World
1. There must be a purpose to life, if one is to survive and thrive.
2. This purpose should be the guiding principle of one’s thoughts, words, and deeds.
3. Hypocrisy is a heresy to humanity and an abomination to mankind.
4. Everyone needs (at least) one day of rest each week to contemplate:
The Past, The Present and The Future.
5. As imperfect as they may be, one’s elders have the “wisdom of years” of experience. They have often “been there and done that” and not found it worth the trouble.
6. Don’t kill; and don’t look for an excuse to call it “self-defense”.
7. Honesty is the best policy in matrimony or “civil unions”.
8. Don’t steal. It’s just not fair—to rich or poor.
9. Don’t lie about others; it’s bad enough to lie about oneself.
10. Don’t be jealous of others’ success in this ephemeral lifetime of seeking the sublime. They may actually deserve it (as improbable as that may seem in today’s world).
But why should it matter for your life?
That’s really up to you—
Isn’t it?
PS—Please excuse my ignorance of HTML or whatever they may call it these days. I would love to be a little more “stylish” in my comments.
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July 17th, 2008 at 6:28 pm
“BTW…I have a broken clock. Can I take that to a watchman or do I need to find a clockman?…”
I sense a spirit of unsubmissiveness in that Egg guy and accordingly sentence him to listen, non-stop, to 343 hours of John Hagee sermons crying out “Selah” everytime Hagee mentions Israel
All in favor.
Then it’s agreed!
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July 18th, 2008 at 10:53 pm
A likely candidate? You decide.
Born in 1503, Nostradamus gave the three names of the antichrist which he believed would come to power.
Nostradamus purposely played with proper names both in his time and in his predictions to avoid persecution and had more than one assassination attempt on his life.
He regularly morphed names to include a hint of the region or timeline of the person he was speaking about. You may validate these statements by looking up the original Nostradamus quatrains here.
The first Anti-Christ Nostradamus named was Napaulon Roy, decades before Napoleon was born. Roy is the French word for “King”. Napoleon was responsible for millions of deaths. The Book of Revelations also refers to Napoleon by name here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Apollyon
The second Anti-Christ Nostradamus named Hister, hundreds of years before Hitler was born. Hister is the Latin name for the River Danube on whose shores Hitler was born. Hitler was responsible for over 60 million deaths.
The third and final Anti-Christ Nostradamus named was Mabus, who would rise to power in the first or second decade of the 21st century, (2000 -2020).
The Bible states that the Anti-Christ of the end of days will destroy one third of the world and its population.
Osama + Bush = OsaMABUSh
Obama, born of a Muslim father and an atheist mother, later attends a blasphemist Christian church and publicly states that he refuses to wear the American Flag lapel pin, an action he later regrets.
http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/Story?id=3690000&page=1
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,299439,00.html
What does the Bible say? The Anti Christ is a Uniter. He is a man of many allegiances. He is the Black Sheep. He is deeply inspiring and popular. He comes to power in the last days. He floats on the desperation of the masses. He demands Change. He is a gifted speaker. He is brilliant. He is young. He seeks power. He is the Great Deceiver.
Multiple news agencies have reported that many Barack followers seem obsessed, hypnotized, crazed, crying, ill and fainting.
Where did Barack Obama come from?
He was almost unknown until 2007 and has no major leadership or speaking background other than that of a small time senator.
Revelation Verse 3 says that all the world wondered after the beast.
No one in American history has drawn a crowd even remotely compared to the numbers of those by Barack Obama including Ronald Reagan, John F. Kennedy, Robert Kennedy and Martin Luther King combined.
“This is bigger than Kennedy. . . . This is the New Testament.”
– Chris Matthews – MSNBC
Headlines:
Barack Obama rallied a frenzied, overflow crowd at KeyArena today
‘Rock star’ Obama in the land of Lincoln
God-Like Obama Wins 2 More
Obama pre-caucus rally draws huge crowd
Obama’s “Rock Star Presence”
Huge crowd for Obama
Obama’s Rock-Star Reception In California
Obama Gets Rock Star Treatment in Iowa — Political Wire
Huge Crowd Lines Up to See Obama
MaineToday.com | News Update: Obama takes Yarmouth, Cape; huge …
Obama takes Yarmouth, Cape; huge crowd at Portland caucus
Obama’s crowd runneth over
Obama spoke Thursday to a huge crowd in New Orleans
WCSH6.com – Obama Draws Huge Crowd In Bangor
Obama Wins Big in SC, Draws Huge Crowd in Birmingham
‘Rock star’ Obama attracts a large crowd
Barack Obama visited Ohio – Huge Crowd
Senator Obama draws large crowd to Cass County Fairgrounds
Obama Draws Large Crowd at College Rally – washingtonpost.com
‘This is our time,’ Obama declares to Beach crowd
Mark 5:9 “And [Jesus] asked him, What is thy name? And he answered, saying, My name is Legion: for we are many.”
Obama’s official bumper sticker: “Out of many, we are one”
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Hermes Reply:
July 19th, 2008 at 6:54 am
OK! We finally have some kind of intelligent discourse on the matter who (or what) will BECOME the Antichrist! While someone has to fulfill that role, it is still open for audition—if you please. It is fairly obvious that one such as Barack Obama would have wide appeal; at least on the surface, he appears to be diametrically opposed to anything and everything that brought us to a moment of truth that we never wanted to face in our lifetime.
But I would remind you that George Bush took over the reins of our government at a time when we were riding high in the sky of hog heaven. He quickly gave the “fat of the land” to the FAT OF THE LAND! Secure in His Position as the “Decider” with a secure, encrypted, direct pipeline to God Almighty (by virtue of his born again status as a recovering alcoholic), he then turned a man hunt into a manly hunt for relevance in this world.
Yes! OF COURSE!! Barack Obama could easily become the one and only ANTICHRIST of All!!!
Didn’t God warn US of this day? And what is the way to save the Day of the Lord?
Simply this:
The Program of Life
The Bible is a Program:
Full of Life Edifying,
Written by Life Eternal,
Given for Life Everlasting.
It is the Key to finding Humility
Amidst the False Pride in Humanity.
Without God, nothing would exist—either spiritual, or material. There would be no good or evil, or anything in between—if, indeed, there were anything between spiritual and material, good and evil. Just who is to define the parameters of life and refine the lessons of life but God Himself—God Almighty—Maker of Heaven and Earth and of ALL things, both visible and invisible?
Jesus Christ had a temper. It was amply displayed on more than one occasion when confronted by hypocrites. Since He was God in the flesh, He never really lost control of His temper; but He made it very clear that the “moral” authorities of His day were headed for Hell and He became somewhat enraged by the moneychangers in His Father’s Temple. He didn’t CONDEMN anyone for his or her sins; He would never usurp His Father’s authority. But He had only scorn for ignorance of the fact that “all have sinned and come short of the Glory of God” (Romans 3:23).
There is no denying He considered us all worth dying for—if we could only BELIEVE. His ultimate sacrifice opened the door to anyone with the price of admission (the admission of guilt and shame) and a burning desire in one’s heart for His Way and His Father’s Will—which are one and the same—to be the way of each new day. To guide us in our walk through life, He left us a blueprint for Christian living in the Sermon on the Mount (Matthew: Chapters 5-7).
He gave greater meaning and purpose to the Ten Commandments and focused their life-sustaining power upon the two core principles of a life worth living after all is said and done:
And Jesus answered him, “The first of all the commandments is, Hear, O Israel; The Lord our God is one Lord:
And thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy mind, and with all thy strength” this is the first commandment.
And the second is like; namely this, Thou shalt love thy neighbor as thyself. There is none other commandment greater than these.”
(Mark 12:29-31)
Those who truly love THE LAW do not view it as a tool of control over others, but a means of personal redemption—insofar as God may allow us to believe that we have any way of redeeming ourselves. The hard truth is that there is no redemption without His Grace and Mercy. May God have mercy on those who think otherwise.
Osama + Bush = OsaMABUSh
I would be interested to know how you came up with Obama from Osama + Bush. It seems to me that you have gone a bit too far in your inferences.
No one IS the Antichrist UNTIL HE BECOMES THE ANTICHRIST!
It is still possible that there will not be an election. Anything can happen in today’s world of deciders and easy riders. And, of course, it is still quite possible that Obama could be your “worst fear come true” for America and not be the Antichrist that controls him—as well as the rest of us that may “go along to get along”.
As Dick Cheney has said—most succinctly—in a moment of self-satisfied smugness:
“So?”
And I say, “So, what? He got his reward. We look forward to a new day and a new way!”
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July 19th, 2008 at 8:07 am
i would venture to say that it is fundamentally impossible to have any kind of “intelligent discourse” on any matters regarding anything called an “anti-christ.”
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Hermes Reply:
July 19th, 2008 at 1:26 pm
Actually, much of the locker room talk has been eliminated of late. And I would venture to say that some people have presented evidence that is not patently false rumor and innuendo. I’m not sure how much more intelligent it may be, but at least it is more civil.
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DoorFrame Reply:
July 19th, 2008 at 1:39 pm
A few of the rowdier participants have been banned. I suspect that may have had an impact.
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July 19th, 2008 at 1:33 pm
Hey everybody out there!
Obama is the Anti-Christ and I totally agree!
But the Anti-Christ is not stupid!!
Nope not so stupid as to deny Christ right
now or right away!
And he is not so stupid as to blaspheme God
right now or right away!!
But its coming! Because the smart thing for him
to do is to at least wait until he gets elected to
be President before he denies Christ and blasphemes
God! Doesn’t that make sense!!
Cause he is not going to blow his cover
right now!! At least not his full cover!!
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July 19th, 2008 at 1:44 pm
I must say that I agaree with most of comment
number 636!!
BUT I heard on a religious show that there will be no Anti-Christ
that will rule the whole world!! But I am not sure if this is true or
false!!
But I do think that the Anti-Christ will have something to do
with the Mystery Babylon that the Bible makes us aware of!!
And If America is the New Babylon or the Mystery Babylon, then
I think that the U.N. will definitely play a big part in things!!
But still can’t figure out how has America helped to kill
prophets or saints or disciples of Jesus Christ!
And still can’t figure out how America is a place that all
or of the Kings of the earth has committed fornication with!
So my question is what Kings!! And what type of fornication
is the Bible talking about! Could it be spiritual fornication
or natural fornication!!
Now all of this stuff is found in Rev. 17 but it is hard
to grasp what its really saying!! But I think an Anti-Christ
is also discussed in this Chapter!!
I am a Writer and will probably be coming back to this
rumors site from time to time!!
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Hermes Reply:
July 19th, 2008 at 7:48 pm
Hi, Apple Pie! Welcome to our party!! Excuse me for just a moment, if you please.
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July 19th, 2008 at 7:03 pm
You are all a bunch of sick sick crazy people. It scares me to think any one of you has the right to vote!! If this is middle America it is no wonder our country is all fucked up!!
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Hermes Reply:
July 19th, 2008 at 8:44 pm
There’s no need to be obscene, Angeline!
You neglected to make your particular views known on the subject—while painting with a broad brush. There a few that came before you and fought against a rush to judgment.
http://www.amazinggracebaptistchurch.org/bible/biblelookup.php
Give it a whirl, girl!
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July 19th, 2008 at 8:58 pm
did you know that LAP backwards is PAL?
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July 19th, 2008 at 9:20 pm
My, my Apple Pie. That’s one of my favorite deserts for sure. There rally is nothing like just baked, fresh out of the oven, tender lovin’ HOMEMADE APPLE PIE!
Here’s a little something for everyone:
http://www.barackobama.com/2007/05/22/mabus_to_advise_obama_on_middl.php
has the following news item from last year:
Mabus to advise Obama on Middle East issues
The SunHerald | May 22, 2007
By Emily Wagster Pettus
Former Mississippi Gov. Ray Mabus, who served as U.S. ambassador to Saudi Arabia during the Clinton administration, is joining Sen. Barack Obama’s presidential campaign as an unpaid adviser on Middle Eastern issues.
Mabus told The Associated Press on Tuesday that he’ll also travel around the nation to make campaign appearances for the Illinois senator.
“I think that Obama, more than anybody else, has a chance to unify this country,” Mabus said. “This country has been so divided, particularly by this administration, that I think (Obama) is talking about problems in a different way. I think he’s a new voice from a new generation. That’s what America needs now.”
Mabus, now 58, was Mississippi governor from January 1988 to January 1992, serving during a slump in the state’s economy. While supporters praised his efforts to move Mississippi’s schools off the bottom of national rankings, opponents said he left a state budget that was stretched too thin.
Mabus lost his 1991 re-election bid to blunt-spoken contractor Kirk Fordice, who became Mississippi’s first Republican governor since Reconstruction.
Mabus was governor when another young Democrat, Bill Clinton, was governor of Arkansas. After Clinton became president, he appointed Mabus to the ambassadorship. Mabus held the job in Saudi Arabia from 1994-96.
Now, Clinton’s wife, Sen. Hillary Clinton of New York, is running for president.
Asked why he’s not supporting Hillary Clinton, Mabus said: “This is about being for somebody and not about being against anybody.”
Political scientist Marty Wiseman said Mabus, who has been working in private business since returning from the ambassadorship, “may have been out of the limelight a little too long for just the name to contribute much.”
“On the other hand, it doesn’t hurt to have a former ambassador to Saudi Arabia advising on Middle Eastern issues,” said Wiseman, director of Mississippi State University’s John C. Stennis Institute of Government.
Obama campaign spokeswoman Jen Psaki said Mabus will have “a leadership role in the campaign in Mississippi and across the nation.”
Mabus serves on the advisory board for the Center for Middle East Public Policy at the RAND Corporation, a nonprofit research group. He’s also on the board of directors of America-Mideast Educational and Training Services, Inc., a Washington-based nonprofit group designed to strengthen ties among the U.S., the Middle East and north Africa.
Mabus is not the only Mississippi politician to publicly endorse a 2008 presidential candidate.
Republican U.S. Rep. Chip Pickering in February became the Mississippi chairman and Southern co-chairman for the campaign of Sen. John McCain of Arizona. In a news release, Pickering called McCain “a proven leader in national security.”
Gov. Haley Barbour, a former Republican National Committee chairman, has said he’ll wait to endorse a presidential candidate.
Mabus said he does not know whether Obama will make campaign stops in Mississippi, a state that last gave its presidential electoral votes to a Democrat in 1976.
Is this a coincidence? Perhaps it is; perhaps not.
For those that missed it:
http://newworldorderinfo.com/
http://www.hereinreality.com/news/rand.html
http://www.alternet.org/audits/83910/
http://www.thetrumpet.com/index.php?page=book&id=1189
http://www.keyway.ca/htm2000/20000602.htm
These are the websites that best illustrate those that attempt to “orchestrate” our daily lives in grand social and “scientific” experiments to better understand their role in developing “command and control” systems for the good of all that share their common ideals. They make their “heartfelt” appeals for “reason” and “sanity” while vowing to “fight” for whatever appeals to you and me—never mind our progeny. Whatever our reason for wanting to be identified with the “majority” of whatever minority of honest opinion, many in this little group cannot “stand by while others may fry” (presumably in the kind of Hell imagined by those most inclined to send anyone there).
Of course, it is all a matter of opinion as to the nature and identity of the beasts found in the Book of the Revelation of Jesus Christ. There are those that will say the beasts are the one world political and religious systems—offices in the Satanic System of Salvation that are merely “occupied” by various “antichrists” throughout history. There are those that believe the False Prophet and Antichrist must be flesh and blood representatives of all that is most unrepresentative of the Gospel of Christ, and there certainly must be a cunning and ambitious mind behind it all. There occasionally emerges a leader that fires the imagination of men—one that seems to have all the answers. Unfortunately, in today’s celebrity-driven culture, the vultures are never far away—waiting for the day they may feed upon the carcasses of those caught unawares.
The next few months will be interesting indeed I suggest y’all brush up on your current events on the other side of “the Pond”—as the “Brits” call it.
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July 19th, 2008 at 10:57 pm
She is obviously a obama supporter who has fell under his spell. wake up woman he is not a god. and we don’t want to read foul language from atheists, and new age followers. it is scary that you are like so many who will help make this country a weak and fully non democratic country. with all of the talk for change and dismantling of the constitution will make it easy for the antichrist to take power. it is shame that our veterans are seeing where our country is heading. Civil war will happen thanks to you power hungry nuts who think that you are gods and goddesses. with your new age theology and political correct rantings, and racism against those who believe in god and his son. We will be in heaven when you are serving the antichrist. When the battle of armageddon is fought Jesus Christ will put you in your Place which is Hell. Then who will listen to your filthy mouth then.
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DoorFrame Reply:
July 20th, 2008 at 12:11 am
Nobody has said they think that they’re a god or goddess. Where is this coming from?
Same thing here, nobody has mentioned anything even vaguely connected with “new age theology,” whatever that might be.
If you’re referring to my requests that people refrain from open racism, it’s hard to see how anybody could consider that “ranting” or even really a negative. Are you, as a presumed Christian, pro-racism?
That wouldn’t be racism, that’d be idea-ism I guess. Or religion-ism. It’s intolerance towards an idea, not at all connected to race, so it’s certainly not racism.
Uh, well, even in your theory, SOME of you will still be on Earth for the battle, right? What makes you think you’ll be in heaven?
If I were in hell, I suppose the person who would listen to my “filthy” mouth, if it were filthy, which it’s not, would be Satan. Of course, I won’t be in hell, but that’s only a minor quibble, really.
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Hermes Reply:
July 20th, 2008 at 8:10 am
There is no NEW Thing under the SUN
Ecclesiastes 1:3 What profit hath a man of all his labour which he taketh under the sun?
Ecclesiastes 1:9 The thing that hath been, it is that which shall be; and that which is done is that which shall be done: and there is no new thing under the sun.
Ecclesiastes 1:14 I have seen all the works that are done under the sun; and, behold, all is vanity and vexation of spirit.
Ecclesiastes 2:11 Then I looked on all the works that my hands had wrought, and on the labour that I had laboured to do: and, behold, all was vanity and vexation of spirit, and there was no profit under the sun.
Ecclesiastes 2:17 Therefore I hated life; because the work that is wrought under the sun is grievous unto me: for all is vanity and vexation of spirit.
Ecclesiastes 2:18 Yea, I hated all my labour which I had taken under the sun: because I should leave it unto the man that shall be after me.
Ecclesiastes 2:19 And who knoweth whether he shall be a wise man or a fool? yet shall he have rule over all my labour wherein I have laboured, and wherein I have showed myself wise under the sun. This is also vanity.
Ecclesiastes 2:20 Therefore I went about to cause my heart to despair of all the labour which I took under the sun.
Ecclesiastes 2:22 For what hath man of all his labour, and of the vexation of his heart, wherein he hath laboured under the sun?
Ecclesiastes 3:16 And moreover I saw under the sun the place of judgment, that wickedness was there; and the place of righteousness, that iniquity was there.
Ecclesiastes 4:1 So I returned, and considered all the oppressions that are done under the sun: and behold the tears of such as were oppressed, and they had no comforter; and on the side of their oppressors there was power; but they had no comforter.
Ecclesiastes 4:3 Yea, better is he than both they, which hath not yet been, who hath not seen the evil work that is done under the sun.
Ecclesiastes 4:7 Then I returned, and I saw vanity under the sun.
Ecclesiastes 4:15 I considered all the living which walk under the sun, with the second child that shall stand up in his stead.
Ecclesiastes 5:13 There is a sore evil which I have seen under the sun, namely, riches kept for the owners thereof to their hurt.
Ecclesiastes 5:18 Behold that which I have seen: it is good and comely for one to eat and to drink, and to enjoy the good of all his labour that he taketh under the sun all the days of his life, which God giveth him: for it is his portion.
Ecclesiastes 6:1 There is an evil which I have seen under the sun, and it is common among men:
Ecclesiastes 6:12 For who knoweth what is good for man in this life, all the days of his vain life which he spendeth as a shadow? for who can tell a man what shall be after him under the sun?
Ecclesiastes 8:9 All this have I seen, and applied my heart unto every work that is done under the sun: there is a time wherein one man ruleth over another to his own hurt.
Ecclesiastes 8:15 Then I commended mirth, because a man hath no better thing under the sun, than to eat, and to drink, and to be merry: for that shall abide with him of his labour the days of his life, which God giveth him under the sun.
Ecclesiastes 8:17 Then I beheld all the work of God, that a man cannot find out the work that is done under the sun: because though a man labour to seek it out, yet he shall not find it; yea farther; though a wise man think to know it, yet shall he not be able to find it.
Ecclesiastes 9:3 This is an evil among all things that are done under the sun, that there is one event unto all: yea, also the heart of the sons of men is full of evil, and madness is in their heart while they live, and after that they go to the dead.
Ecclesiastes 9:6 Also their love, and their hatred, and their envy, is now perished; neither have they any more a portion for ever in any thing that is done under the sun.
Ecclesiastes 9:9 Live joyfully with the wife whom thou lovest all the days of the life of thy vanity, which he hath given thee under the sun, all the days of thy vanity: for that is thy portion in this life, and in thy labour which thou takest under the sun.
Ecclesiastes 9:11 I returned, and saw under the sun, that the race is not to the swift, nor the battle to the strong, neither yet bread to the wise, nor yet riches to men of understanding, nor yet favour to men of skill; but time and chance happeneth to them all.
Ecclesiastes 9:13 This wisdom have I seen also under the sun, and it seemed great unto me:
Ecclesiastes 10:
1 Dead flies cause the ointment of the apothecary to send forth a stinking savour: so doth a little folly him that is in reputation for wisdom and honour.
2 A wise man’s heart is at his right hand; but a fool’s heart at his left.
3 Yea also, when he that is a fool walketh by the way, his wisdom faileth him, and he saith to every one that he is a fool.
4 If the spirit of the ruler rise up against thee, leave not thy place; for yielding pacifieth great offences.
5 There is an evil which I have seen under the sun, as an error which proceedeth from the ruler:
6 Folly is set in great dignity, and the rich sit in low place.
7 I have seen servants upon horses, and princes walking as servants upon the earth.
8 He that diggeth a pit shall fall into it; and whoso breaketh an hedge, a serpent shall bite him.
9 Whoso removeth stones shall be hurt therewith; and he that cleaveth wood shall be endangered thereby.
10 If the iron be blunt, and he do not whet the edge, then must he put to more strength: but wisdom is profitable to direct.
11 Surely the serpent will bite without enchantment; and a babbler is no better.
12 The words of a wise man’s mouth are gracious; but the lips of a fool will swallow up himself.
13 The beginning of the words of his mouth is foolishness: and the end of his talk is mischievous madness.
14 A fool also is full of words: a man cannot tell what shall be; and what shall be after him, who can tell him?
15 The labour of the foolish wearieth every one of them, because he knoweth not how to go to the city.
16 Woe to thee, O land, when thy king is a child, and thy princes eat in the morning!
17 Blessed art thou, O land, when thy king is the son of nobles, and thy princes eat in due season, for strength, and not for drunkenness!
18 By much slothfulness the building decayeth; and through idleness of the hands the house droppeth through.
19 A feast is made for laughter, and wine maketh merry: but money answereth all things.
20 Curse not the king, no not in thy thought; and curse not the rich in thy bedchamber: for a bird of the air shall carry the voice, and that which hath wings shall tell the matter.
ALL IS RENEWED IN JESUS CHRIST:
Isaiah 48:6 Thou hast heard, see all this; and will not ye declare it? I have showed thee new things from this time, even hidden things, and thou didst not know them.
2 Corinthians 5:17 Therefore if any man be in Christ, he is a new creature: old things are passed away; behold, all things are become new.
Revelation 21:
1 And I saw a new heaven and a new earth: for the first heaven and the first earth were passed away; and there was no more sea.
2 And I John saw the holy city, new Jerusalem, coming down from God out of heaven, prepared as a bride adorned for her husband.
3 And I heard a great voice out of heaven saying, Behold, the tabernacle of God is with men, and he will dwell with them, and they shall be his people, and God himself shall be with them, and be their God.
4 And God shall wipe away all tears from their eyes; and there shall be no more death, neither sorrow, nor crying, neither shall there be any more pain: for the former things are passed away.
5 And he that sat upon the throne said, Behold, I make all things new. And he said unto me, Write: for these words are true and faithful.
6 And he said unto me, It is done. I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the end. I will give unto him that is athirst of the fountain of the water of life freely.
7 He that overcometh shall inherit all things; and I will be his God, and he shall be my son.
8 But the fearful, and unbelieving, and the abominable, and murderers, and whoremongers, and sorcerers, and idolaters, and all liars, shall have their part in the lake which burneth with fire and brimstone: which is the second death.
9 And there came unto me one of the seven angels which had the seven vials full of the seven last plagues, and talked with me, saying, Come hither, I will show thee the bride, the Lamb’s wife.
10 And he carried me away in the spirit to a great and high mountain, and showed me that great city, the holy Jerusalem, descending out of heaven from God,
11 Having the glory of God: and her light was like unto a stone most precious, even like a jasper stone, clear as crystal;
12 And had a wall great and high, and had twelve gates, and at the gates twelve angels, and names written thereon, which are the names of the twelve tribes of the children of Israel:
13 On the east three gates; on the north three gates; on the south three gates; and on the west three gates.
14 And the wall of the city had twelve foundations, and in them the names of the twelve apostles of the Lamb.
15 And he that talked with me had a golden reed to measure the city, and the gates thereof, and the wall thereof.
16 And the city lieth foursquare, and the length is as large as the breadth: and he measured the city with the reed, twelve thousand furlongs. The length and the breadth and the height of it are equal.
17 And he measured the wall thereof, an hundred and forty and four cubits, according to the measure of a man, that is, of the angel.
18 And the building of the wall of it was of jasper: and the city was pure gold, like unto clear glass.
19 And the foundations of the wall of the city were garnished with all manner of precious stones. The first foundation was jasper; the second, sapphire; the third, a chalcedony; the fourth, an emerald;
20 The fifth, sardonyx; the sixth, sardius; the seventh, chrysolyte; the eighth, beryl; the ninth, a topaz; the tenth, a chrysoprasus; the eleventh, a jacinth; the twelfth, an amethyst.
21 And the twelve gates were twelve pearls: every several gate was of one pearl: and the street of the city was pure gold, as it were transparent glass.
22 And I saw no temple therein: for the Lord God Almighty and the Lamb are the temple of it.
23 And the city had no need of the sun, neither of the moon, to shine in it: for the glory of God did lighten it, and the Lamb is the light thereof.
24 And the nations of them which are saved shall walk in the light of it: and the kings of the earth do bring their glory and honour into it.
25 And the gates of it shall not be shut at all by day: for there shall be no night there.
26 And they shall bring the glory and honour of the nations into it.
27 And there shall in no wise enter into it any thing that defileth, neither whatsoever worketh abomination, or maketh a lie: but they which are written in the Lamb’s book of life.
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July 20th, 2008 at 12:26 pm
The blogger above that said OBAMA is not a God! I agree
with this statement! But he sure wants to be a God!!
At least in the future he will!! It’s no telling what this man
will do to the country or to the whole earth if he gets elected
as President of the U.S.A.!!
And the reason that I believe that he (OBAMA) is the Anti-Christ
is because I had a dream about him a while back! And it all points
to him (OBAMA) being the Anti-Christ!
And I don’t mean to sound racist or anything like that but why
would any American person want anyone who has had Muslim
ties and connections to become their President??
Just think about it for a minute! Because the MUSLIMS in the
Middle East could influence OBAMA at any given moment or
even pay him off to turn against our Country (AMERICA)!!
So therefore it is not safe at all for us (Americans) to have
OBAMA as our President!! Because by him having Muslim connections
or ties they (in the MIDDLE EAST) could convince him (OBAMA)
to let them do an attack on America just like they did on the
WORLD TRADE CENTER!
And who is to say that he (OBAMA) want give in to their offer!
P.S….This is called an Inside Job!!
P.S….Money causes people to do evil things!!
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DoorFrame Reply:
July 20th, 2008 at 12:40 pm
Answer: because we don’t hate Muslims.
What exactly do you think are Obama’s Muslim ties?
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Troeltsch Reply:
July 20th, 2008 at 12:56 pm
Apple Pie, do you believe everything you dream?
If I did that I’d have to believe I was falling and then I was in my living room with my parents and my college professor, except it wasn’t my living room, and everybody was wearing jeans and this was somehow significant and then we laughed for no reason at all.
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Walrus or Eggman? Reply:
July 21st, 2008 at 1:44 am
And I’m going to see a giant squirrel sitting on a bench the next time I go to the park. Cool!
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Walrus or Eggman? Reply:
July 21st, 2008 at 1:43 am
If Barack Obama has “Muslim ties” by knowing Muslims or living in a predominantly Muslim country, then by that logic John McCain has Vietnamese ties. As for money causing people to do evil things…I think Cincy McCain already has that kind of money. This Bud’s for you!
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July 20th, 2008 at 1:18 pm
To answer your question above:
The reason that I believe that OBAMA has MUSLIM ties
or connections is because his father and step-father was
a MUSLIM and his mother was married to these men!!
And these two MUSLIM men helped to raise OBAMA and
also OBAMA was sent to a MUSLIM school for a while!
Therefore OBAMA has a MUSLIM background no matter how
we try to ignore this fact!!
And just because you change countries and come live in AMERICA
does not break the ties with the people you once knew!
Because some of these people out in the MIDDLE EAST may
even be related to OBAMA!
Not only that but some of these MIDDLE EAST people may even
be helping to fund his (OBAMA’s) campaign!
I am AMERICAN and born and raised here! But if I move to
CHINA, does that make me UN-AMERICAN or does that make
me break all ties with AMERICANS and drop them??
I seriously doubt it!
Because I think that your roots and your family history and
background always follow you no matter where you live at
or what country you move to!
So its very possible that OBAMA is still loyal to the people
or MUSLIMS out in the MIDDLE EAST!
Its possible that his connection to them makes him feel close
to his father who left him at age two or somewhere I think
around age two!
So if the people in the MIDDLE EAST offer OBAMA a deal
who is to say that OBAMA want take it and turn on AMERICA
and AMERICANS??
So our country (AMERICA) needs to wake up and think more
logical before we elect him (OBAMA) as President!
Not A Racist At All!
Just A Realist!
P.S….Is this an “egotistical” site or is this a site that wants to get
to the truth or to the bottom of these issues about
OBAMA?
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DoorFrame Reply:
July 20th, 2008 at 1:41 pm
Has he actually done anything to make you think he’s anything other than what he claims to be (a Christian American with traditional American interests/values)?
I like that your definition of thinking of this issue “logically” involves relying on no actual facts, but instead relying on conjecture about what his intentions may be because he lived in a foreign country when he eight. Again, has he done anything in his adult life to make you think that what you’re saying is at all accurate?
John McCain was born in Panama. I don’t think we should worry that he’s secretly a Panamanian undercover agent, do you?
Neither.
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TIERNY Reply:
July 21st, 2008 at 12:56 pm
Traditional American Values? What he can’t even pledge the flag, or wear an American pin, which he now wears. Just saying…I am not sure what American Values you honor. But the pledge of Allegiane (to the United States) is as American as let’s say APPLE PIE!
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DoorFrame Reply:
July 21st, 2008 at 1:16 pm
Right, we all wear American pins around every day. Do you wear an American pin? If not, I challenge your values!
The idea that a pin could actually mean anything about your values is ridiculous, and if anything I liked Obama more before he was cowed by the ignorant rhetoric on the matter.
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orlando Reply:
July 20th, 2008 at 2:09 pm
Obama is loyal to humanity, something that seems to escape centrist, ignorant Americans that are the cause of our current standing in the eyes of the civilized and educated citizens of this world.
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Walrus or Eggman? Reply:
July 21st, 2008 at 1:49 am
I know what you mean. My grandmother is from IRELAND and every once in a while I get an irrational urge to petition Congress to make GAELIC the official language of the US.
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July 20th, 2008 at 3:58 pm
Wow.
686 responses.
sheesh.
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July 20th, 2008 at 3:58 pm
or 656 even.
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Walrus or Eggman? Reply:
July 21st, 2008 at 1:49 am
Who will be number 666? Stay tuned, kiddies!
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DoorFrame Reply:
July 21st, 2008 at 10:34 am
There’s a hitch in the numbering system. The number at the top lists all comments, included the nested comments like this one. The numbering on the side only counts unnested comments.
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Mother Reply:
July 21st, 2008 at 3:45 pm
AAAHhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh
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July 20th, 2008 at 10:08 pm
Well we all can say this subject draws the worst out of some. Most of you who seem to think an eight year old trained in a muslim school won’t remeber their training. well the muslim schools for children teach their students to kill jews and christians. That is what the antichrist will do while he is in power. he will all the kill jews and christians during the 7 year tribulation spoke of in bible. So its not what he has done yet but might do if given the power. that is what people on this blog are worried about. So think again about what a muslim will do when they are trained in their impressionable years to be killers of what they call infadels. You can chew on that.
(Uh, well, even in your theory, SOME of you will still be on Earth for the battle, right? What makes you think you’ll be in heaven? )
Jesus will call the Pretribulation Christians to heaven. Then we will come back in the air with jesus to destroy the armies of satan in the battle of
armageddon.
(Obama is loyal to humanity, something that seems to escape centrist, ignorant Americans that are the cause of our current standing in the eyes of the civilized and educated citizens of this world.)
loyal to his own interests
the current standings of this world is caused by people who are against god and serve satan.
Only ignorant people believe a lie
they only want someone to lead them blindly
ignorant people do not read the word of god
civilized people do not teach thier children to kill others
civilized people are those who believe in god
[so you must be ignorant to think that obama is good for this country]
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DoorFrame Reply:
July 20th, 2008 at 10:20 pm
This logic is mindboggling.
Do you think EVERY Muslim school teaches children to kill Jews and Muslims? Do you have any reason to think that Obama’s school in Indonesia was such a school? CNN doesn’t think it was. Are they lying? What do you know that CNN doesn’t?
Do you think Obama, who has been attending a Christian church for more than 20 years does “not read the word of god” or does not “believe in god”? Do you have any evidence of this at all? Has he ever said or done anything to make you believe this?
You have NO reason to believe any of things you say about Obama except that, for a time, he went to a school in Indonesia, and he’s got a funny name. If you can find just one, JUST ONE, fact to back up the idea that he was taught to kill Christians, or is anything but what he claims to be, a church going Christian, then I’ll stop badgering you. But what you’re saying is so dreadfully wrong and so dreadfully devoid of any connections to fact or logic that it’s becoming increasingly exhausting to read it.
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Walrus or Eggman? Reply:
July 21st, 2008 at 1:50 am
To call that logic is extremely charitable of you.
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TIERNY Reply:
July 24th, 2008 at 7:02 am
Yeah, he has been attending a Christian Church filled with racism. Lets talk about that…….
If you sit in the congregation of a hateful racist for 20 years, have him marry you and baptize your children, isn’t it likely that some of that racism will infect you? In Obama’s case, it is much more so since his father deserted him at the age of 2. Then his mother deserted him in his high school years. This was a young, pliable man desperately searching for a father figure, and he found one in Jeremiah Wright. How could that not adversely affect any human being?
“He that walketh with wise men shall be wise: but a companion of fools shall be destroyed [Hebrew, broken]” (Proverbs 13:20). God says we are heavily influenced by our companions. They have a powerful influence on our true success or failure. That fact should be obvious to all of us. In time, the fruits will be clear to everybody.
Matthew 7:16
16 “You will know them by their fruits. Grapes are not gathered from thorn bushes nor figs from thistles, are they? 17 “So every good tree bears good fruit, but the bad tree bears bad fruit.
Here is the evidence you want so badly…..NONE!
There is no evidence that Barack Obama ever challenged one of Jeremiah Wright’s racist, hateful views! Not even one! If Mr. Obama really disagreed with Wright, how could he not speak up? Surely this is directly tied to the leadership potential of this man who would be president. Certainly this reveals some strong insights into his views about race, foreign policy and many other issues.
The race card is going to be played often for political gain! And it is going to cost America dearly. This is not a small problem. We must understand where the race issue is leading us. The end result is going to be worse than anything you imagine.
Most people are fearful of even facing the race issue. But we must, because as Jesus Christ said, only the truth can set us free (John 8:32). •
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orlando Reply:
July 20th, 2008 at 10:24 pm
I think it’s safe to say that your thoughts are as well articulated as they are rational.
I also think it’s hilarious that a person who believes that a deity will eventually decend from the sky will, in the same breath, claim that others are prone to believeing things “blindly”.
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genii Reply:
July 21st, 2008 at 1:39 pm
Well, it was hard to understand that. But nonetheless, there where thousands of theories, many people believed blindly and didn’t believe in. Which later where proven. The earth only went so far, the Earth was flat, No one could ever walk on the moon, and so forth. Just because it hasn’t happen yet, doesn’t mean it can’t.
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orlando Reply:
July 21st, 2008 at 3:51 pm
Are you honestly trying to compare what was once a scientific theory based on evidence and subsequently proven to the ramblings of ancient men who created myths to explain our origins based on nothing but imagination? If I make something up right now about where we came from, for instance, A giant teddy-bear from Jupiter travelled to Earth, spilled honey onto the ground from which we emerged, that doesn’t mean I have a new theory! That’s not what a theory is!
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orlando Reply:
July 22nd, 2008 at 5:48 pm
I noticed that you had written this in an email that I got. For whatever reason I don’t see it here.
Author: genii
Comment:
a theory is (countable) An unproven conjecture.
I have a theory about who broke into the school last night, but I have no proof to back it up. Before you comment on any thing I post, you should look it up.
You’re right as far as common usage is concered. People say it all the time with little or no evidence. Which means that it doesn’t have to be consistant with facts or reality. For instance, I have a theory that the pope is an evil hedgehog.lol A scientific theory is different. A scientific theory is a testable model that can be verified through empirical observation. So again, you cannot compare what people create with there imaginations (weak, common usage theory) to what people learn through observation and the scientific method (sweet, refreshing, logically sound scientific theory!) YAY!
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July 21st, 2008 at 1:52 am
Only 7 more wackos to go! Let the countdown to “Satan’s comment” commence….
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July 21st, 2008 at 8:36 am
Oh Well once again the ignorants come out … Most people do not even know a thing about Obama. I have followed this race which is the most important race since before the civil war. We are on the verge of the greater depression and YOU people need to do some research onto whats really going on in this country. I do not support OBAMA and I never will but I don’t see how He is any worse than the other idiots paraded before us. You people do not even question why his name is on the news every five minutes. Hell even FOX news the so called conservative news station says his name 5 times to stupid mc’cains name every 5 minutes. The media is owned by a small group of ELITES and their interest is not the American peoples interest. Look how the media has brain washed everyone and to be honest if You wanted a good president You would have voted for one of the ones that didn’t make it. I for one hate dems but I think edwards would have been 10X better than whats before us even over the dumb republicans. Look past the lies the media is telling You for once. I will give You some advice if the rich man tells You to do one thing do the opposite and it will be better for You… The dollar is imploding …. Our jobs is going over seas due to trade agreements which CLINTON put into place …. The borders are wide open …. military drills all over the country to impose martial law … Why the hell are they doing urban warfare drills in denver? The government knows whats coming up and they are lulling You people to sleep with bread and circuses… A little bit of advice stock up on food now while You can because there is a BIG shortage and buy You’re self a gun because the hungry masses will come for it………….
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Walrus or Eggman? Reply:
July 21st, 2008 at 10:22 am
How very healthy of you to hate people because of their political party. To hate at all is a waste of time, but to hate people because of their opinions is absurd. Maybe you should kill everyone and clone yourself repeatedly so you’ll be happy.
Interesting coincidence that the government is practicing controlling the DNC convention city.
I’ll stock up on canned fruit. Most hungry Americans will be hunting for chips, beer and spam.
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orlando Reply:
July 21st, 2008 at 11:07 am
Get your tin foil hats everyone! There’s no time to lose!
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July 21st, 2008 at 11:50 am
If the political winds shift or change OBAMA may
side with the MUSLIMS in the MIDDLE EAST!
…And even if the political winds do not shift
or change OBAMA may still side with the MUSLIMS
in the MIDDLE EAST!
So RON PAUL or JOHN McCAIN for President
of the United States!
Or just keep GEORGE BUSH!
At least he want hardly side with the MUSLIMS
in the MIDDLE EAST to destroy America!!
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July 21st, 2008 at 12:08 pm
I can still remember some things that I was
taught in ELEMENTARY SCHOOL between
ages 6 and 10!
So as smart as OBAMA is I’m almost certain
that he also still remembers the things that he was
taught when he attended a MUSLIM SCHOOL!
And not only that, but he had two fathers
that were both MUSLIMS to help refresh
his memory lest he forget!
In other words two MUSLIM fathers that helped
to raise OBAMA had to have had some type of
MUSLIM OR ISLAMIC influence over OBAMA
and probably even as a small child!
And let us not forget that the FATHER is usually
the head of the household and the more dominant
figure because he is the FATHER figure!
So don’t let him (OBAMA) deceive you
about his background!!
And remember the saying: Like Father, Like Son!!
And I think this old saying fits OBAMA’s situation
perfectly! So once again don’t let him (OBAMA)
deceive you!!
Because his sister (MAYA) also has a MUSLIM or
ISLAMIC background too! And they were in the
same family!!
So don’t let him (OBAMA) deceive you!
And I read some place (because I love to read) that
MUSLIMS or ISLAMIC persons believe that mankind was
created from a CLOT OF BLOOD rather that the DUST of the
ground!!
Does not sound like a CHRISTIAN belief to me!
Because it’s not!
What does all the above things have to do with the
ANTI CHRIST?? Well I don’t know but just thought
that I would come by this site and let everyone know
how I felt about this ELECTION and the people in it!!
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DoorFrame Reply:
July 21st, 2008 at 12:18 pm
While I don’t agree with anything you’ve said, you’ve at least used some modicum of logic to back up your assertions, which is better than 99% of the people we’ve run into before, so I applaud that.
I’m still not a big fan of the xenophobia, but we can work on that.
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orlando Reply:
July 21st, 2008 at 12:51 pm
Wait, wait, wait! Obama and his sister were in the same family? no way! HA!
Clot of blood, dust in the ground, both are primitive desert mythologies devoid of logic and reason. What right do you have to claim that yours is correct? You share the same amount of evidence. none!
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DoorFrame Reply:
July 21st, 2008 at 12:52 pm
Hold on, his is in the Bible while the other is presumably in the Koran. One is totally more plausible and based in the real world than the other. Totally.
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orlando Reply:
July 21st, 2008 at 1:01 pm
haha! did you notice how I got sucked back into this. ARGH!
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TIERNY Reply:
July 21st, 2008 at 1:03 pm
I agree 100% with Apple Pie. We all remember things we were taught as children. As I said in a previous post, the most influential time in a child’s life and he can’t remember a thing? Also his pastor spouts anti-american white hatred and he can’t remember any of that either. Sounds like he has memory loss. I don’t think he will work as president, since he can’t remember anything at all. He sounds like Ahmadinejad. He has CRS too. Can’t remember Shi_! Remember, whack job can’t even remember the Holocaust actually happened!
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Walrus or Eggman? Reply:
July 21st, 2008 at 10:00 pm
I don’t recall Obama saying he couldn’t remember the Holocaust happening. When did he and Ahmadinejad become the same person?
I remember what I was taught as a child. I went to private, religious (Christian) schools. I don’t go to church now and I don’t agree with the Moral Majority folks, either. I was raised in a Republican household and my parents thought the Reagan-Bush team was swell. I am an Independent who thinks the R-B administration fuelled the conflict between Iraq and Iran to control their oil production. Just because you remember something doesn’t mean you believe it or embrace it.
It’s a concept called ‘Independent Thought’ and it’s one of things credited in the formation of the United States of America.
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July 21st, 2008 at 1:26 pm
Look I cant say if Obama is the Anti-Christ or not. But what I will say is this. If you don’t believe in Jesus son of God, that’s fine. But don’t post rudest comment’s towards Christians, and the same go’s for Christians. It’s a sin to argue the Bible too people. So don’t do it. Look there maybe a God, and there might not be a God. Some thing’s can’t be proven. That doesn’t mean they exist or don’t exist.
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Walrus or Eggman? Reply:
July 21st, 2008 at 10:19 pm
Why can very few of the Christians that visit this blog spell? Are spelling/grammar and belief in God mutually exclusive?
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July 21st, 2008 at 2:57 pm
Deep down within I believe that OBAMA is at least
two out of three of the items listed below:
1. Anti-America
2. Anti-White People
3. Pro-Terrorist
But can’t figure out if he is two out of three!
Or if he is three out of three!
Now the reaso I say that I believe he is Pro-Terrorist
is because he was friends with or an associate
of WILLIAM AYERS!
Therefore I do not feel that it is safe for AMERICANS to
select him (OBAMA) as the President of the UNITED STATES
of AMERICA!
We really do not know what he and WILLIAM AYERS were
planning or plotting against AMERICA!
Or still planning and plotting against AMERICA!
Do you follow me out there??
Let me clarify something!
I am not a RACIST but just a REALIST
who is concerned about America!
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DoorFrame Reply:
July 21st, 2008 at 3:08 pm
I just realized you made it back, Mister Truthful. You’ve changed your tone/style a little bit, I appreciate that.
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Walrus or Eggman? Reply:
July 21st, 2008 at 10:21 pm
The format and illogic are still there, but thank goodness the caps and rhyming are gone. Well, most of the caps are gone…..
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July 21st, 2008 at 3:47 pm
closing in on the magic number…….
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July 21st, 2008 at 3:56 pm
REPENT!!!!
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Walrus or Eggman? Reply:
July 21st, 2008 at 9:43 pm
Congratulations!
Of course you realize that as the winner of the ‘Satan Spawn’ pageant you will have to travel the world for the next year in a bikini and sash discussing whether or not Barack is the anti-Christ.
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July 21st, 2008 at 3:57 pm
haha! The evil atheist got the 666!! YAY! It means absolutley nothing to me!!! YAY!
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July 21st, 2008 at 6:40 pm
you all are just too funny. I write something funny and you all go nuts. The CNN report on schools in palestine was were i got the cirriculum they teach their students to destroy jews and christians. So who is to say they don’t teach that in indonesia also.
here is something funny-why is jesse jackson calling obama names on a hot mike. then acting like a kid with his hand caught in the cookie jar when called on the carpet about his comments. If he has second thoughts about barak’s policies then what does that say about obama. this whole election is a circus and so is this blog. You all have a crazy saying about anything said here. there is reason for worry in these times and some of you have good arguments. I just love getting you alls panties in a wad just to see what you will say. vote for him or not, but just remember that you will half to live with it. The world has gone nuts, and what iv’e seen in this blog furthers my belief in that.
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DoorFrame Reply:
July 21st, 2008 at 6:47 pm
You sure showed us.
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orlando Reply:
July 21st, 2008 at 7:14 pm
“getting you alls” lol
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Walrus or Eggman? Reply:
July 21st, 2008 at 9:45 pm
Keep laughing…you will ‘half’ to live with it.
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July 21st, 2008 at 8:33 pm
ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha haaaaaaa.
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Walrus or Eggman? Reply:
July 21st, 2008 at 9:45 pm
The insane ones always laugh…
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Walrus or Eggman? Reply:
July 21st, 2008 at 10:12 pm
669….If 6 were 9…Jimi Hendrix
http://youtube.com/watch?v=xylaFXwoQS8
Yeah)
(Sing a song, brother)
If the sun refused to shine,
I don’t mind, I don’t mind.
(Yeah)
If the mountains fell in the sea,
Let it be, it ain’t me.
Got my own world to live through
And I ain’t gonna copy you.
Now, if 6 turned up to be 9,
I don’t mind, I don’t mind.
If all the hippies cut off their hair,
I don’t care, I don’t care.
Did, ‘cos I got my own world to live through
And I ain’t gonna copy you.
White-collar conservatives flashing down the street
Pointing their plastic finger at me.
They’re hoping soon my kind will drop and die,
But I’m gonna wave my freak flag high . . . HIGH!
Hah, hah
Falling mountains just don’t fall on me
Point on mister Buisnessman,
You can’t dress like me.
Nobody know what I’m talking about
I’ve got my own life to live
I’m the one that’s gonna have to die
when it’s time for me to die
So let me live my life the way I want to.
Yeah . . .
Sing on brother,
Play on brother . . .
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July 22nd, 2008 at 7:04 am
There is a man on T.V. named HAL LINDSEY
that gives prophesy about the ANTI/CHRIST
on T.V. on a religious station.
Now he says the ANTI/CHRIST will come out
of ROME! I disagree with him because OBAMA
is not from ROME!
I also read something that said one of the
POPES will be the ANTI/CHRIST. But I
disagree because OBAMA is not a POPE!
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DoorFrame Reply:
July 22nd, 2008 at 7:58 am
That’s extremely backwards of you.
It’s ironic, because I heard the same things and I thought, wow, the anti-Christ can’t be from Rome because Apple Pie/Mister Truthful’s not from Rome. And the anti-Christ can’t be a Pope, because Apple Pie/Mister Truthful’s not a Pope.
It seems that you and I have something in common, we both have perfectly valid and well-founded reasons for not believing two crazy rules about the anti-Christ.
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July 22nd, 2008 at 8:15 am
Hey, it’s not Obama, sorry:
http://www.rumorsdaily.com/2008/07/22/john-hagee-on-the-anti-christ/
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July 22nd, 2008 at 10:01 am
This is what I say because this thought just came
into my brain!
Even if he (OBAMA) was not raised to kill and destroy
CHRISTIANS, JEWS and AMERICANS he could have still
been raised to hate them!
Even if he does not show it right now!
Many MUSLIM or ISLAMIC persons feel that ISRAEL
and/or AMERICA has done them some type of injustice
anyways!
So why not HATE them even if you don’t
kill or destroy them but still treat them (CHRISTIANS,
JEWS and AMERICANS) like your enemy and hold this
in your heart forever until they (CHRISTIANS, JEWS
and AMERICANS) let their guard down!
Then make your move to destroy them when they are
at their weakest point or all time low!
As we notice our ECONOMY is very weak right now
in AMERICA and so is the value of the DOLLAR with
the food price and gas prices being so high!!
Has not AMERICA reached an all time low??
So this is a great time for a FAKE MESSIAH (like OBAMA)
to come and offer PEACE to the world in this time
of trouble and turmoil!
Yes when people are down and out they look to and
look for a MESSIAH!
So smart move by OBAMA to come
on the scene at this particular time when
AMERICA’s ECONOMY is not doing so good right
now and GAS is priced way too high for people to afford it!
In other words AMERICA is weak right now and can
be vulnerable to DESTRUCTION by OBAMA and any
MIDDLE EAST associates that he may have!!
Can also be vulnerable to TERRORIST attacks too!
And this is easy to get done especially when you are
already the PRESIDENT of the U.S.A like OBAMA seems
like he is about to become!!
Lets put on our thinking caps AMERICA!
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DoorFrame Reply:
July 22nd, 2008 at 10:06 am
Say what you will about Mister Truthful/Apple Pie, he does at least tend to spell things properly.
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Troeltsch Reply:
July 22nd, 2008 at 10:25 am
I’m still not into his inability or unwillingness to directly respond to comments. I also still feel bad for what flybird claims he did to her. Oh, also, this is what I say because this thought just came into my head.
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DoorFrame Reply:
July 22nd, 2008 at 10:27 am
He was actually responding to comments a few times when he first started re-posting. We’ll see if it continues. Also we’ll see if he’s able to refrain himself from posting six times a day. If he’s not able to do better this time, he’ll find himself absent again.
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July 22nd, 2008 at 11:21 am
Is Obama the Antichrist? I really don’t know. My denomination teaches that the papacy, as an unholy joining of church and state is the Antichrist, but geez, there is something eerily messianic about the way Obama’s campaign is being run. Pictures released by his campaign are using majestic poses, manipulated colors and backgrounds that look like halos and other religious symbols (some could also be said to resemble “socialist realism”). When was the last time young women fainted in the presence of a presidential candidate? Granted, John McCain makes people keel over from boredom, but still…
The other memory Obama’s campaign evokes is that of a presidential election in a small country in Latin America. There it is common to see dozens of the same portrait of candidates strung over streets and squares. Maybe that’s the direction the Obamists are taking us.
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orlando Reply:
July 22nd, 2008 at 12:05 pm
Obama isn’t the anitchrist because the antichrist is a fictional character!
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July 22nd, 2008 at 11:45 am
Concerning Rev. chapter 13:
The ANTI.CHRIST is not a system but it is
a person!
And I don’t know if he will try to
rule the WHOLE WORLD or not but I do know
that he will try to rule INDIVIDUALS to worship
him or die!
You either do or die when it comes
down to worshipping the ANTI.CHRIST!
And believe me its better to die!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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DoorFrame Reply:
July 22nd, 2008 at 11:49 am
Apple Pie, are you a real person who reads responses and can engage in conversation? I’m speaking directly to you, are you interested in responding?
This is an important question for you to answer.
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July 22nd, 2008 at 12:17 pm
I don’t believe Apple Pie is Mr. Truthful. Mister Truthful was 100% that Obama is the Ac. Apple Pie is saying he has alot of areas where he may be.
FREEDOM
Freedom is thirteen stripes and fifty stars.
A uniform decorated with ribbons and bars.
An Iowa farm with it’s fields of corn.
Church bells ringing ona Sunday morn.
Freedom is overhead missiles, a battle group at sea,
For the price of freedom has NEVER BEEN FREE
It’s marines and soldiers hunkered in a foxhole,
A nation banded togather in a common goal.
Freedom is living and working side by side,
To dare to hope and opportunities tried,
People coming to the aid of a stranger,
Putting their own lives in the path of danger.
Freedom is apple pie and the girl next door,
A small town with a mom and pop store.
It’s baseball, reunions and the Fourth of July,
A lump in our throats as the flag passes by.
Freedom is the compassion we have for our own,
Standing shoulder to shoulder, when disaster hits home.
Our symbol’s the eagle, so let Freedom soar,
It’s principles and standards Americans died for.
Barbara Cox
I know that when I hear the Natinal Anthem (sung correctly), or “p
roud to be an American” I get a lump in my throat.
I know Michelle Obama doesn’t. She said this is the first time in her life that she is “Proud to be an American”. I am proud EVERY DAY!!!
Praise the Lord that I live in America. As of today, it is still the Land of the Free!!!
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DoorFrame Reply:
July 22nd, 2008 at 12:23 pm
I have secret, hidden knowledge. Apple Pie either is Mister Truthful, or is very, very closely related to him.
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Troeltsch Reply:
July 22nd, 2008 at 12:51 pm
What does it mean to be free? Being able to worship Satan or be an atheist or even wear a hijab and be a practicing Muslim and not be effectively barred from small town, middle America, mainstream society? Being able to enter into state-recognized matrimony with one or more adults of your own and/or different gender? Being able to produce and consume mind-altering substances in the comfort of your own home, without harming others? These all sound like expressions of “freedom” and yet they are, de jure or de facto, not allowed in the United States. Do you think they should be, TIERNY? If not, how do you reconcile that with your definition of freedom?
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orlando Reply:
July 22nd, 2008 at 1:20 pm
I am jack’s triggered gag reflex.
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July 22nd, 2008 at 1:13 pm
Have you ever served in the Military? Have you ever put you life in your fellow comrads arms? When our country was set up by our founding fathers, we founded it “In God We Trust”. The Bill of Rights were signed into Law. These basis rights and freedoms were guarantted to all that wanted to be an American Citizen. DUe to the love of money, especially the lawyers, we have twisted the baisc bill into anything we like or don’t like. It is what it is now. Twisted and distorted. However, the mainstream America believes in God. Believes in Freedom for all. Believes in aiding their brother in times of strife. Like 9-11, when many police and firefighters laid down thier lives for others. AS our military does minute by minute. You for one, probably take the blanket of freedom fro granted. I would prefer you just thanked the military and went on your way!
People do not have to reconcile anything with me. It is the Lord they must reconcile with. Stand before their maker on judgement day.
Freedom does not mean no laws or government. Freedom means the right to have religious preferences. We have more religions in the US than any other Country in the World. Freedom to marry the same sex person. Which is why California is burning. Freedom to bear arms (which Obama is trying to take away). Freedom to kill a partial birth abortion baby, which Obama voted for too. These are all Freedoms. LIke it or not. The Forefathers and military fought for these Freedoms. If you don’t like it move to Bejing (if they’ll have you). Just watch out you and your wife or son/daughter don’t have a baby girl, because they will kill her. Or wait, that’s Freedom in China!
I’ll take American Freedom anyday of the week!
I’ll bet you never were in the military either. Where did you go Canada? Too bad we stopped the draft. It made our men and women weak and unpatriotic. It weakened our Country! I’ll say it again, God Bless the USA!
If you have secret hidden knowledge, you just conformed all along what I suspected. This entire site is monitored by ?????? Let me guess
FREEDOM FIGHTERS?? FOR WHO? OBAMA????????????????????????????
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orlando Reply:
July 22nd, 2008 at 1:32 pm
What? You said California’s wild fires are because of gay marriages? LOL
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orlando Reply:
July 22nd, 2008 at 1:40 pm
By the way, yes, I was hired by the Obama campaign to monitor people like you. Eventually the mothership will pick us up (we have access to secret military alien technology) and take us to the worshiping ground where we have orgies and drink the blood of calfs before rectally inserting the koran in each other a praising alah for such flexible colons. All while burning the american flag of course!
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July 22nd, 2008 at 1:29 pm
Founding Fathers (US)
“Question with boldness even the existence of God; because, if there be one, he must more approve of the homage of reason than that of blindfolded fear.” – Thomas Jefferson
“Religions are all alike – founded upon fables and mythologies.” – Thomas Jefferson
“History, I believe, furnishes no example of a priest-ridden people maintaining a free civil government.” – Thomas Jefferson
“In no instance have . . . the churches been guardians of the liberties of the people.” – James Madison
” The divinity of Jesus is made a convenient cover for absurdity.” – John Adams
“Lighthouses are more helpful than churches.” – Benjamin Franklin
* also see the Law and Government section for more
Seperation of Church and State
“…the number, the industry, and the morality of the priesthood, and the devotion of the people, have been manifestly increased by the total separation of the church from the State – James Madison
“Every new and successful example, therefore, of a perfect separation between the ecclesiastical and civil matters, is of importance; and I have no doubt that every new example will succeed, as every past one has done, in showing that religion and Government will both exist in greater purity the less they are mixed together” – James Madison
“Leave the matter of religion to the family altar, the church, and the private schools, supported entirely by private contributions. Keep the church and the state forever separated.” – Ulysses S. Grant
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July 22nd, 2008 at 6:51 pm
FOUNDING FATHER (UNIVERSE)
” LET THERE BE LIGHT ” – GOD (IM GLAD HE DID, IMAGINE NO SUNSHINE)
“LET THE WATERS UNDER THE HEAVENS BE GATHERED INTO ONE PLACE, AND LET THE DRY LAND APPEAR” – GOD (THANK GOODNESS FOR THE SEA I LOVE TO FISH, AND AS FOR THE NECESSITY OF LAND, WELL THAT’S SELF EXPLANATORY)
“THE TIME IS FULFILLED, AND THE KINGDOM OF GOD IS AT HAND. REPENT, AND BELIEVE IN THE GOSPEL.” – JESUS
I THANK OUR FOUNDING FATHERS FOR CREATING OUR GOVERNMENT, WHICH IS PROBABLY BETTER THAN MOST GOVERNMENTS. HOWEVER IT IS STILL NOT FLAWLESS AND NEITHER WERE OUR FOUNDING FATHERS. MY CREATOR IS FLAWLESS HOWEVER, AND IF WE ARE IN THE END TIMES AND THE TRIBULATIONS COME AND YOU FAITHLESS LEMMINGS FOLLOW THE SON OF PERDITION; LORD WILLING I WILL BE A FEARLESS WARRIOR FOR MY GOD AND IF YOU ARE STUPID ENOUGH TO BE AGAINST HIM YOU WILL BE MY ENEMY, I WILL NOT TAKE A MARK, NEITHER WILL MY FAMILY. THEREFORE I WILL BE HUNTED TO DEATH, I FIGURE I MIGHT AS WELL TAKE SOME OF YOU FOOLS WITH ME, ONLY I’LL LIVE HAPPILY EVER AFTER ETERNALLY. I’LL SEND YOU A POSTCARD FROM HEAVEN. carltonnorman23@yahoo
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orlando Reply:
July 22nd, 2008 at 9:13 pm
I’m crying inside for the state of our species.
The depth of your delusion is terrifying.
YOU ARE THREATENING TO KILL PEOPLE.
You and a Jihadist are one in the same.
The only difference is that you believe your holy war has yet to begin.
If it ever does it will be because your paranoia has boiled over and nothing else.
DO YOU HEAR ME! NOTHING ELSE!
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DoorFrame Reply:
July 22nd, 2008 at 10:16 pm
Yeah, well, he’s done here.
Threatening to kill people will get you banned just as much as racism will.
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July 23rd, 2008 at 8:40 am
one more founding father quote:
“Organized religion is a sham and a crutch for weak-minded people who need strength in numbers. It tells people to go out and stick their noses in other people’s business.” — Governor Jesse Ventura (I-MN)
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TIERNY Reply:
July 23rd, 2008 at 12:38 pm
The wrestler, Ha. Why don’t you quote Hulk and his family too!
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July 23rd, 2008 at 9:12 am
http://www.shalomjerusalem.com/heritage/heritage19.html
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DoorFrame Reply:
July 23rd, 2008 at 9:19 am
TIERNY, as this page has gotten extremely long, I’m going to ask that you speak for yourself and not extensively quote from other webpages. If you want people to read the other webpage, simply provide a link. I’ve altered your comment accordingly.
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TIERNY Reply:
July 23rd, 2008 at 10:33 am
Since my comments were edited and omitted, I am providinf this again….
Abraham Lincoln which was not a founding father, but probably one of the Greatest President we ever had:
“I belive the Bible is the BEST GIFT God has ever given to man. All the good of the Savior of the world is communicated to us through the Book”
Abraham Lincoln
It’s not really freedom of speech if your words are twisted and omitted is it?
It’s really not a blog, if your comments are censored and twisted. Why have a blog site, if not to manipulate it.
Why start a blog with this topic if to only manpulate that too!
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Troeltsch Reply:
July 23rd, 2008 at 10:54 am
I don’t remember where this blog promised freedom of speech or freedom from manipulation. This is a privately owned blog serving the needs of the administrator and you should be thankful the administrator lets you post comments at all. At any point should the administrator see fit, s/he could end comments on this thread, ban you, change your words, or whatever. You have NO rights here, explicit or implicit.
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TIERNY Reply:
July 23rd, 2008 at 12:36 pm
I am not going to be thankful to anyone but the Lord Jesus Christ for posting my thoughts!. I still live in the Land of the Free and the Brave. It’s not January 2009 yet! Oh no, ban me. Do you think I would sit around and cry about it. Hardly. The Lord has bigger fish to fry than this ATTROCITY OF A SITE. The Lord has a wonderful path for me and many here that know the Good News, and if I am no longer needed here, I will take off like a Free Bird. Why start a blog, or participate if only to be manipulated and censored. Hey but just wait, soon you’ll have that in everything you do. Obama already has a “crack team” of cybernauts just for this reason. They will censor and twist everything.
WOW, IT’S LIKE THIS ONE WAS WRITTEN JUST FOR YOU!
James 3:17
But the wisdom that is from above is first pure, then peaceful, gentle, reasonable, full of mercy and good fruits, without partiality, and without hypocrisy.
Isn’t this what Flybird was talking about. How someone had changed his words. Or changed anothers words. Or put words in his mouth he never wrote. What a HYPOCRISY!
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DoorFrame Reply:
July 23rd, 2008 at 11:06 am
Tierney, I merely ask that you not post several page long excerpts of someone else’s work. If you’re interested in making those points, either make them in your own words, or provide a link so that others may read them in their original context.
This website is groaning under the length of this thread, there’s no reason to clutter it with lengthy cut and pasted materials that could just as easily, if not more easily, be read from their source.
Also, I think I was pretty reasonable in publicly acknowledging and explaining the alteration I had made. I’m under no obligation to do either.
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orlando Reply:
July 23rd, 2008 at 11:44 am
Doorframe, I’m sorry that i’ve pasted something from a website. I just couldn’t help showing this person how Lincoln really felt about christianity. There are actually a lot more quotes that are not included.
http://www.positiveatheism.org/hist/quotes/lincoln.htm
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DoorFrame Reply:
July 23rd, 2008 at 12:38 pm
Good for the goose, good for the gander.
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orlando Reply:
July 23rd, 2008 at 1:58 pm
neat trick! So does that make me a gander? A virile, potent gander perhaps?
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July 23rd, 2008 at 9:58 am
I am not insane. You obama supporters are. so there!!!!
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DoorFrame Reply:
July 23rd, 2008 at 10:11 am
I haven’t even decided who I’m voting for, I’m just fairly solid on the fact that Obama is not the anti-Christ. I’m pretty sure the vast, vast majority of McCain supporters agree with this fact.
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July 23rd, 2008 at 10:51 am
If OBAMA becomes the Pres. of the U.S.A.
and gas immediately goes up to $6.66 per
gallon,
then maybe people will believe he is
the ANTI/CHRIST!
….And if milk goes up to $6.66 per
gallon,
then maybe people will believe he (OBAMA)
is the ANTI/CHRIST!
This is all I have to say!!
It seems to be that there are more people
on this site that are PRO-OBAMA than
ANTI-OBAMA!
This is really SAD!!
So how about NO-OBAMA!!!!!!!!
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July 23rd, 2008 at 11:57 am
Apple Pie:
I am so disappointed with the tack you have taken in the “great Debate of Whom We Should Hate”. Give US a break—for Heaven’s Sake—and let US hash out the merits and demerits of the issue without your misuse of the Word of God.
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July 23rd, 2008 at 11:58 am
Again, what is good for the goose is not good for the gander. My information posted was just as important as Orlando’s, yet it isn’t anti-christianity, so you felt my post should be deleted with a link. Some of my words could have been excerpted. I see how this is. I have eye to see, unlike all the narrow minded, my way or the highway, or deleted by way!
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Hermes Reply:
July 23rd, 2008 at 12:07 pm
TIERNEY
Give the guy a BREAK and the benefit of the doubt. I may not be the brightest bulb on the “blog”, but I am not so dense that I cannot see how managing this website has to be a BEAR!
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TIERNY Reply:
July 23rd, 2008 at 12:51 pm
OK, It might be a bear, but why delete my words that were very important to my point about out Country was founded on Christianity. However, Orlando, can blog pages of anti-christianity and that is ok? I am sorry, I just don’t see things as neutrally as you do. Again, what’s good for the goose is good for the gander!
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orlando Reply:
July 23rd, 2008 at 2:05 pm
I’m not anti-christianity so much as I’m pro-reason. My wife is Christian actually. She’s just not a ranting, raving, end of the world, jesus is coming, obama is the antichrist kind of person.
“It is far better to grasp the universe as it really is than to persist in delusion, however satisfying and reassuring.”
Carl Sagan
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Troeltsch Reply:
July 23rd, 2008 at 3:49 pm
TIERNY, you have no reason to expect the moderator of this site to be fair or balanced. This is not a public forum or a free medium. It is whatever the administrator of this site wants it to be. If s/he wants to censor you and not others, s/he has that right. Nobody ever claimed this site was neutral or unbiased or that you had any rights at all here. You could even be banned for no reason at all. So could I. So could we all.
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July 23rd, 2008 at 12:08 pm
I cannot continue to engage here due to the biased way the site is set up. Anyone with a clear, factual and concise thought against Obama is chastized for their thoughts. Apparently Door Frame, is the only person with “insight”. If that is what you want to call it.
Our country was set up on Christian Values read the link that Door Frame so kindly supplied instead of the words and commentary I provided.
I will leave you with one more scripture….
Luke 21:36
36 “But keep on the alert at all times, praying that you may have strength to escape all these things that are about to take place, and to stand before the Son of Man.”
God Bless The USA and Israel, We need all the help we can get. Obama will be the next President of the USA. Maybe then him and Michelle will finally be proud to be an American.
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July 23rd, 2008 at 12:27 pm
Yes, you are absolutely REASONABLE! You are under no obligation to do the right thing and say you altered my post becasue it was too long, but said nothing of Orlando’s anti……
Perhaps, the Holy Spirit lead you to do the right thing and publically acknowledge you deleted my post, but allowed others as Orlando, to post their ideas without deletion.
WOW, IT’S LIKE THIS ONE WAS WRITTEN JUST FOR YOU!
James 3:17
But the wisdom that is from above is first pure, then peaceful, gentle, reasonable, full of mercy and good fruits, without partiality, and without hypocrisy.
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July 23rd, 2008 at 1:02 pm
Some think BARACK can change the world!
But I think BLOGGERS can change the world!
So keep on BLOGGING against OBAMA!!
THOUGHT FOR TODAY:
Just because some people can not see
that OBAMA is the ANTI/CHRIST does that
make him not be the ANTI/CHRIST??
And isn’t it better to be SAFE than SORRY later??
And if someone tells you they know for sure
that the ALMIGHTY GOD showed them or told
them that OBAMA is the ANTI/CHRIST shouldn’t
we listen to that person instead of calling them
a LIAR or a SATAN or a DEVIL or a LUCIFER!!
Just because the ALMIGHTY GOD did not tell
you or you or you that OBAMA is the ANTI/CHRIST
does not mean that he is not the ANTI.CHRIST!!
….Because maybe GOD chose not to personally
tell you because he knew that you either wouldn’t
believe it anyways or would not want to believe it
anyways even if it were TRUE!! And it is!!
….So why would the ALMIGHTY GOD waste
time telling you or you or you that OBAMA is
the ANTI/CHRIST for you to just turn around
and call him (GOD) a LIAR!!
So what GOD does is send people along on the
BLOGGS to tell you and you and you that
OBAMA is the ANTI/CHRIST!
Yes the ALMIGHTY GOD sends people along
on the BLOGGS that know beyond a shadow
of a doubt that OBAMA is the ANTI/CHRIST!!
The ALMIGHTY GOD does not send FALSE prophets
but he sends REAL prophets!!
So it would benefit you and you and you
to LISTEN to the people who say they
know for sure beyond a shadow of a Doubt
that OBAMA is the ANTI/CHRIST!!
Because GOD speaks in mysterious ways!!
This makes sense!!
Good sense!!
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orlando Reply:
July 23rd, 2008 at 2:28 pm
Actually, it makes no sense at all. Nothing you are saying can be backed up by a shred of evidence. It’s complete speculation based on late bronze age superstition. It’s fine if you don’t want to support Obama, i don’t care, but ground your arguments in reality, base them on specifics that are tangible and supported by legitimate resources. If you don’t like his foreign policy for example or if you believe we shouldn’t pull out of Iraq…ever. Things like that.
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July 23rd, 2008 at 2:28 pm
I AM SO SICK AND TIRED OF PEOPLE OF EUROPEAN DECENT BEING AFRAID OF THE INTELLIGENT BLACK MAN.WHENEVER THERE IS A MAN OF COLOR,WHO CAN SPEAK BETTER,WRITE BETTER,OR LOOKS BETTER THERE IS ALWAYS AN ISSUE. 1ST HE’S A MUSLEM(NO HE’S BEEN A CHRISTIAN GOING TO THE SAME CHURCH FOR OVER 20 YRS) THEN HE’S A BLACK MILITENT BELIEVING EVERY UGLY THING THAT REV. WRIGHT SAID ABOUT AMERICA(WELL HOW IS THAT WHEN OBAMA HIMSELF WAS RAISED BY HIS WHITE MOTHER AND WHITE GRANDPARENTS AS HIS BLACK FATHER ABANDONED THEM) NOW HE’S THE ANTICHRIST………ARE U SERIOUS LOL.BUT FOR THOSE OF YOU WHO ARE SERIOUS DO ME A FAVOR AND READ YOUR BIBLE,HOW CAN YOU CALL YOURSELVES CHRISTIANS AND NOT READ YOUR BIBLE. IF YOU HAD READ YOUR BIBLE THEN YOU WOULD KNOW THAT BARAK COULDNT POSSIBLY BE THE ANTI-CHRIST BECAUSE THE SCRIPTURES SAY……….1 JOHN 2:22 22 Who is the liar? It is the man who denies that Jesus is the Christ. Such a man is the antichrist—he denies the Father and the Son……OBAMA HAS NEVER SAID SUCH A THING,AND WOULD HAVE TO BE CONSIDERD CRAZY IF HE DID SINCE HE HIMSELF SAYS THAT HE’S A CHRISTIAN(YOU KNOW,USING JESUS AS A PERFECT EXAMPLE OF THE WAY UR SUPPOSED TO LIVE YOUR LIFE)ISNT THAT WHAT A CHRISTIAN DOES LOL….REVELATION 19:11 21 11I saw heaven standing open and there before me was a white horse, whose rider is called Faithful and True. With justice he judges and makes war. 12His eyes are like blazing fire, and on his head are many crowns. He has a name written on him that no one knows but he himself. 13He is dressed in a robe dipped in blood, and his name is the Word of God. 14The armies of heaven were following him, riding on white horses and dressed in fine linen, white and clean. 15Out of his mouth comes a sharp sword with which to strike down the nations. “He will rule them with an iron scepter.”[a] He treads the winepress of the fury of the wrath of God Almighty. 16On his robe and on his thigh he has this name written:
KING OF KINGS AND LORD OF LORDS…….ASK YOURSELVES THIS ? WHO WANTS TO KEEP THE WAR GOING AND WHO WANTS TO BRING THE TROOPS HOME? IM SURE I DON’T HAVE TO ANSWER THAT 1 FOR YOU. I COULD HAVE ADDED SO MUCH MORE OF THE GOOD BOOK,BUT I THINK YOU GUYS SHOULD READ IT FOR YOUSELVES…..LOL…..THE PROBLEM WHITH YOU PEOPLE IS THAT SOME OF YOU WILL NEVER GET PAST THE COLOR OF SOME 1′S SKIN OR SOME 1′S NAME OR GENDER….UYOU PEOPLE DON’T UNDERSTAND THAT THE ONLY COLOR THAT TRULY MATTERS IN THIS COUNTRY IS $GREEN$….I HOPE YOU PEOPLE CAN GET OVER YOUR PREJUDICES AND JUDGE PEOPLE BY THE CONTENT OF THIER CHARECTER INSTEAD OF THE OTHER THINGS THAT DON’T MATTER…..LOL….AND GUESS WHAT,BARAK IS NOT THE ONLY CHARIZMATIC INTELLIGENT BLACK MAN IN AMERICA,SO U GUYS CAN STOP BIENG SCARED…..LOL..(ANY MISPELLED WORDS ARE JUST TYPO’S….LOL)
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July 23rd, 2008 at 4:18 pm
TO ORLANDO:
God is the my proof!
God is my evidence!
Therefore God is the one who backs it up backs up
my statement about OBAMA being the ANTI/CHRIST!
….And he does not need your assistance to do so
and neither did he need your assistance when he created
the moon and the sun and hung the stars in the SKY!!
Why disrespect GOD and call him a LIAR or
his children a LIAR!!
ORLANDO: You are trying to see or not see that OBAMA is or
is not the ANTI-CHRIST through your earthly LOGIC & INTELLECT!
But I am talking about the LOGIC & INTELLECT of GOD!
Because thats who told me that OBAMA was the ANTI/CHRIST!
….And he (GOD) did not have to check with you or get your
permission or approval before he did so!
God speaks to his children with his own VOICE! And your
VOICE has nothing to do with it!!
I happen to know the voice of GOD! Do you??
Well don’t knock down what I know for sure!
Just because GOD does not speak to you and tell
you things with his own supernatural VOICE does not
mean that he does not speak to me and tell me
things with his own supernatural VOICE!!
So stop looking for LOGIC to tell you if OBAMA is the ANTI/CHRIST
or not! And look for the LORD to tell you!
LORD & LOGIC both begin with the letter L. but you are looking
to the wrong one (the wrong L.) to tell you whether or not
OBAMA is the ANTI/CHRIST!!
So try the LORD not the LOGIC!!
Thanks.
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orlando Reply:
July 23rd, 2008 at 9:06 pm
If you are actually hearing voices then I recommend you check yourself into a hospital and let them know you might be schizophrenic. Otherwise you should come to terms with the fact that what you believe you’re hearing is actually years worth of indoctrination messing with you mind.
“LORD & LOGIC both begin with the letter L.” lol Thanks Elmo.
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July 23rd, 2008 at 8:11 pm
Obama is white and black. Not just black. but i guess that is the only thing you can see. The fears have nothing to do with race, but with the security of this democracy. Those of us who have served in the military and us christians will not be silent over anyone or thing that may be the antichrist just because some nut is having a fit over it. WE WILL NOT SUPPORT ANY THREAT TO OUR CONSTITUTION OR OUR WAY OF LIFE NO MATTER WHO IS THE DESTROYER. if he is the antichrist he is well more intelligent than you will ever hope to be. his power comes from satan and he will rule for a period of Seven Years. You better hope jesus calls the church to heaven before he takes power. This man will be 100 times worse than hitler ever dreamed of being. Millions will perish under the antichrists rule (like-the tribulation christians, jews and anyone who will not worship him.) There is no one in this election worth a crap to vote for. maybe we should have place on the ballot that says none of the above. Hell if morgan freeman was running for president that would be good, or condoleesa rice too. colin powell would be a better choice than obama. at least he has an american sounding name. the thing here is that he has muslim name and has questionable background that has most on this site worried. not all on this site are white who have a fear of someone harming this country because of their political agenda. hell jesse jackson has some kind of a problem with obama and got caught on a hot mike calling him names over his policies conserning black families. AND JUST A MATTER OF FACT HE HAS CHANGED HIS POSITION ON WHEN HE WILL BRING THE TROOPS HOME FROM IRAQ SO MANY TIMES ITS GETTING TO BE RIDICULOUS. HE HAS SAID THAT THE WAR IS IN AFGANISTAN AND WE NEED MORE TROOPS THERE. SO WHEN WILL THE WAR END WHEN WE AS A NATION DEFEAT THE TERRORISTS WHO STARTED IT. JUST BECAUSE HE SAYS SOMETHING DOES NOT MEAN HE IS THE GREATEST THING THAT EVER WALKED AND TALKED. BUT SO MANY HAVE FELL UNDER SOME KIND OF SPELL AND BELIEVE EVERYTHING HE SAYS EVEN AFTER HE CHAGES HIS POSITION. HE SAYS ONE THING THEN SAYS WELL THIS IS WHAT I MEANT WHEN CALLED ON THE CARPET ABOUT HIS STATEMENTS. HE CAN BEND THE TRUTH TO HIS LIKING IN A WAY THAT HAS SO MANY DECEIVED. HE HAS THE MEDIA WRAPPED AROUIND HIS FINGER. HE THINKS HE IS RIGHT AND ANYONE ELSE IS WRONG. HE WILL NOT ADMIT THAT THE TROOP SURGE WORKED IN IRAQ EVEN AFTER HE SAID IT WOULD NOT WORK MONTHS AGO. HE HAS MADE STATEMENTS TODAY IN ISRAEL THAT JERUSALEM SHOULD NOT BE A DIVIDED CITY. HE SAID THAT THE PEACE PROCESS WILL NOT HAPPEN QUICKLY BUT THAT THE US SHOULD BROKER THE DEAL. HE SAID IN HIS FIRST TERM IF ELECTED HE WOULD GET THE PEACE PACT STARTED AS SOON AS POSSILBLE. HELL THE ANTICHRIST IS THE ONLY ONE WHO WILL BROKER A PEACE TREATY BETWEEN ISRAEL AND THE ARAB WORLD. THIS IS WHY SOME ON THIS SITE THINK HE IS THE ANTICHRIST!!!!!
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DoorFrame Reply:
July 23rd, 2008 at 8:23 pm
Hey, please don’t use all caps (and no line breaks), it’s hard to read.
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July 24th, 2008 at 2:06 pm
To ORLANDO:
ADAM & EVE in the bible heard the voice of GOD.
MOSES in the bible heard the voice of GOD.
APOSTLE PAUL in the bible heard the voice of GOD.
PROPHET JEREMIAH in the bible heard the voice of GOD.
….And so on and so forth!!
And nothing about this has changed just because
its 2008 or just because you came on the scene!
Because GOD is the same yesterday, today, tomorrow
and forever!!
In other words he (GOD) still speaks to people with
his voice! Sorry you were left out!!
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Crispy M W H C Reply:
July 24th, 2008 at 3:13 pm
…I really, really don’t get how so many people put faith in a book that has so many ommissions. There are many gospels that didn’t “make the cut” to be put in the Bible. Also the fact that they had to make a “New” Testament to cover the mistakes and incongruities of the old one. So, yeah, that kinda kills your theory that your God is the same yesterday, today, tomorrow, forever.
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TIERNY Reply:
July 25th, 2008 at 1:07 pm
Crispy, Crispy, Crispy….The New Testament is just that….the New Good News. It is not to correct mistakes but rather to reinforce and confirm the Old Testament. The Prophets spoke of Jesus Christ, and of the Man of Lawlessness. The books were written to relay the messages of our Lord Jesus Christ! You too may have eternal life Jesus talks about. All you must do is ask the Jesus come to live in your heart. If not, unfortunately, your name will fit you to a CRISPY “T”!
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Crispy M W H C Reply:
July 27th, 2008 at 12:33 am
You should have punctuated the “CRISPY”. It was the point of your joke, after all.
Anyway, it was all decided upon by man. The scriptures, all your little fairy-tales, were made by the hand of man. And therefore, mean nothing. I have an easier time believing The Dark Tower books than the Bible. At least that story isn’t going to have to have a “New” way of telling.
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July 24th, 2008 at 3:55 pm
TO CRISPY:
GOD is the same yesterday, today, tomorrow & forever means:
he will always be GOD and nothing lesser each and every day,
even tomorrow!
In other words, he will not become demoted!!
Did you get that!!
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July 24th, 2008 at 4:15 pm
TO CRISPY:
GOD will never lose his power, his authority,
his rulership, his sovereignty, his strength,
his ability or his greatness!
Therefore he is the same yesterday, today, tomorrow
and forever!!
You are speaking to a BIBLE student!!
And if I tell you something it would benefit you
to LISTEN & LISTEN good!
You probably know your field whatever it may be!
And I know my field (THE BIBLE)!!!!!
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July 24th, 2008 at 5:50 pm
Crispy is what they will call him in hell too. HA ha ha haaaaaaa haaaaaa
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Crispy M W H C Reply:
July 27th, 2008 at 12:30 am
For the sake of argument, that IS what they would call me if there was a Hell for me to be sent to, since that is my actual name. Chris P. =)
But when you die, and there’s no heaven or hell for you to be sent to, I’ll be the one going hahahahaha.
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July 24th, 2008 at 6:11 pm
Those who are fooled by the Antichrist will be left here endure the Tribulation. Those who accept Jesus Christ as their Savior will escape in the Rapture.
But some Christians who do not believe in the Rapture will be left to be representatives of Christ and fight for Him.
Those who do not understand very very soon, they will go through the Tribulation and find out the truth that Jesus is Lord and King.
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July 24th, 2008 at 7:03 pm
Amen gerald. that is what i have been saying all along.
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July 25th, 2008 at 6:43 am
2 Thess 2:3,4, 6-9
3 Let no one in any way deceive you, for it will not come unless the apostasy comes first, and the man of lawlessness is revealed, the son of destruction, 4 who opposes and exalts himself above every so-called god or object of worship, so that he takes his seat in the temple of God, displaying himself as being God. 6 And you know what restrains him now, so that in his time he will be revealed. 7 For the mystery of lawlessness is already at work; only he who now restrains will do so until he is taken out of the way. 8 Then that lawless one will be revealed whom the Lord will slay with the breath of His mouth and bring to an end by the appearance of His coming; 9 that is, the one whose coming is in accord with the activity of Satan, with all power and signs and false wonders.
1 John 22
22 Who is the liar but the one who denies that Jesus is the Christ? This is the antichrist, the one who denies the Father and the Son.
2 Corinthians 13-15
13 For such men are false apostles, deceitful workers, disguising themselves as apostles of Christ. 14 No wonder, for even Satan disguises himself as an angel of light. 15 Therefore it is not surprising if his servants also disguise themselves as servants of righteousness, whose end will be according to their deeds.
Is his likeness a coincidence?
He ventured forth to bring light to the world
The anointed one’s pilgrimage to the Holy Land is a miracle in action – and a blessing to all his faithful followers……
And it came to pass, in the eighth year of the reign of the evil Bush the Younger, when the whole land from the Arabian desert to the shores of the Great Lakes had been laid barren, that a Child appeared in the wilderness.
The Child was blessed in looks and intellect. Scion of a simple family, offspring of a miraculous union, grandson of a typical white person and an African peasant. And yea, as he grew, the Child walked in the path of righteousness, with only the occasional detour into the odd weed and a little blow.
When he was twelve years old, they found him in the temple in the City of Chicago, arguing the finer points …….
And the Persians, who saw all this and were greatly fearful, longed to speak with the Child and saw that the Child was the bringer of peace. At the mention of his name they quickly laid aside their intrigues and beat their uranium swords into civil nuclear energy…….
In Jerusalem and in surrounding Palestine, the Child spake to the Hebrews and the Arabs, as the Scripture had foretold. And in an instant, the lion lay down with the lamb, and the Israelites and Ishmaelites ended their long enmity and lived for ever after in peace.
Is this a mockery of the bible….or is it Life imitating it? This all seems just alittle to coincidental to me.
Barak Obama
“People of Berlin, people of the world, this is our moment. This is our time.”
Is he running for President of the US, or a more global position with the world?
THE ANTICHRIST IS THE ONLY ONE WHO WILL BROKER A PEACE TREATY BETWEEN ISRAEL AND THE ARAB WORLD. THIS IS WHY SOME ON THIS SITE THINK HE IS THE ANTICHRIST!!!!!
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July 25th, 2008 at 11:29 am
TO ORLANDO:
Look at it this way!! There was probably a time that
your MOTHER or FATHER or GRANDPARENTS told you some good advice
and you did not accept it or believe it at the time!
So you did it your way instead of their way!!
But later on you found out that your MOTHER or FATHER or
GRANDPARENTS were right and you probably even
regretted not taking their advice!!
…..And perhaps therefore you had to SUFFER the
consequences for not LISTENING to them and
therefore you had to learn the HARD way
all because you DISPUTED their advice and did it
your own way!!
Same applies for OBAMA!
He is the ANTI-CHRIST!
I’ve been a BIBLE student and BIBLE teacher
and if I tell you something you can look for it!
….Because I know my field very very well!!
…..And my field is the BIBLE!
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July 25th, 2008 at 11:39 am
TO ORLANDO:
1 Corinthians 2:14 says:
But the NATURAL man receiveth not the things of
the Spirit of GOD: for they are FOOLISHNESS unto him:
Neither can he KNOW them, because they are SPIRITUALLY
DISCERNED!!
P.S…..Like I said earlier your LOGIC can’t be able
to see that OBAMA is the Anti-Christ!!
So get pass that!!
Because it takes the LORD (not LOGIC) to be
able to see that OBAMA is the ANTI/CHRIST!
And the above SCRIPTURE proves this!!
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July 25th, 2008 at 1:19 pm
TO CRISPY:
Do you not know that the reason that some of the BOOKS
did not make it to the BIBLE is because those are the BOOKS
that SATAN had tampered with and these BOOKS did not
line up with the rest of the BIBLE so therefore they
were INTENTIONALLY deleted!!
And do you not know that the reason for the NEW TESTAMENT
was not to cover up any mistakes of the OLD TESTAMENT, but it
was because in the OLD TESTAMENTS BULLS, GOATS OR RAMS
had to die for the SINS of people!!
But those same people would still go back and sin again because
the BLOOD OF ANIMALS was not strong or pure enough to
wash away the SINS of the people!!
So therefore the NEW TESTAMENT came along because
JESUS CHRIST came along and done away with the BLOOD
of ANIMALS dying for the SINS of people, but he (JESUS)
gave his own BODY to die for people’s SINS!
THEREFORE this is why its called the NEW TESTAMENT!!
Singned: I was a BIBLE student and a BIBLE teacher!
So Listen because I know my FIELD!
And my FIELD is the BIBLE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Crispy M W H C Reply:
July 25th, 2008 at 5:27 pm
Ohhhh boy.
I’ll take this in the usual format.
AP: TO CRISPY:
Yay =)
AP: Do you not know that the reason that some of the BOOKS
did not make it to the BIBLE is because those are the BOOKS
that SATAN had tampered with and these BOOKS did not
line up with the rest of the BIBLE so therefore they
were INTENTIONALLY deleted!!
No, the reason that these books didn’t make it into the Bible is because many of them contradicted those that were put in the book. Read the Gnostic gospels and the gospel of Judas. And since “Satan” didn’t exist until the creation of Christianity, I very much doubt that he tampered with the Bible.
AP: And do you not know that the reason for the NEW TESTAMENT
was not to cover up any mistakes of the OLD TESTAMENT, but it
was because in the OLD TESTAMENTS BULLS, GOATS OR RAMS
had to die for the SINS of people!!
Right. Mistakes. Animal sacrifice played a role in the pagan religions that were around during Christianity’s rise. Certain appeasments were made to make the forced conversions more transitional. Simple as that. Egyptian sun disk became the halos of saints and angels, animals were sacrificed to an angry and vengeful God figure. And furthermore, I find the fact that the “Binding Word of the Lord” can be edited, changed, and even completely redone in a “New Testament” to be a further proof of this being a completely (not to mention poorly done) man-made religion.
AP: But those same people would still go back and sin again because
the BLOOD OF ANIMALS was not strong or pure enough to
wash away the SINS of the people!!
People go to confession and “repent” their sins, and go out an do them again. Sounds like the new way is just as flawed as the old, minus the animal killing.
AP: So therefore the NEW TESTAMENT came along because
JESUS CHRIST came along and done away with the BLOOD
of ANIMALS dying for the SINS of people, but he (JESUS)
gave his own BODY to die for people’s SINS!
Quote from Wiki.
“The development of the New Testament canon was, like that of the Old Testament, a gradual process. According to the Catholic Encyclopedia article on the Canon of the New Testament:
‘The idea of a complete and clear-cut canon of the New Testament existing from the beginning, that is from Apostolic times, has no foundation in history. The Canon of the New Testament, like that of the Old, is the result of a development, of a process at once stimulated by disputes with doubters, both within and without the Church, and retarded by certain obscurities and natural hesitations, and which did not reach its final term until the dogmatic definition of the Tridentine Council.’”
“The Council of Trent was the 19th Ecumenical Council of the Roman Catholic Church. Considered one of the Church’s most important[1] councils, it convened in Trent between December 13, 1545, and December 4, 1563 in twenty-five sessions for three periods. Council fathers met for the first through eighth sessions in Trent (1545-1547), for the ninth through eleventh sessions in Bologna (1547) during the pontificate of Pope Paul III. [2] Under Pope Julius III, the council met in Trent (1551-1552) for the twelfth through sixteenth sessions. Under Pope Pius IV the seventeenth through twenty-fifth sessions took place in Trent (1559-1563).”
Ok, so Jesus didn’t just come along and say “HAY GUYS, L00K AT MAI NEW TESTAMENTS!” They were decided by old men, surrounded by the opulance that organized religion seems to have a very strong hold on, around a millenium and a half LATER. And something would tell me that a Bible teacher should be aware of these facts.
AP: THEREFORE this is why its called the NEW TESTAMENT!!
Yeah, I understand the concept of the word NEW.
Singned: I was a BIBLE student and a BIBLE teacher!
So Listen because I know my FIELD!
And my FIELD is the BIBLE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
If you know your field like you say, you’d have know the above, and not bothered to post.
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Libby Reply:
July 26th, 2008 at 8:01 pm
Just to let you know, Wikipedia and its related sites are discouraged from use in most academic communities due to its propensity for providing incorrect information. Most anyone can edit the content you see there, and very little of the information is ever peer-reviewed for accuracy. Next time you’d like to make use of a quote, find a reputable source.
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Libby Reply:
July 26th, 2008 at 8:03 pm
I failed to mention in my previous reply that I do agree with much of what you’re saying; however, given the frequency with which people seem to doubt the ability of Christains to possess any form of intelligence, we should be extra vigilant to be absolutely sure that we are conveying the correct information. Sorry if I sounded at all terse; that wasn’t my intention. :-)
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Crispy M W H C Reply:
July 27th, 2008 at 11:52 am
It’s ok. I crosschecked with the links provided, and all of the proofs can be found in the Catholic Encyclopedia, of all places. =) So it should be right, unless they can’t keep their own facts together either.
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July 25th, 2008 at 5:30 pm
Apple Pie:
Which translation of the Bible do you use? There are so many of them around.
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July 25th, 2008 at 10:13 pm
We all have too have faith in what god has given us in his word. The bible was written by men who received the words to write from god. But in those days most of the books were handed down by word of mouth. The books may have had stuff added or omitted from gods intended writings. People have a tendency to over time to change a story. So the interpretation of the bilble should only come from god not man. The early church decided what books were to be in the bilble, due to what they perceived to fit there religious agenda at that time. So the question all of us has is what can we call the true word of god. only god gives us the true meaning of what we read, and to believe what is written by the holy spirits guidance. No one can say what is the real interpretation of bible prophecy. Everyone here has an opinion on what the bible says. But no one has the right to judge anyone’s faith in the word of god. If someone has a revelation about something and believes god spoke to them. then they had a experience they want to share with others that can only be tested one way. if the voice speaking to them does not deny christ as the son of god then it was heavenly in nature and could even be god after all speaking. we should not be in a contest on who is better at the bible. We should not be fighting but testing the spirits who we wrestle with each day over what is true and what is deception. If you ask what is testing you do you believe in christ and is he the son of god. You will get an answer right away. If the demonic spirit is bothering you all you have to do is rebuke it in the name of the lord the father, lord the son, and lord the holy spirit and it will leave you alone. but you have to have faith in christ for this to work. the unsaved cannot rebuke the devil because they do not have the protection of god. so therfore if you have strong faith in god. God will speak to you heart and guide you. But you have to test the spirits and make sure it is based on what god shows you through your faith. Jesus is lord and saviour and that is a fact. Repent of your sins, believe jesus died for you, ask jesus to save you and cleanse you of your sins. then sin no more and god will call you to heaven in the rapture, and you will not half to deal with the antichrist god will. Read all the supposed books that were not included in the bible and let god guide you if those written words are his or not, and even the one’s that are included also. Those of you without sin cast the first stone. But all sin even atheists. The antichrist will be revealed shortly before god calls out the church to heaven. Get ready for his return and be faithful even unto the end and thou shalt receive a crown of life and be with jesus for eternity. I’m praying for his soon return and so should you all. Look to the eastern sky and be ready at all times.
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DoorFrame Reply:
July 25th, 2008 at 10:44 pm
The EASTERN sky?!? Oh, man, that’s what I’ve been doing wrong.
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July 26th, 2008 at 12:36 am
DF, as a technical note: the new ability to post replies to individual comments is creating a lot of confusion, with people responding to comments from 6 months ago. i keep having to bounce up and down the thread to read what these idiots are saying!
wait, why am i reading what idiots are saying? oooh, i HATE my OCD!
but i love the anti-christ!
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July 26th, 2008 at 6:42 am
TO CRISPY:
I do not care what WIKIPEDIA says and you shouldn’t either!
For it is GOD that makes the SUN to rise not WIKIPEDIA!
And it is GOD who makes the rain to come down and water
the FLOWERS & CROPS!!
And GOD was around way before WIKIPEDIA was ever around!
And you best believe it!!
Now you say ANIMALS were used for SACRAFICE during
PAGAN religion times or during the rising of PAGAN religion times!
Well FOOD was also around during those times too but guess
what, we still EAT it today don’t we??
And WATER was also around during those times too but guess
what, we still DRINK it today don’t we??
As a matter of FACT, I drank some (WATER) this morning!!
And by the way there is not to many things that has LIVING BREATH
in it besides MAN & ANIMALS!
So just what else was GOD supposed to use to die for
a SACRAFICE for Mankinds SINS back then??
BABY DOLLS or STUFFED ANIMALS or TEDDY BEARS!!
Sorry but they have no LIFE OR BREATH in them therefore could
not be used!! OKAY CRISPY!!!!!!!!!
…..And as far as the COMMENT you made about people CONFESSING
their SINS back then, I hope you meant CONFESSING them to GOD
and not a MORTAL MAN!! Because MORTAL MAN can’t do a thing
for you at the END of the WORLD!!
…….FROM someone who was a BIBLE student & BIBLE teacher!
And I know my FIELD (the BIBLE)!!
P.S………Its a SAD day when someone (even CRISPY) has to look
to WIKIPEDIA to explain BIBLICAL or SPIRITUAL things to him
instead of the BIBLE explaining it!!
P.S……..I heard a COMMENT on the NEWS last night about WIKIPEDIA
and think they were saying that (WIKIPEDIA) was
UNRELIABLE!!!!!!!!!!!
So Try the BIBLE next time!!
And you’ll be BETTER off!!!!!
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Crispy M W H C Reply:
July 26th, 2008 at 2:19 pm
Honstely, lolz.
AP: I do not care what WIKIPEDIA says and you shouldn’t either!
A sentiment shared by many, both relgious and non-religious.
But now we’re going to get into a list of the things that “God did/does”, and that’s where the sense stops.
AP: For it is GOD that makes the SUN to rise not WIKIPEDIA!
Annnnd here we go. Your right, it’s not Wikipedia. It’s called the Earth’s rotation. It spins. The side the sun is shining on is having daytime. Jesus, for being a bible teacher, you sure forgot 3rd grade science class.
AP: And it is GOD who makes the rain to come down and water
the FLOWERS & CROPS!!
Again, grade schoolers know that the sun evaporates the water, it condenses into clouds and eventually get’s heavy enough to turn back into water and become rain.
AP: And GOD was around way before WIKIPEDIA was ever around!
And you best believe it!!
I don’t believe it. Simple as that. See, Wiki exists. Whereas God doesn’t. Anywho…
AP: Now you say ANIMALS were used for SACRAFICE during
PAGAN religion times or during the rising of PAGAN religion times!
I believe what I said was that animals were used for sacrafice during the rise of Christianity, because Pagan religion pre-dates it by ranges of a few hundred to a few thousand years.
AP: Well FOOD was also around during those times too but guess
what, we still EAT it today don’t we??
Eating is needed. Blood sacrifice to an invisible man in the sky? Less than so.
AP: And WATER was also around during those times too but guess
what, we still DRINK it today don’t we??
As a matter of FACT, I drank some (WATER) this morning!!
Good to see that all this rhetoric you’ve had jammed down your throat hasn’t taken away your basic ability to swallow.
AP: And by the way there is not to many things that has LIVING BREATH
in it besides MAN & ANIMALS!
Except for the expansive range of bacteria, insects, plant life… They may breathe in different ways, but they are alive. Not too many? There are BILLIONS of examples. Look outside. Each individual blade of grass, trees, bushes, bugs, birds.
AP: So just what else was GOD supposed to use to die for
a SACRAFICE for Mankinds SINS back then??
Uh, how about common sense and an apology to the one sinned against?
AP: BABY DOLLS or STUFFED ANIMALS or TEDDY BEARS!!
Sorry but they have no LIFE OR BREATH in them therefore could
not be used!! OKAY CRISPY!!!!!!!!!
Taking life to absolve your own petty feelings of sin? Sounds pretty selfish to me.
AP: …..And as far as the COMMENT you made about people CONFESSING
their SINS back then, I hope you meant CONFESSING them to GOD
and not a MORTAL MAN!! Because MORTAL MAN can’t do a thing
for you at the END of the WORLD!!
But supposedly the mortal men who make up the Catholic Church are the only approved conduit to your God. Confession is supposed to work. You do your Hail Mary’s and your other prayers, and He forgives you, through the priest in the booth.
AP: …….FROM someone who was a BIBLE student & BIBLE teacher!
And I know my FIELD (the BIBLE)!!
But apparently not 3rd-4th grade science.
AP: P.S………Its a SAD day when someone (even CRISPY) has to look
to WIKIPEDIA to explain BIBLICAL or SPIRITUAL things to him
instead of the BIBLE explaining it!!
Ouch. Even me. You know, if you read, that quote on Wiki actually came directly from the Catholic Encyclopedia. So I’m sorry if your own religion can’t keep it’s facts together well enough for you.
AP: P.S……..I heard a COMMENT on the NEWS last night about WIKIPEDIA
and think they were saying that (WIKIPEDIA) was
UNRELIABLE!!!!!!!!!!!
No more unreliabale than that fairy-tale you’ve wasted your time studying.
So Try the BIBLE next time!!
And you’ll be BETTER off!!!!!
Since I don’t wish to forget everything I learned in real school, I think I’ll pass.
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July 26th, 2008 at 8:46 am
“For as the lightning cometh out of the east, and shineth even unto the west; so shall also the coming of the Son of man be.” Matthew 24:27
So we christians look for what jesus had told us to look for at his return.
The first part of his second coming is what we call the rapture.
“For the lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of god: and the dead in Christ shall rise first:
Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the lord”
1 Thessalonians 3:16,17
“In a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trump: for the trumpet shall sound, and the dead shall be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed.” 1 Corinthians 15:52
Read Matthew chapters 24,25 and read what Jesus said about his return and what we need to be doing at his return.
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July 26th, 2008 at 9:31 am
Apple Pie, T-REX, Please! Where is this magical translation of the Bible that gives you such insight that you might “hear” (in your mind’s ear) the Word of God? Personally, I prefer the King James Version.
Assuming that you have proven your point of a Rapture before the end–here is what you may expect before that Last Trump:
Revelation 11
1 And there was given me a reed like unto a rod: and the angel stood, saying, Rise, and measure the temple of God, and the altar, and them that worship therein.
2 But the court which is without the temple leave out, and measure it not; for it is given unto the Gentiles: and the holy city shall they tread under foot forty and two months.
3 And I will give power unto my two witnesses, and they shall prophesy a thousand two hundred and threescore days, clothed in sackcloth.
4 These are the two olive trees, and the two candlesticks standing before the God of the earth.
5 And if any man will hurt them, fire proceedeth out of their mouth, and devoureth their enemies: and if any man will hurt them, he must in this manner be killed.
6 These have power to shut heaven, that it rain not in the days of their prophecy: and have power over waters to turn them to blood, and to smite the earth with all plagues, as often as they will.
7 And when they shall have finished their testimony, the beast that ascendeth out of the bottomless pit shall make war against them, and shall overcome them, and kill them.
8 And their dead bodies shall lie in the street of the great city, which spiritually is called Sodom and Egypt, where also our Lord was crucified.
9 And they of the people and kindreds and tongues and nations shall see their dead bodies three days and an half, and shall not suffer their dead bodies to be put in graves.
10 And they that dwell upon the earth shall rejoice over them, and make merry, and shall send gifts one to another; because these two prophets tormented them that dwelt on the earth.
11 And after three days and an half the Spirit of life from God entered into them, and they stood upon their feet; and great fear fell upon them which saw them.
12 And they heard a great voice from heaven saying unto them, Come up hither. And they ascended up to heaven in a cloud; and their enemies beheld them.
13 And the same hour was there a great earthquake, and the tenth part of the city fell, and in the earthquake were slain of men seven thousand: and the remnant were affrighted, and gave glory to the God of heaven.
14 The second woe is past; and, behold, the third woe cometh quickly.
The Last Trump
15 And the seventh angel sounded; and there were great voices in heaven, saying, The kingdoms of this world are become the kingdoms of our Lord, and of his Christ; and he shall reign for ever and ever.
16 And the four and twenty elders, which sat before God on their seats, fell upon their faces, and worshipped God,
17 Saying, We give thee thanks, O Lord God Almighty, which art, and wast, and art to come; because thou hast taken to thee thy great power, and hast reigned.
18 And the nations were angry, and thy wrath is come, and the time of the dead, that they should be judged, and that thou shouldest give reward unto thy servants the prophets, and to the saints, and them that fear thy name, small and great; and shouldest destroy them which destroy the earth.
19 And the temple of God was opened in heaven, and there was seen in his temple the ark of his testament: and there were lightnings, and voices, and thunderings, and an earthquake, and great hail.
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July 26th, 2008 at 10:23 am
Hello everybody I am APPLE PIE!
And I read and prefer the KING JAMES version of the BIBLE!
I will also used the AMPLIFIED version to back up what I read!!
But I also especially use LOTS of old-fashioned PRAYER to help
me to understand fully what I read!!
….and if I pray and pray hard. GOD will tell me the meaning
and the deeper meaning of what I read!
…and this is called AWESOME!!!!!!!
Try it!!!!!!!!!
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July 26th, 2008 at 11:16 am
TO WALRUS OR EGGMAN:
Even if OBAMA did not go to MUSLIM school
(but he did) & even if he does not have MUSLIM
beliefs or MUSLIM ideas or MUSLIM behavior:
SO WHAT??
That doesn’t make him not be the ANTI/CHRIST!!
f I skip SCHOOL for a week does that make me
not be a STUDENT!!
No it doesn’t!! I AM still a student but just did
not Attend CLASSES that weak!!
So my advice to you is to STOP adopting your own
CHARACTERISTICS that you think the ANTI/CHRIST will
have and stop eliminating the CHARACTERISTICS that
you think that he will not have!!
But check that thing called the BIBLE to find out
the CHARACTERISTICS that he (THE ANTI/CHRIST)
will have so you want be confused or deceived
like you are!!
QUESTION: Who are you to determine the CHARACTERISTICS
of the ANTI/CHRIST??
I mean who gave you that TITLE??
GOD sure didn’t!!
Is this the DENSE BLOGG??
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July 26th, 2008 at 11:23 am
GOD begins with a CAPITOL “G”.
but their seems to be some small “g” gods on this BLOGG
that are trying to know more than the CAPITOL “G” GOD does!!
Yes these small (g) gods are trying to PICK & SELECT the
ANTI-CHRIST themselves as if they are picking a LOTTERY
number or something!
ADVICE: You & I can not pick or select the ANTI/CHRIST that
will come into the world!
THATS what the BIBLE is for!!
ONCE AGAIN!! Is this the DENSE BLOGG!!
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Crispy M W H C Reply:
July 26th, 2008 at 2:25 pm
I’m glad your grasp of three letter words (like God) hasn’t escaped you.
But blog only has one ‘g’.
kthxbai.
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July 26th, 2008 at 1:16 pm
Apple Pie:
You seem to be lost in a DENSE FOG! You see, but darkly; then judge so starkly. Do you believe that those that win the “Name the Antichrist” Sweepstakes will garner some special consideration on Judgment Day?
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July 26th, 2008 at 7:12 pm
I read the king james version of the bible. I Know the difference between God and Satan voices. I have experienced many things in my life that has shown me there is a God and Satan. I have studied prophecy since i was 9 years old. my grandfather was a baptist preacher who showed me bible verses that talked about the end times. I have been watching and waiting for the lords return.
The world is ripe for the rise of the antichrist. economy gone mad, morals of this nation flushed down the toilet with same sex marriage, abortion, pornography, pedophiles running rampant, murder, banks corrupt, oil companies raping the working man, new age movements, corrupt judges, and a political system that is corrupt. The world is at turmoil from war, genocide, nuclear proliferation, terrorism, global warming, and self serving leaders who care less about thier own people’s problems.
People are looking for a messiah to solve these problems. It seems some think Obama is just the one to bring about major change in the world. So if some think he is the antichrist. After what he has said in Israel, Berlin Germany, Paris France, and London England leads many to further believe he is the antichrist.
I will not vote for him. I will keep witnessing to the lost and hoping they will except the lord Jesus as their saviour before it is to late.
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July 26th, 2008 at 7:28 pm
hermes you must not believe that god can speak to your heart and that is sad. You must open your heart to him and he will speak to you. God moves in mysterious ways and does speak to those who are listening for him. Also if you read the king james version you would have seen the verses I posted was from the king james version of the bible. Also i do not use magic to understand gods word, i pray to him for guidance. Quit making it sound like I’m some religious nut who does not know bible prophecy. I know the verses you post and have an understanding of them. I do not need you thumping me and apple pie on our beliefs or giving us lessons on the bible. I am not an expert on the bible and neither are you so give it a rest!!!
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Crispy M W H C Reply:
July 27th, 2008 at 12:00 pm
You may be right about you, but Apple Pie claims to be a Bible teacher. She should be able to defend him/herself.
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July 27th, 2008 at 8:47 am
What is your point? Mine has ALWAYS been that no one is the Antichrist yet. There are many contenders, and Obama seems to be the leading candidate for the highest office in the land of the “free to be me” and the home of the “brave new worlders”. There are other lands we hear little about in our little cocoon of consumer goods made in China.
God has spoken to my heart for a very long time, and it pains me to see the hyperbole—not to mention the spurious “connections” that some people have put forward as “proof”.
It should be obvious by now that politics and religion do not mix any better than the anointing oil of God’s forgiveness and Satan’s watered-down Gospel of a false “messiah” of hope for a human solution to spiritual problems. It doesn’t take a genius or a prophet to see where we are headed; some of us have been warning of this day for a long time. But the insanity of vanity has led many astray in frantically looking forward to the Day of the Lord. Anyone can say, “Thus saith the Lord”. And just about any Christian will admit to believing:
1. We ARE in the LAST DAYS!
2. Someone will be the Antichrist.
3. He must precede the return of Christ.
This is my core belief:
Philippians 2:10-11
That at the name of Jesus every knee should bow, of things in heaven, and things in earth, and things under the earth;
And that every tongue should confess that Jesus Christ is Lord, to the glory of God the Father.
John 3:16
For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.
Acts 4:12
Neither is there salvation in any other: for there is none other name under heaven given among men, whereby we must be saved.
Frankly, I stopped voting for the candidate of either major party 20 years ago. Both Democrats and Republicans—as well as Liberals and Conservatives—are controlled by the big money it takes to run a campaign at the national level. I now try to determine who else may be running that might deserve my vote—sort of a pro-active version of “none of the above”.
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July 27th, 2008 at 12:06 pm
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